The Ultimate Vision Mod

[Mindfield]

Don't get me wrong, I thought the Visions were decent out of the box. But they just didn't perform anywhere near I thought they were capable of or where I wanted them to be. I tried a mod a couple of weeks ago just to open it up a bit more but it wasn't enough for me. So finally I took the knife to my Visions to do what I really wanted to do all along: No cup seal. Just the mouthpiece. Know what? It's awesome now.

Here are the gory details on what I did. Works on Vision Deux and should work fine on the Vision Extreme as well. (I don't have any to test that on yet though but they look pretty much the same except for the new plastic which is easier to cut through.)

 

[vapspaz]

Great minds think alike. LOL I took a different approach the other day and had drawn up the same concept but used the dimensions off an E2. I agree that the current Visions are great and are nearly perfect but as we all know little tweaks and enhancements are always needed and I think our concepts would/will be the next evolution for these great little carto's. Making the mouth piece and cup seal integral simplifies everything. This concept could be taken even further by having a standard cup seal that would snap into either a whistle tip style or a common drip tip style mouth piece. Thus making everyone happy for their choice of mouth piece.

Hoping Bad and Chris are taking notes.

Great vid btw.

 

[Mindfield]

Great minds think alike. LOL I took a different approach the other day and had drawn up the same concept but used the dimensions off an E2. I agree that the current Visions are great and are nearly perfect but as we all know little tweaks and enhancements are always needed and I think our concepts would/will be the next evolution for these great little carto's. Making the mouth piece and cup seal integral simplifies everything. This concept could be taken even further by having a standard cup seal that would snap into either a whistle tip style or a common drip tip style mouth piece. Thus making everyone happy for their choice of mouth piece.

Hoping Bad and Chris are taking notes.

Indeed -- your diagram looks like an ideal design for these. My problem has always been, as I say in the video, that the more crap you throw in the way of the vapor, the more attenuated the vapor will be on all counts -- vapor production, flavour and TH will all suffer because vapor is condensing on surfaces all over the place en route to your mouth. The ideal setup for me is one with no obstructions between the coil and your mouth, no material in or over the cup at all, and just enough material to form a seal to prevent juice from leaking into the cup.

Because of the Vision's particular design it seemed the best way to do that was simply to shorten the tube and enlarge the hole in the mouthpiece to just fit over the outside of the cup, so that's what I did here, and it works exceptionally well and even eliminates most of the leaking I got with the original design. (I probably would have been able to eliminate all of the leaking if I had a 1/4" punch to make a neater hole.) If this method could be integrated into the next version of the Vision right from the factory, I daresay we'd likely have the best and most effective CE2 experience ever, right out of the box.

Great vid btw.

Thanks! Glad you liked it. If nothing else it pretty much proves your version will work just as well.

 

[vapspaz]

Indeed -- that the more crap you throw in the way of the vapor, the more attenuated the vapor will be on all counts -- vapor production, flavour and TH will all suffer because vapor is condensing on surfaces all over the place en route to your mouth.

(I probably would have been able to eliminate all of the leaking if I had a 1/4" punch to make a neater hole.)

Thanks! Glad you liked it. If nothing else it pretty much proves your version will work just as well.

Agreed 100% on the obstructions. That's why I had put that note in the drawing. The bigger the better but in actuality the I.D. of the ceramic cup is 4.5mm so a small .5mm rim around the top wont effect this restriction concern we have. But if the final design didn't have this small rim it wouldn't hurt my feelings any. lol

As for a 1/4" punch. I just did your mod and I just used the end of a cheep mechanical pencil (the metal cap part that covers the eraser) and put it into the inside of the cup seal (self aligned) and pushed down on it. It cut a perfect hole but a little small. In my drawing it's hard to see but I have a small chamfer around the inside cup seal end to help with alignment and make it easier to push onto and around the "off-center" ceramic cup. After making your mod I can see that a larger chamfer would be needed. But I can honestly say that for the first time since I've been using these Visions that I can lay it down on it's side and have no leaks so far. And the flavor is off the friggin hook!

 

[monarch79]

I agree with the "less is more" concept when it comes to seals and mouthpieces...

That's why I like the Fluxos with donut and drip tip, it's just a straight shot from the coil to my vape-hole... I do really like the Visions, but I just wish there was less hullabaloo on the top end... I really like the increase in diameter over the standard CE2, the reduction in length, the cup seal doesn't leak (for me) at all, and it's easy to fill... I also just gained new respect for them after doing a cleaning, it was a breeze. I just put a Fluxo tube between the cup and Vision tube to prevent the Vision tube from melting, dry burned the wicks dry, and the coils clean... It took a little more dry burning to get the wicks dry before the coil started to clean itself, but whatev, it was easy.

If the cup-to-mouthpiece tube were wider, and the mouthpeice was more like a drip tip instead of a condesation trap, I would be stoked. With the standard DT design, any condensation usually just runs back down into the cup and onto the wick. I don't ever have gurgle-tube with my Fluxos, so I don't see trapping the condensation as a necessity. Has anybody tried an eGo-B DT or an 801 DT with these by chance?

These are almost perfect, not just good. But that's just my:

 

[Mindfield]

Agreed 100% on the obstructions. That's why I had put that note in the drawing. The bigger the better but in actuality the I.D. of the ceramic cup is 4.5mm so a small .5mm rim around the top wont effect this restriction concern we have. But if the final design didn't have this small rim it wouldn't hurt my feelings any. lol

Yeah, the chamfer is a good idea, and I actually wanted to do that with mine, but I don't have the tools to make one, so I just settled for fitting the mouthpiece over the cup to make a seal.

As for a 1/4" punch. I just did your mod and I just used the end of a cheep mechanical pencil (the metal cap part that covers the eraser) and put it into the inside of the cup seal (self aligned) and pushed down on it. It cut a perfect hole but a little small. In my drawing it's hard to see but I have a small chamfer around the inside cup seal end to help with alignment and make it easier to push onto and around the "off-center" ceramic cup. After making your mod I can see that a larger chamfer would be needed. But I can honestly say that for the first time since I've been using these Visions that I can lay it down on it's side and have no leaks so far. And the flavor is off the friggin hook!

I kept looking everywhere for something that might be able to make a hole the proper diameter but nothing that I had would have done the trick, and I didn't have the $25 I'd have needed to get the punch set they have over at the fabric store near where I live. Next time. Nevertheelss opening up the Vision definitely improved every aspect of it, from the warmth of vapor to its volume, plus far better TH and flavour. With this mod these are on par with my favourite (also modded) Fluxomizers now, just with a larger capacity for my favourite juices.

Glad to hear it worked out well for you!

How, how do we go about nudging Chris and Bad to talk to the manufacturers about making up some Vision Ultimates like this?

 

[krazynavybiker]

It Bad gets this into production I'll order 100 of them the day they drop. Well maybe not 100 but I'll grab enough to be set for a 8 month deployment.


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[vapspaz]

Here ya go Mindfield and Monarch!

I opened the cup seal so there is no restriction and also increased the chamfer size. And just for Monarch I sketched up a nice little drip tip option. lol What can I say I'm a nice guy and just want you to be happy.

How, how do we go about nudging Chris and Bad to talk to the manufacturers about making up some Vision Ultimates like this?

Edit: If Chris and Bad decide they want to pursue these tweaks I'm guessing the final product wont be available for some time. They probably need to justify the current tooling by running the current design for a while. But for the standard current Whistle tip design the only tooling required is to modify or make a new tool for the seal. The mouthpiece stays the same minus all the bridges they have in them. Just a guess but the tooling for the seal couldn't be very expensive and just look at all the other crap that is eliminated.

This is all up to the GV boys. It's their game not ours. But with that said, I know they are always open for suggestions because as they have stated before, They want to improve the vapping industry. And god knows they have many times over already!

 

[monarch79]

I like it! I'll take a case!


The only problem that I see is getting a consistent tube/cup length... The mouthpiece of the current Vision can accommodate for any irregularities in the tube/cup/seal by having the long cup-seal-tube slide into the mouthpiece. That leaves a lot of room for error. With your design (which is perfect) the measurements would have to be pretty exact to prevent leakage... If there were a drip tip wide enough to use on the Vision, and the cup-seal-tube was wide enough to fit snugly into the mouthpiece from the bottom, we would have a winner for sure. And I would get nice comfortable delrin or acrylic instead of whistle tip madness! Doesn't anybody have an ego-B or 801 DT to try out in the Vision?

 

[Mindfield]

That's what I'd love to see made, right there. Drip tip and all. No B-type drip tips on my end though, just standard 510s and a couple of cone atty drip tips.

The integrated cup seal/mouthpiece design can have a certain margin for error built in in the form of the seal that goes around the outside of the cup. As long as it's a 1/4" ID it can, if necessary, have slots cut out for the wicks so that you have a little room for play in the height of the tube. The important part is that the seal around the cup not be made too tight or it runs the risk of yanking the CE2 guts up with it every time you replace the mouthpiece. That would have an extremely low tolerance. I'm sure the design can be refined and perfected to allow for certain tolerances in certain areas, but the important part is that as long as a clear path can be made from the cup to your mouth for the vapor to travel while still sealing the cup off from the rest of the tank, we'd have a total winner.

 

[vapspaz]

The way I have sketched it out there is nearly 1.5mm of overlap (tolerance) of the seal and the cup. From what I have seen on the tube lengths they don't vary more than a few thousands of an inch. If it were an issue simple QC would take care of that. The big variance however that I see is the ability of the cup itself to slide up and down on the metal air tube. This would defiantly need to be addressed because I have had them move more than this 1.5mm overlap.

 

[monarch79]

I tend to pull the whole cup apparatus up a bit before I pop on my mouthpiece, which pushes it back down a bit assuring the least possible space between cup seal and mouthpiece.

 

[vapspaz]

Yup but that's because we are tweakers. lol The regular Joe and Jane shmoes don't/shouldn't need to worry about these little things. Turn key baby! Turn key! Or plug and play for the computer geeks out there.


Speaking of which. For everyone reading this thread please understand that the new Visions are working pretty darn good (best I've ever seen) and all our talk in here is due to our tweaking (can't leave it alone) nature. As good as these new puppy's are, there is always room for improvement. GV has done an outstanding job bringing us the best there is in the vapping world. Hell... If I were to design and build my own carto I'd be tearing it apart and tweaking it every time I sent myself a new batch.

Damn... I'm having flashbacks to the monster E2 thread from a year ago. lol

 

[Mindfield]

The way I have sketched it out there is nearly 1.5mm of overlap (tolerance) of the seal and the cup. From what I have seen on the tube lengths they don't vary more than a few thousands of an inch. If it were an issue simple QC would take care of that. The big variance however that I see is the ability of the cup itself to slide up and down on the metal air tube. This would defiantly need to be addressed because I have had them move more than this 1.5mm overlap.

Yeah, that's one of two problems I've experienced with just about every CE2:

1. CE2 post and attached center positive connector slide up and down in the insulator at the base (needs to be secured better or with less malleable material)
2. Cup and heat shrink tubing can slide up and down the CE2 tube. (Cup needs to be attached to the CE2 tube with more than just the heat shrink tubing holding it in place)

I only found this on a few of them so far but from that sampling (of about 35 or so) the odds of it happening are still statistically significant.

However, this is an issue with the CE2 assembly in general, not the Vision or Fluxomizers specifically.

 

[monarch79]

Yeah, these are working very well as is, but how did they get that way?

Tweakers!

Bad knows, he's an OG tweaker.

 

[vapspaz]

LOL yup! Bad was one of the main guys in "THE E2" thread. Him and Br.

 

[robl45]

How is this not going to leak? There are slots in the cup, its going to leak through the slots and into the mouth piece. Maybe with vg juice it won't, but pg is going to go right through.

 

[Mindfield]

How is this not going to leak? There are slots in the cup, its going to leak through the slots and into the mouth piece. Maybe with vg juice it won't, but pg is going to go right through.

The wick occupies the slots and soaks up the juice.

 

[vapspaz]

Sure would like to hear Bad's take on this ider. Good or bad. No pun intended.

 

[Mindfield]

You 'n me both. I think it's perfectly viable on a mass production scale and possibly a cheaper, to boot.