The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage - Part 2

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tearose50

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is the amg hybrid atty on vapage the same as what is being called the shi fu? and where does the name shi fu come from???

ShiFu is chinese for master. The owner first called it the ShiFu spec (specifications) design. Now, on the site at Vapage it is called "pro slant coil spec". (The easy way to see the difference is click the picture on site and you will see several coil wraps.)

And, it looks like they are sold out of 2.0 ohms at the moment. So, the ShiFu is right now only available in 1.5.

The 2.5's are the earlier design at this time -- and I believe the kits have the earlier spec. atty as well.
 

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the super-t folks make a nice product.

Do I have any other options here?

I also like RTD.

And, someone asked about the JoyE batteries --- I haven't studied up on them, so I don't have a clue.

The Vapage batteries I have are all Protected IC (Li-ion protected). As Brian has been testing an IMR battery---often called high drain and safer chemistry battery, this could change for future purchases at some point.
 

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Good morning VModers!
I ordered a XTAR WP2 II charger last night! Whoop whoop! ;-) Now I'd like to order a few extra batteries for back up to my back ups. I'm using the battery from Vapage that came with the VMod kit and I also got a two pack of the exact same battery -- so I have three. Not sure what they are? Trustfires?? Are they "protected"? Anyway, I'd like to try the AW IMR's that are protected as I read that's what most use in their mods & they are supposed to be the safest. Can you guys tell me which AW IMR 18650 you use? I know I've read there are differences, and I'm looking for best performance/batt life. If it makes a difference (which I think it does), I'd most likely only be using 2.5 Vapage atty or other SR atties. Also the best deal on them & where you order. Thanks all! :)

Hi 6845,

I'd suggest Panasonic CGR18650CH's. Better performance and more capacity than the AWs at around the same price.
Panasonic CGR18650CH 2250mah battery


Also, just a quick tip for everyone. If you're new to the shifu's and you seem to be getting a hot/burnt vape, the atty probably doesn't have enough juice in it. It doesn't really give the regular burning atty taste. The easiest way to figure out if you have enough juice in it is to give a dry pull. If you can hear liquid running around (gurgling), you're good, if not, tilt and squonk. Also, if you get too much juice in there, it can make for the super tight draw some have noted.

Happy vaping!
 

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Do the solid color shells have the nice rubbery like coating on them? I'm lusting over the pretty light pink one! LOL! Or are they just like the metal one the the VMod XL comes with?

Not rubberized. Metal like the one VmodXL comes with. but the colors are pretty nice!
 

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ShiFu is chinese for master. The owner first called it the ShiFu spec (specifications) design. Now, on the site at Vapage it is called "pro slant coil spec". (The easy way to see the difference is click the picture on site and you will see several coil wraps.)

And, it looks like they are sold out of 2.0 ohms at the moment. So, the ShiFu is right now only available in 1.5.

The 2.5's are the earlier design at this time -- and I believe the kits have the earlier spec. atty as well.

This is it, right?

http://www.vapage.com/AMG_Hybrid_Bottom_Feeder_2_pack_p/vpa-046-050.htm#

So you're saying the 1.5 and the 2.0 are newer design, but if you order off the same page and get the 2.5 it's the old design?

Also, I "think" my ala carte XL came with a 2.0, that's what the spec says. Are they marked on the device anywhere? Reason I ask is that I ordered a 1.5 as well, which didn't get here yet, but want to be able to tell the difference and which one I'm using when I have 2 of them.
 
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Feeding:

1) invert device & wait for juice to fill the bottleneck on the fill bottle. You may even wiggle it a bit & look for the air bubbles.

2) turn upright & squeeze the bottle.
(You will hear the pocket of juice release into the chamber.)

3) dry pull a few times to fill the Hybrid or Silo with juice from the chamber.

4) Vape

5) when.atty.or carto gets dry, do a couple of dry pulls again.

6) when chamber is empty...see #1"

BTW this was so helpful. I think you were the one who posted it so I just took out of my notes and inserted into "quote" tags ....hope it was you, if not I apologize to the person who did write it.:)

am using the carto that came with.......had no luck with the atty. I'll have to test it again later. Got no vape at all using just the atty even after going thru all these steps several times. May be a tosser.

"(You will hear the pocket of juice release into the chamber.)" is that the "sound" I'm hearing like a little squish?
 

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"The Hybrid BF 1.5ohm and 2.0ohm Atomizers have been up-dated with our new Pro Spec Slant Coil to give the great flavor and hit you like..." a quote from here:

AMG Hybrid Bottom Feeder (2-pack)

This is the "pro slant coil" (shifu)

VPA-046-050-4T.jpg


I don't have a picture handy of the earlier coil wraps. At one time it had 3, but I have some that have more like 5-- hard to see and count looking with the nekked eye. It's called a Hybrid because it is just that, a hybrid utilizing features of a 306 and 510 atty. :)

And, the Shifu do not have that little whitish o/ring gasket installed -- the earlier versions do. And, a reminder -- we don't need that gadget for the vmod. It is only for some who like to use the atty on other feeders.

I'm sure Brian will let someone know when the 2.5's are upgraded to ShiFu, aka pro slant coil and we'll hear about it here. :vapor:
 
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Thanks carlton for the battery info!!
As far as the 2.5 ShiFu atties, I contacted Vapage customer service at the beginning of the week to ask if I could return the 2.0's for the 2.5's, and I had the person I talked to check to make sure I'd be getting the updated new version. I was told that they are ALL now the new updated design/version.
 

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Also, I "think" my ala carte XL came with a 2.0, that's what the spec says. Are they marked on the device anywhere? Reason I ask is that I ordered a 1.5 as well, which didn't get here yet, but want to be able to tell the difference and which one I'm using when I have 2 of them.

They are marked on the side of the atty. It's light, so you'd have to specifically be looking for it.
 

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And, I didn't write the basic feeding guidelines. I was around when it was compiled and we were all learning the nuances of the Vmod compared to most squank type feeders. :thumb: I believe it was AG, who was the OP of this thread who simplified it. We had learning curves and the vmod did too. :laugh: I'm sure Katdarling remembers my scotch tape modding, before we discovered super glue.

All is pretty darn sweet now, and the ShiFu Master, Brian, has continued to listen to us.
 

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Thanks carlton for the battery info!!
As far as the 2.5 ShiFu atties, I contacted Vapage customer service at the beginning of the week to ask if I could return the 2.0's for the 2.5's, and I had the person I talked to check to make sure I'd be getting the updated new version. I was told that they are ALL now the new updated design/version.

Great news!

Time to update the site write-up Vapage. :D
 
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had no luck with the atty. I'll have to test it again later. Got no vape at all using just the atty even after going thru all these steps several times. May be a tosser.

"(You will hear the pocket of juice release into the chamber.)" is that the "sound" I'm hearing like a little squish?

Did you prime the atty with 6 drops of juice first? I drip them into a new atty and haven't had any problems. Yup, that squish is the juice moving into the chamber!
 

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Racehorse -- did you remove the plastic clearish oring? Sorry, I can't remember if we discussed that or not. It won't screw down tight enough on the vmod with that installed. Sometimes the threading needs a bit of break in, too. I had to learn to feel when the pin (bottom part) of the atty or carto was making contact at first, not just that it felt finger tight.
 

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Racehorse -- did you remove the plastic clearish oring? Sorry, I can't remember if we discussed that or not. It won't screw down tight enough on the vmod with that installed. Sometimes the threading needs a bit of break in, too. I had to learn to feel when the pin (bottom part) of the atty or carto was making contact at first, not just that it felt finger tight.

Ay ay. Will do this later tonight.

Did you prime the atty with 6 drops of juice first? I drip them into a new atty and haven't had any problems. Yup, that squish is the juice moving into the chamber!

Aha. Okay. No I did not do that, but it makes sense.


But here's the news from my end......and understand, I am picky, picky (not really, in life i'm laid back about most everything, but I've had a lot of problems as a newbie to vaping, leaky stuff, bad juice, etc.), and if there is a chemical in anything I taste it over the juice, etc. :

THIS THING ROCKS. I have been using boge cartos, now using one that came with the vapage, no comparison, the vapage one is superior in every way to ME. I will try the atty suggestions later tonight.

If this becomes my main squeeze (no pun intended) then I will probably be a PITA for a while, cuz I will want to know EVERYTHING about it LOL Right now, I need to understand better the entire assembly, how it works, exploded views, etc. I need to play with it and see if I can figure that stuff out although I'm very bad at anything mechanical.....

I think I've been uh......CONVERTED. :)
 

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THIS THING ROCKS. I have been using boge cartos, now using one that came with the vapage, no comparison, the vapage one is superior in every way to ME. I will try the atty suggestions later tonight.

If this becomes my main squeeze (no pun intended) then I will probably be a PITA for a while, cuz I will want to know EVERYTHING about it LOL Right now, I need to understand better the entire assembly, how it works, exploded views, etc. I need to play with it and see if I can figure that stuff out although I'm very bad at anything mechanical.....

I think I've been uh......CONVERTED. :)

YAY! So glad it's working out for you! When I first got mine I vaped it without the case on so that I could see how it works. I removed the drip tip when I filled it and peeked into the atty, that helped me figure out how to regulate the squirsh. It's a really simple and straightforward device. congrats!
 

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Hi 6845,

I'd suggest Panasonic CGR18650CH's. Better performance and more capacity than the AWs at around the same price.
Panasonic CGR18650CH 2250mah battery

Actually, since the VMOD XL is a mechanical device you want to use the AW IMR 1600's for the best results. For VV/VW devices then yes the Panasonic's are far superior for the same price. I'm at work and don't have the links bookmarked here, but Super-T did exhaustive battery tests and deemed the AW IMR 1600's the best for mechanical devices over the Panasonic's and even the AW IMR 2000's due to holding higher voltage longer.
 

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Did you prime the atty with 6 drops of juice first? I drip them into a new atty and haven't had any problems. Yup, that squish is the juice moving into the chamber!

I'm still getting a nice, burnt taste out of mine. I decided to start over fresh again, washed and dried my atty, primed it with 6 drops, waited a few minutes, dripped another 3 drops, waited another minute or two, put it back on the vmod, sqonked the crud out of it, gave it a couple dry pulls, and it still comes up really harsh and dry. I'm getting a feeling this might be a dud or something. After a few easy tokes, I sqonked it until it leaked out the drip tip, and it barely made any noticeable improvement. Before I even purchased the XL I did some research and came across this thread and the guidelines everyone has been posting, so I was familiar with the method before I even had the XL in hand.

The o-ring you guys are referring to, I can see it on the end of the atty, but it seems to only provide 1mm or so of space before the post would seat against the pv's connector. I tried pulling at it with my fingernail, but it's in there really well. Have you guys been using pins or needles to remove it?

Either way, I've had good luck with the Cisco atties I've had in the past, and there may be an HH357 in my mailbox tomorrow :vapor:
 
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