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Bloog is only a distributor - however, Leaford works for Bloog in China, is responsible for product development and has, to my understanding, created a line of product that is PROPRIETARY to Bloog. In other words, what Bloog sells here in the States comes from a single manufacturer (Chinese) and is only distributed by Bloog. The reason why the Bloog is so different than all other KR808D-1 compatible product is that it was redesigned from the ground up based on Leaford's engineering recommendations.

Thanks that's what I wanted to know.
 

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Mabe it is this time...mabe not but I doubt a Chinese manufacturer would only sell product to one small supplier.

Or that stuff isn't rampantly copied in China.

Do the Bloog autos suffer from failure due to juice leaking in like other autos? Are there any autos that don't? I'm definitely interested in trying out some Bloog cartos but I don't want to take a chance on an auto battery that could be killed at any time due to a bit of leakage.

I'd also like to be sure that the Bloog cartos are consistently the same Ohm. I've read a bunch about quality control problems in the bloog forum relating to carto consistency, but it seems they're working that out.
 

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Hey All - just checking in on the thread. To draw a comparison between Bloog and V4L - IMHO, the Bloog MaxX reigns supreme, hands down. With that said, I used V4L product, and other rebranded KR8 product from a number of other vendors. The KR8 is what got me off the choke sticks, the MaxX sealed the deal.

Bloog is only a distributor - however, Leaford works for Bloog in China, is responsible for product development and has, to my understanding, created a line of product that is PROPRIETARY to Bloog. In other words, what Bloog sells here in the States comes from a single manufacturer (Chinese) and is only distributed by Bloog. The reason why the Bloog is so different than all other KR808D-1 compatible product is that it was redesigned from the ground up based on Leaford's engineering recommendations.

My guess is that V4L, after losing Leaford and watching the unprecedented success of the MaxX line - is trying very hard to catch up to MaxX tech - and I do believe they are playing hard to catch up. I have not tried the diamond line with the "bejeweled" bottoms, but, knowing that it took Leaford at least a year of engineering, development, testing and QA to release the MaxX - I would be hard pressed to think that V4L would have anything even remotely similar to the Bloog only 2 months after the release of MaxX line.

Now, on to cartos - Leaford designed the WOW cartos - and yes, I agree, they were good - but absolutely fall short of the newly redesigned MaxX cartos - I mean, by at least 300% to 400% improvement in quality, reliability, vapor production, taste -the updated Bloog tech is so vastly superior to the V4L stuff - from personal, first hand, side by side experience - that I won't be going back to V4L, at least not in the near future.

One of the other issues I have with BOTH Bloog and with V4L - is that their juice is Dekang - which is good, high quality, pharma-grade product, but, it is Dekang 100% PG - I've grown to love an 80/20 or 70/30 PG/VG mix which is ultimately smoother without losing the TH.

I don't know what else I can do to compare these two products. I am now currently a Bloog user, and will be for a very, very long time. And, with even more advancements I hear are in the works at Bloog - I can say that this product line is only going to get better, and better, and better...

Thanks for that PapaB.... That answers my questions for now. I have shelved my tank for the Maxx...

As for the juice... I've been refilling the cartos with my own 80/20 mix with great results...!
 

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Do the Bloog autos suffer from failure due to juice leaking in like other autos?

Yes, they do. Just be carefull.
One of the first maxxfusion reviewers made the mistake of refilling a carto with the battery attached.
You know what the result was, but that wasn't very... clever anyway.
Just take it off the battery and don't carry around an assembled unit battery side down with a freshly filled carto.
 

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Do the Bloog autos suffer from failure due to juice leaking in like other autos? Are there any autos that don't? I'm definitely interested in trying out some Bloog cartos but I don't want to take a chance on an auto battery that could be killed at any time due to a bit of leakage.

I've had my MaxX for almost 3 months now - I learnt as a newb the proper care and feeding of cartos from the plethra of data acquired from the digital universe - well enough to know that you don't top off a carto with the auto batt attached. I have personally never fried an auto 808 from any vendor - much like I don't throw a car into reverse without first depressing the brake pedal which, apparently was an issue with some 'auto' users and why the manufacturers had to put something into place that forced the user to depress the brake pre-shift... ;-)

I'd also like to be sure that the Bloog cartos are consistently the same Ohm. I've read a bunch about quality control problems in the bloog forum relating to carto consistency, but it seems they're working that out.

I have personally used over 35 MaxX cartos - both prefilled and blank - and have never had any issues that other users have claimed to have had - I am still using the SAME cartos I got on my first order - these dang things just don't quit. With that said though, I am beginning to suspect that there may be something in the choice of juice used.

Bloog uses Dekang - which is 100%PG - us American-type folks find that the 100% PG is a tad too harsh (at least in my case) - Given that all of the testing was conducted using DK juice ONLY, there may be something to the PG/VG blend ratio that may cause these cartos (and any 'other' carto') to have issues. I found that a 70/30 PG/VG blend works really well - but, for those that use higher VG blends - this may be the cause of some of the reported symptoms. VG is generally a thicker juice that does not appear to absorb into the polyfill as well as the higher PG. I think it would behoove you to stick with a maximum of 30% VG...

However, apparently, there was a minor issue that I certain has been worked on, or has already be rectified with regards to the ohm variances reported. I dunno - I have only had total success with this product - not to say that there could have been a bad batch that went out, it's possible - just that I haven't come across any.
 
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Yes, they do. Just be carefull.
One of the first maxxfusion reviewers made the mistake of refilling a carto with the battery attached.
You know what the result was, but that wasn't very... clever anyway.
Just take it off the battery and don't carry around an assembled unit battery side down with a freshly filled carto.

That pretty much settles it for me. I'm too used to filling cartos on the battery. Force of habit at this point. I'll probably just wait for the manual. No biggie, I never use autos anyway and use a fatbatt Ego most of the time anyway.

Probably try the cartos at some point or another. I find if you wait on a new product in the ecig biz they tend to work out a lot of the kinks after releasing it.
 

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Is this the new 808 bloog is coming out with or the older model that you guys are talking about.. The new one is a manual an auto and a PCC.

The maxx fusion is the maxxfusion.. The new trithing will get its own name. Its not an update on the MF, but its own seperate device..

IT is a manual, auto and PT, and if I win it'll be the TMX!
 

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just fyi for others, its been pretty well proven that the first round of blanks for the maxx were all over the map (2-3+ohms) but most were within the range. i just received some blanks from the latest restocking and spot tested about 15 out of the 25 last night... 2.4-2.6 like advertised. i did get one 2.8 but they are fairly consistent now. filled up 5 of them with different juices and been testing them today, all of them hit and taste fine.
 
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Quick question. Does anyone know why the prefilled does not have the little rubber stopper in it, and the blanks do? And what's the purpose for it?

to keep the pre-filled liquid from leaking out of the batt end and to keep the atty clear. no liquid in the blanks so they are not needed.
 
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