And don't forget the beer!
Those of us who live on the border can do pickups, then mail them by CP.
The situation may be getting worse.
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And don't forget the beer!
Those of us who live on the border can do pickups, then mail them by CP.
And don't forget the beer!
Those of us who live on the border can do pickups, then mail them by CP.
If it comes to that, I'd be all down for that. We could become the Underground Railroad of vaping. I can't exactly do pickups myself (no car) but I'd sign up for the service.
Abstracted.
We have universal healthcare, everyone pays taxes to support it, so "everyone" (represented by the government in this case), thinks they can tell everyone else what they can put in their bodys and what risks are acceptable, so all users get no more or less than their share of healthcare.
It also has no way of opting out of it so you can do whatever the heck you want with your own body and in response pay for it your own way, hence I'm forced at gunpoint to do what I'm told is best for me.
This situation extends in to most areas of our government system ad nauseum.
That's slavery in my book.
Again it's more abstraction than point in this case, frustration just occaisonaly bleeds through the vault.
EDIT : Of course this is lacking a much better option atm, with a few mil other corners of the earth open up, still have to push the boulder up the hill for a while longer here for that tho.
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I don't look at it as slavery. I prefer to use an army unit as an analogy: sure *one* person can sprint out ahead, and you can leave people behind - but you'll end up finishing in a worse position than a group that works and stays together and makes sure that those who are having trouble are keeping up.
If HC wants some regulation on the nicotine juice, I'm ok with that - they get the same with cigarettes. I'm even ok with taxes being collected on the juice. A ban, though, seems *really* far-reaching, esp. with the presence of things like the nicorette inhaler being available.
If HC wants some regulation on the nicotine juice, I'm ok with that - they get the same with cigarettes. I'm even ok with taxes being collected on the juice. A ban, though, seems *really* far-reaching, esp. with the presence of things like the nicorette inhaler being available.
This happens with any healthcare system or form of healthcare insurance.
Try collecting benefits in any system if you're a tobacco user who specifically stated that they don't smoke.
Plus "sin" taxes are collected in just about every system of government that involves capitalism.
Rachel, you said".............I'm sure some of our suppliers are thinking: "Hey, I don't know how to propose alternatives to HC. I'm just trying to sell a product!" Relax. There are experienced, skilled people ready & willing to help our industry make the right changes that it needs to make. People that will make the changes as affordable & uniform as possible, too. Canadian suppliers: you're not alone. Significant help is at hand..."
Everything you wrote was right on Rachel. I think that most of us sit back waiting to "see how the cards fall" and I wholeheartedly agree that if vendors don't band together to create an Association of some sort to give credibility, we users are simply "preaching to the choir" here.
Who are the people that can help organize our approach and how do we get existing Canadian vendors involved asap?
Everything you wrote was right on Rachel. I think that most of us sit back waiting to "see how the cards fall" and I wholeheartedly agree that if vendors don't band together to create an Association of some sort to give credibility, we users are simply "preaching to the choir" here.
Who are the people that can help organize our approach and how do we get existing Canadian vendors involved asap?
Hi Motivaper!
Since you are a supplier, I'll contact you with more information shortly. The details re: who's specifically involved & how this is all gonna go down are really on a need-to-know basis right now. Only our suppliers, and the specific folks who want to help organize all this & make it work smoothly, need to know. I'm not a supplier, but I am involved in an official capacity with the folks that want to help our vendors get down to the business of doing what needs to be done.
Happy vaping & you'll hear from me shortly!
Hi Motivaper!Thanks for the kind post. I agree with you!
Since you are a supplier, I'll contact you with more information shortly. The details re: who's specifically involved & how this is all gonna go down are really on a need-to-know basis right now. Only our suppliers, and the specific folks who want to help organize all this & make it work smoothly, need to know. I'm not a supplier, but I am involved in an official capacity with the folks that want to help our vendors get down to the business of doing what needs to be done.
Happy vaping & you'll hear from me shortly!
Ooh, I hope we can get something serious started here. Thank you for wrangling this together. This is what we need, and now is when we need it more than ever.
Can someone please explain to me what that Facebook page is all about? All I see is a bunch of drama Queen's flapping their guns senselessly. Please tell me there is more to this that what I have been privy to read
I don't know what Rachel knows yet, but suspect it should also be visible in the parts of the forum where vendors will see it, and hopefully reach out to find out more about how they can help us, help them, get where we all want to go!
Hi Motivaper!Thanks for the kind post. I agree with you!
Since you are a supplier, I'll contact you with more information shortly. The details re: who's specifically involved & how this is all gonna go down are really on a need-to-know basis right now. Only our suppliers, and the specific folks who want to help organize all this & make it work smoothly, need to know. I'm not a supplier, but I am involved in an official capacity with the folks that want to help our vendors get down to the business of doing what needs to be done.
Happy vaping & you'll hear from me shortly!
I call BS on the entire post. If ya wanna rally the troops then do it in public!!! The Brits didn't hide in the closet while doing this. Step up with an action plan or forever hold your peace. Spikey is goign down in flames, are you next? Stop with all the secrecy and innuendo. you want support then provide us with a syllabus that is worthy of our attention. If not continue your fight in the closet, and while your at it provide the Americans with your infinite wisdom on what they should do with their government.
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...what part of "need-to-know" is it that you don't comprehend? Unless you need to know the details...you will not be made privy to them! Everyone who needs to know the details (i.e. our Canadian suppliers, and the specific professionals who are working with them on this)...is privy to them (or will be made privy to them promptly, on request).
If I'm not sharing something with all of ECF, it's because the people that are actually involved in this have directed me to not make those details public. My position obligates me to abide by their direction.
I realize no one likes sitting outside & wondering what's going on inside. That's human curiosity. But everything that I'm allowed to share publicly on this topic...was shared in post #13 of this thread, page 2. Details beyond that are limited to the parties involved, and are being shared regularly with those parties.
Sorry if you don't like that. You can call it BS till the cows come home. But the people involved know it's not BS. And many vapers read my earlier post, and saw the sense in what I was saying. They know that what I've said isn't BS either.
Do you agree or disagree that the industry needs to act to resolve this regulatory situation? Are you concerned over the apparent new direction that HC has given to Customs? My point is: please do us all a favour & kindly cease trying to derail the thread with your personal attacks on me & snide little comments about me. This thread is about the regulatory situation in Canada and HC's crackdowns.
...what part of "need-to-know" is it that you don't comprehend? Unless you need to know the details...you will not be made privy to them! Everyone who needs to know the details (i.e. our Canadian suppliers, and the specific professionals who are working with them on this)...is privy to them (or will be made privy to them promptly, on request).
If I'm not sharing something with all of ECF, it's because the people that are actually involved in this have directed me to not make those details public. My position obligates me to abide by their direction.
I realize no one likes sitting outside & wondering what's going on inside. That's human curiosity. But everything that I'm allowed to share publicly on this topic...was shared in post #13 of this thread, page 2. Details beyond that are limited to the parties involved, and are being shared regularly with those parties.
Sorry if you don't like that. You can call it BS till the cows come home. But the people involved know it's not BS. And many vapers read my earlier post, and saw the sense in what I was saying. They know that what I've said isn't BS either.
Do you agree or disagree that the industry needs to act to resolve this regulatory situation? Are you concerned over the apparent new direction that HC has given to Customs? My point is: please do us all a favour & kindly cease trying to derail the thread with your personal attacks on me & snide little comments about me. This thread is about the regulatory situation in Canada and HC's crackdowns.
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so well said and yes there is many of us that want to get in on that! we all going to contribute to it. where do i sign up Rachel?
Hi Saby!
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