The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage - Part 2

[tearose50]

Actually, I'm from the school that says the reverse. Protected IC (Li-ion) best for the mechanical devices, as they have no protection otherwise. High Drains (IMRs) for some more sophisticated devices like the Provari and Kick Module as the mechanics need the output ratings and both have protection in the unit itself.

And, yes, the IMR's have safer chemistry which is a big plus and many very experienced and advanced vapors adore them for various reasons.

Last I checked, provari and evolv only recommended IMR's for their devices.

I haven't done all the research to see how the Panasonic Hybrid chemistry fits into this analogy. It could very well be that Protected IC's will be outdated as new innovations are made in the battery world. We also now have the 2cent circuit, which is a very nice safety addition.

It's great that Super T has those charts.

There are always opposing opinions. So -- study up --- ready some stickys on batteries -- and make your own decisions.

 

[tearose50]

Swody -- no! Not at the end of the atty. That's important not to mess with.

It's a little thin ring that sits as the end of the threads up next to the casing. I'll try and find a picture.

 

[swoody]

Well, it's a good thing I wasn't very determined to get that sucker off Just looking at it, I didn't think that would be causing any issue.

 

[Racehorse]

Actually, I'm from the school that says the reverse. Protected IC (Li-ion) best for the mechanical devices, as they have no protection otherwise. High Drains (IMRs) for some more sophisticated devices like the Provari and Kick Module as the mechanics need the output ratings and both have protection in the unit itself.

And, yes, the IMR's have safer chemistry which is a big plus and many very experienced and advanced vapors adore them for various reasons.

Last I checked, provari and evolv only recommended IMR's for their devices.

I haven't done all the research to see how the Panasonic Hybrid chemistry fits into this analogy. It could very well be that Protected IC's will be outdated as new innovations are made in the battery world. We also now have the 2cent circuit, which is a very nice safety addition.

It's great that Super T has those charts.

There are always opposing opinions. So -- study up --- ready some stickys on batteries -- and make your own decisions.

I don't care a WHOLE lot about sophistication but about safety. What are the batts that come wtih the ModXL? That way I can research. Also plan on using a fuse, so ..........

 

[iowajosh]

I'm still getting a nice, burnt taste out of mine. I decided to start over fresh again, washed and dried my atty, primed it with 6 drops, waited a few minutes, dripped another 3 drops, waited another minute or two, put it back on the vmod, sqonked the crud out of it, gave it a couple dry pulls, and it still comes up really harsh and dry. I'm getting a feeling this might be a dud or something. After a few easy tokes, I sqonked it until it leaked out the drip tip, and it barely made any noticeable improvement. Before I even purchased the XL I did some research and came across this thread and the guidelines everyone has been posting, so I was familiar with the method before I even had the XL in hand.

The o-ring you guys are referring to, I can see it on the end of the atty, but it seems to only provide 1mm or so of space before the post would seat against the pv's connector. I tried pulling at it with my fingernail, but it's in there really well. Have you guys been using pins or needles to remove it?

Either way, I've had good luck with the Cisco atties I've had in the past, and there may be an HH357 in my mailbox tomorrow

If this is that little washer on the bottom of the vapage atomizer, throw it away.

I just leave the vmod standing upright and flood the coil with juice a time or two and let it sit for a few minutes. The extra juice runs back into the bottle. I've had a few times when I could not get it primed by squeezing the bottle.

 

[tearose50]

I don't care a WHOLE lot about sophistication but about safety. What are the batts that come wtih the ModXL? That way I can research. Also plan on using a fuse, so ..........

The Vapage batteries I have are Protected Li-ion. They say ICR 18650 2200 MAH 3.7V. They are blue and are not re-wrapped with a Vapage logo as my smaller 14500's are.

They perform very well and tested out better than other cheaper brands (...fires) and almost up to AW standards, according to Vapage.

Beyond that I can't say. I don't have access to Vapage's warehouse to see if their stock have Vapage Branding or what is written on them. I do trust vapage to print accurate data on the batteries.

This is what the site says:

"We love protected batteries, and we love our new Vapage 18650 protected battery. We worked with a top secret factory to develope a protected 18650 that works better! What we developed is a 18650 3.7v 2200mah protected battery that has a longer power curve than regular 18650’s and gives good consistent power. It’s our version of the best that's on the market today. 18650 3.7V 2200mAh Lithium-Ion Protected Rechargeable Battery (2-pack)"

Now, if that area of their web site needs to be updated because there has been a change, I'm going to take a vacation.

 

[MarcK73]

Does anyone know how to raise the center post inside the VMOD XL chamber? I use AVA LR Atomizers and on one of my VMOD XL's I literally had to use a pair of pliers to get the atty to screw in far enough to make a connection and the draw is very tight since it's screwed down so far. Thanks!

 

[Katdarling]

That just means she might help you look for it..... for a price

And the price is 27 mini jugs...

BTW this was so helpful. I think you were the one who posted it so I just took out of my notes and inserted into "quote" tags ....hope it was you, if not I apologize to the person who did write it.

am using the carto that came with.......had no luck with the atty. I'll have to test it again later. Got no vape at all using just the atty even after going thru all these steps several times. May be a tosser.

"(You will hear the pocket of juice release into the chamber.)" is that the "sound" I'm hearing like a little squish?

Hey Race... No vape? Toss. Don't even think twice. At least that's what I would say to you if you have tried all the suggestions given so far in this thread...

And, I didn't write the basic feeding guidelines. I was around when it was compiled and we were all learning the nuances of the Vmod compared to most squank type feeders. I believe it was AG, who was the OP of this thread who simplified it. We had learning curves and the vmod did too. I'm sure Katdarling remembers my scotch tape modding, before we discovered super glue.

All is pretty darn sweet now, and the ShiFu Master, Brian, has continued to listen to us.

SCOTCH Tape??? (Irish, dahlink.) *** ***

Ay ay. Will do this later tonight.



Aha. Okay. No I did not do that, but it makes sense.


But here's the news from my end......and understand, I am picky, picky (not really, in life i'm laid back about most everything, but I've had a lot of problems as a newbie to vaping, leaky stuff, bad juice, etc.), and if there is a chemical in anything I taste it over the juice, etc. :

THIS THING ROCKS. I have been using boge cartos, now using one that came with the vapage, no comparison, the vapage one is superior in every way to ME. I will try the atty suggestions later tonight.

If this becomes my main squeeze (no pun intended) then I will probably be a PITA for a while, cuz I will want to know EVERYTHING about it LOL Right now, I need to understand better the entire assembly, how it works, exploded views, etc. I need to play with it and see if I can figure that stuff out although I'm very bad at anything mechanical.....

I think I've been uh......CONVERTED.

Sounds like you are a studied expert at this point, Race, and soon enuf you will be teaching other newbs the ins and outs of our lovely little XL.

Keep asking questions... you, and everyone else. We will all help when and where we can!

Actually, since the VMOD XL is a mechanical device you want to use the AW IMR 1600's for the best results. For VV/VW devices then yes the Panasonic's are far superior for the same price. I'm at work and don't have the links bookmarked here, but Super-T did exhaustive battery tests and deemed the AW IMR 1600's the best for mechanical devices over the Panasonic's and even the AW IMR 2000's due to holding higher voltage longer.

EVERYONE please do your battery research. You will come to your own conclusions. I only want to STRESS that battery safety is of utmost importance. Do not leave your batts charging UNATTENDED. Please?

Is there a current coupon code?

Shopping around for a backup pv and might grab one if there is a sale.

helo/heli... There is a place on the Vapage site where you can sign up for "deals and discounts". Cool, eh?

The Vapage batteries I have are Protected Li-ion. They say ICR 18650 2200 MAH 3.7V. They are blue and are not re-wrapped with a Vapage logo as my smaller 14500's are.

They perform very well and tested out better than other cheaper brands (...fires) and almost up to AW standards, according to Vapage.

Beyond that I can't say. I don't have access to Vapage's warehouse to see if their stock have Vapage Branding or what is written on them. I do trust vapage to print accurate data on the batteries.

This is what the site says:

"We love protected batteries, and we love our new Vapage 18650 protected battery. We worked with a top secret factory to develope a protected 18650 that works better! What we developed is a 18650 3.7v 2200mah protected battery that has a longer power curve than regular 18650’s and gives good consistent power. It’s our version of the best that's on the market today. 18650 3.7V 2200mAh Lithium-Ion Protected Rechargeable Battery (2-pack)"

Now, if that area of their web site needs to be updated because there has been a change, I'm going to take a vacation.

TAke me With You!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know how to raise the center post inside the VMOD XL chamber? I use AVA LR Atomizers and on one of my VMOD XL's I literally had to use a pair of pliers to get the atty to screw in far enough to make a connection and the draw is very tight since it's screwed down so far. Thanks!

MarcK, I would be VERY hesitant to start playing around with the center post in the connector. It is recommended to not adjust the center post in the connector. It's not made to be adjusted. You might just create a short. I'm not at all familiar with the AVA attIEs. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

Happy Vapes, VMODia~

 

[Mariss716]

Just got my VMOD XL and I LOVE it. After a little learning I'm off and vaping CLOUDS like never before on my KGO. So easy to draw on. I'm using 50/50 PG/VG. Thanks for all the info on batteries, I will be reading through this huge thread to understand what is best for my new toy.

 

[SloHand]

I'm still getting a nice, burnt taste out of mine. I decided to start over fresh again, washed and dried my atty, primed it with 6 drops, waited a few minutes, dripped another 3 drops, waited another minute or two, put it back on the vmod, sqonked the crud out of it, gave it a couple dry pulls, and it still comes up really harsh and dry. I'm getting a feeling this might be a dud or something.

Swoody, my experience is that once you've burnt a carto or atty it is toast and you will forever get a burnt taste from it. No amount of cleaning will change that. My motto is "NEVER put a carto/atty onto your device without FIRST having wet it thoroughly with juice". This will ensure that you don't accidentally fire a dry carto/atty.

 

[heliguy]

Alright - Im in...

Im going on a 4 day bachelor party to Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri in a few weeks and I need to grab something as a backup to my darwin. I have decided on the Vmod XL. Probably will be my boat pv, I already lost a darwin last year when I was highly intoxicated and the last thing I need to do is drop another Darwin to the bottom of a lake.

Is it worth it to buy the complete kit? Im thinking for me it will be as I do not have a charger, or any 18650 batteries. Actually my girlfriend does for her lava tube but she needs that for her own charging.

I would rather just order it all from vapage (Including 2 extra batteries) and some LR atties. Instead of ordering from several places and having to pay shipping.

For those of you that have been using vapage batteries have you noticed a difference in performance compared to the IMR AW brand?

Also - I want to try and kick this mod while keeping the 18650 batteries. There is a video on youtube of someone doing this by making the bottle smaller and keeping it under that.

Have any of you had success doing this?

And finally - Does anyone know if any venders have kicks in stock?

 

[heliguy]

Well -

I couldn't wait any longer. Looks like I grabbed the Last premium Kit. They are now out of stock.

Also ordered

(2 extra battteries)
(2 1.5ohm atties with the slanted coils)

I decided to take my chances with the batteries. I will update in a few weeks to let everyone know how they work.


Let the stalking begin.

 

[Atlantisboy]

You will be very happy with your purchase

 

[MarcK73]

MarcK, I would be VERY hesitant to start playing around with the center post in the connector. It is recommended to not adjust the center post in the connector. It's not made to be adjusted. You might just create a short. I'm not at all familiar with the AVA attIEs. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

Well on the AVA's it looks like the center post is perfectly flush with the outside ground tube/threading, whereas most attys/cartos it sticks out just a little bit and on the Vapage attys/cartos it sticks out a lot. I tried gently pulling the post of the AVA down but it won't budge, so my only other option is to raise the center post inside the VMOD XL somehow.

I would prefer to find a way to keep using my AVA's as they're the best atty's I've ever tried for me (of course YMMV). They hold a ton of juice because it's almost impossible to flood them (ceramic plate instead of a wick & coil) and no throat-searing dry hits when it gets dry.

 

[kalifornia]

^ Im not an electrician but maybe you can lay some soldering iron on the post? or something to that affect possibly a washer??

 

[Katdarling]

Well on the AVA's it looks like the center post is perfectly flush with the outside ground tube/threading, whereas most attys/cartos it sticks out just a little bit and on the Vapage attys/cartos it sticks out a lot. I tried gently pulling the post of the AVA down but it won't budge, so my only other option is to raise the center post inside the VMOD XL somehow.

I would prefer to find a way to keep using my AVA's as they're the best atty's I've ever tried for me (of course YMMV). They hold a ton of juice because it's almost impossible to flood them (ceramic plate instead of a wick & coil) and no throat-searing dry hits when it gets dry.

I can more than understand loving a particular "burner" (as Fernand calls them) and wanting to use it on a mod that you like a lot. Since I'm not familiar with them, as I said, I do hope one of the other VMODians who does use the AVA will give an opinion. I'd also check with Vapage.

 

[MarcK73]

^ Im not an electrician but maybe you can lay some soldering iron on the post? or something to that affect possibly a washer??

I actually thought of that, but I wasn't sure about how the juice I'm vaping would interact with solder since it's a bottom-feeder so I thought I'd better not..

 

[kalifornia]

dumb question for the day; can you use a tank (with some kind of thread extension) on a XL? just wondering

 

[GobblerHunter]

Well on the AVA's it looks like the center post is perfectly flush with the outside ground tube/threading, whereas most attys/cartos it sticks out just a little bit and on the Vapage attys/cartos it sticks out a lot. I tried gently pulling the post of the AVA down but it won't budge, so my only other option is to raise the center post inside the VMOD XL somehow.

I would prefer to find a way to keep using my AVA's as they're the best atty's I've ever tried for me (of course YMMV). They hold a ton of juice because it's almost impossible to flood them (ceramic plate instead of a wick & coil) and no throat-searing dry hits when it gets dry.

How about a 510 to 510 extender? Something like this 510 to 510 adapter | extender

 

[Racehorse]

Hey Race... No vape? Toss. Don't even think twice. At least that's what I would say to you if you have tried all the suggestions given so far in this thread...


Sounds like you are a studied expert at this point, Race, and soon enuf you will be teaching other newbs the ins and outs of our lovely little XL.

Keep asking questions... you, and everyone else. We will all help when and where we can!

Okay I have a battery charger problem.

I bought 2 XLs. The first one, the battery shows charged, green.
Put the same battery on the other charger, and it shows RED, uncharged.

So, now what? I have NO IDEA which batt charger isn't working.