The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage - Part 2

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It isn't the VMod on the TH Synnuh. I will say that every non mechanical mod I have used hits harder than my mechanical mods (ICON, Prodigy, Legacy, REOs). I run all my non VVs with 1.5 Joye attys including the VMod you traded me (Btw sorry your missing it) and he hit on to VMod is better than my non VV devices. VVs I can crank up a small notch to increase. I think mechanicals have some efficiency issues. Just my opinion I am no electrical engineer.

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Oh man, what's going on?! I was trying to remember who I traded it to. :p I recognized your nick, but didn't place it. No biggie, I love the LT, don't regret making the trade, just missing having a VMod in my hands now. :) I don't think I'll find a single device that meets all my needs, so I think I'm gonna try multiple APV's and let each one serve it's own purpose.
 
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I'd probably consider myself a light vaper, as well. I'm definitely not a chain vaper, I set the device down and just leave it quite a bit. If I had to say, I'm getting 4mls on an 18650 in the LT, 2mls a day.

I don't mind keeping more batteries in rotation, since I've already got 3 Vapage 18650s from my previous purchase. I just wanted to make sure going with a 1.5 wouldn't have me rotating batteries 3 times a day.

I don't have dripping down to a "science" like I've seen some people talk about, but when I had my VMod I could get 3-4 good draws off of it before I noticed the dry taste. I'd give it a good squeeze til I knew juice was in it, then tilt it back upright and give it a couple dry squeezes, and get 3-4 more good draws off it.

After I've tried the juices I was using in it on a few different devices, I've come to figure out that it may not have been all the VMods fault, with the lack of TH previously, but that the juices could have played a bigger role in it. I think, now, if I'd have gone down to a 1.5ohm that gave a tighter draw, like Fernand recommended, and changed to a juice that I know gives a good TH, I'd have been satisfied with it and wouldn't have just traded it off the way I did.

Hind sight is 20/20, but looking at it now I am still kind of glad that I did trade it off. I ended up with a Lavatube that I'm happy with, and learned a little more about what I really want from a device. The VMod wasn't nearly as big of a hassle as I made it out to be. I need to get my juice delivery system down so I'll be a 100% happy vaper, which consists of little to no tinkering.

I know the LT will always have a place on my desk, but it's too hard to mess with any delivery system on it when I'm away from the house, and in the car. Right now when the tank gets half full it burns the carto, so I have to keep it topped off with the syringe then it works great.

Once I get my home-based business headed back in the right direction I'll be in the car 12 hours a day again, so I'm gonna need something that doesn't require me to carry a syringe, juice bottle, and muck with the tank when I'm out. I see the LT getting a nice atty on it, and dripping when I'm at home or just using the tank when I don't feel like dripping, then using the VMod when I'm in the vehicle. Changing out the battery every morning and keeping a spare in the car isn't something that I'd complain about.

If you were getting decent vapes out of the VMod, and for your needs, it sounds like you will be having a bottom feeder again... they are perfect for on the road. It's all about two things: 1. getting the resistance matched to the voltage correctly for your needs 2. getting the correct amount of juice in the atomizer.
The other option is a tank mod... you know, carto in the tank, for on the road or not having to drip.
I do NOT like carto's because the flavor is not as good imo.

Thinking about TH being your number one concern, you must get 1.5 LR atomizers. The Cisco's are known for their TH. Try the 306 LR 1.5.
The HH357 even LR 1.5 is mild on the TH compared to a Cisco 1.5 Ohm. Aero is mild too.

Take along an extra 18650... backups; of everything; are always required.
 

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I'm using a carto in the tank on the LT now, and it's what is blowing through cartos on me. I have to keep it topped off, because it seems like as soon as the juice level drops below half full it burns up the carto then I gotta swap out the juice, change the carto and refill again.

That Cisco LR 306 was recommended to me before I decided to throw in the towel before. I just couldn't picture it making a big enough difference, until I managed to play with VV and see what higher voltages / wattage will do with juices. I'm going to put in an order for a couple of those in the morning, so I can get used to them while I'm looking around for the right priced VMod, if I don't just go brand new again.
 

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[QUOTE so I think I'm gonna try multiple APV's and let each one serve it's own purpose.[/QUOTE]

Sounds about like what I do. My Vmods are my traveling companions. I carry both the XL and the little guy with spare batteries for the little guy and something else, just in case. I've a bit of hobbie going on mods---and enjoy the variance in different set ups. I've been a feeder fan for a long time -- but am starting to enjoy carto tanks, too.

I tried the Vapage "crystal" -- threw it on an ego battery and was pretty impressed for the occasional vape. I'll use them again.
 
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Usually have a bottom feeder and tanked ProVari.

Did have the Reo and XL a couple of times last week. Even though the Reo has gone it will be replaced with another bottom feeder which I am due to pay for next week.

Will stay at 2 x XL's and another. Just couldn't believe how much I missed the option lol I was only missing a bottom feeder for 2 days and it was nasty.

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I am missing mine so much I bought a spare.

And heir and a spare, AT.

I guess my comments should be premised with the fact that I am a chain vaper, and I always had not only multiple batts in rotation, but also multiple devices to pull from. In fact I have at least 3 devices at my finger tips. If one gets hot after a few vapes, i put it down and grab a cool one.

Ahh, ukeman, I'm like you. I literally do not leave the house without a small bag of juices, extra filled cartos, an atty or two, and FIVE devices. I a) like being prepared and 2) like to let my batts rest and let my overly heated cartos/attys have a cool down.

Most of us are big believers in back up back up back up. I subscribe. :)

It is a different experience the 357.

Seems to take a lot more juice than any other Atty I have come across. That was why I am dripping it out of the VMod to get to grips with it.

Just under 24 hours in and still the flavour is fine though not spectular and every now and it catches me out with massive amounts of vapor. Trying to figure out how to get that consistently at the moment.


AT, the 357s really need to be kept wet. I have a feeling you've experienced that by now. Just juice 'em.

Synnuh, you have mentioned your need for stronger TH. The attys are part of the equation, and as Fernand said, so is the juice. Are you using high PG level juices? You will get a lot more TH from them.

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Alright, got the order in for a Cisco LR 306 and tip, gonna start getting the hang of it. Now comes the waiting game. Gonna see if I can hold off on a good used VMod or just put the money up for another new one. Either way, there's definitely going to be another one in my hands soon. :D Thanks again for the help ya'll. Gonna find my happy place soon enough, even if it takes multiple devices.
 

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I've been having issues with my Kick and the Vmod XL. The reduced vape-time on a single batt made it neccessary to carry multiple batts. I'm not a fan of that. I finally came across the vid for adding the Kick below the bottle, and the v-out pin on the Kick was loose, so I made the plunge today and did it right. I added plates on top of the 18650, separated by insulation, and wired for v-in !nd v-out for the Kick. I did a bit of surgery on the chassis and reinforced it after all the connections were made. I'm on my 1st 18650 w/Kick, so I'll be timing the run-time tomorrow.

I also built a reb ildable CE2-type atty. This is nice. I can carry a couple inches ofcotton yarn and some nichrome for worry-free vaping.

This thing's turned into a consistent, low-cost APV with a little ingenuity and the right parts.

The fact that it holds more than enough nicquid for a day makes it my got-to, all day PV.

I'm mostly just back in the thread to brag on my APV-modding success! I'll try to get pics up tomorrow.
 
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Whoever said about the mechanicals having efficiency problems is right, and I am an engineer. It's the CONTACTS, baby. If you want to check it out, take some 90+% alcohol, isopropyl or ethanol or whatever, and some q-tips, and thoroughly scrub the battery ends, the contact plate in the XL, the spring etc. If you have real contact cleaner, so much the better, but alcohol can help a lot. You'll be surprised. We lose like almost 1/2 a volt across all the funky connections in the XL circuit. An electronic device switches the big current with a transistor, that has minor losses compared to dirty mechanical switching. It's just a hassle cleaning the contacts, so I don't bother, i just work the switch hard to get the gunk off.

As a chain vaper I swap 18650s (AW 2600 mAh blackies) in the XL several times a day. Like Ukeman said, there's no free lunch. You want heavy hitting, go with Low Resistance. You want heavy hitting and veeery long battery life, dream on. It's just not possible.

Now I've taken to using the NiMh 5 volt stacks in my second XL with a 2.8 ohm atty. The short life on the NiMh doesn't bother me around the house, I'm constantly swapping and charging anyway. When my wife's around, sometimes there's a queue at the chargers, a battery or two lined up next to the two 3.7 volt nests, the 5 volt NiMh bays, and the eGo chargers. Nothing's perfect.

But absolutely most of all, I hate the Provari. Not only is the user interface idiotic, every time I try to reach the AO page I overshoot and have to go around the menu. Every time I tap the button to vape, I end up on the AO page and can't figure out why it's not firing. And then the battery life is lousy. I got a couple of the eGo twists, and for the tiny battery that's in there, it's astounding that it lasts about as long as the Provari with an 18650! That Provari buck-boost circuit is just inefficient, to top off a dumb interface. The Provari was so expensive, and the finish on it is so nice, that I can't toss it. But the eGo Twist shows what VV is all about. Not getting enough hit? Turn it up a bit. Too hot, turn it down. No menus, no bs. And Joye has always made the best batteries, they somehow squeeze more vaping time out of a battery than anybody. I've taken the original eGos apart and marveled at the little battery in the tube. It's just an efficient circuit they've designed there. Now with the eGo Twists I'm rediscovering all the spare CE2's I bought.

So, Synnuh, just don't fret. All this stuff is useful, and none of it is perfect, 'cause we be humans. There CAN be more than one. We need lotsa GEAR!

About a month ago I was in Warsaw, and you know they SMOKE there. I thought the world had come to my end when I saw my friend the editor of the big Warsaw daily, a news junkie and writer who's been a chain smoker for decades, the kind with the yellow fingers and he's talking with the cigarette in his mouth and lighting the next cigarette off the last one, and he shows up for a meeting and he's VAPING!!!!! Whoa! I gave him my last two full 30 ml bottles of homebrew VG juice, I was so moved!
 

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Fernand, what a wonderful post!

I must say,,, after 16 months of vaping, I have STILL not bought myself a Provari. I just keep waffling on that big buy.

I have recently started using the Ego Twists and they ARE fantastic! Even for a newb with no knowledge of ohms and/or volts and/or watts... as you said, too cool? turn it up. too warm? turn it down.

Gotta love something about on the fly adjustments! That is not to say the Provari is something bad. I don't think it is at all. But needed in my arsenal? Not really, not at this point in time.

PS. Just cleaned my contacts! Can you remind us about one a month, please? ;)
 

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I kept the bridges on mine as.....well couldn't see any point in removing them. Not exactly going to stop me from dripping as I didn't drip 'em with the XL.

Got quite a few bridge less atty's that I use on the XL too.

Dunno lol Make up your mind and go for it but I can say that the bridge on the Cisco 306 does nothing to impair performance.
 

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The bridge in a bottom feeder just acts as a "buffer" that stores some extra juice. Depending on whether you tend to run over dry or over wet you can decide. But frankly the idea of de-bridging (and then there was even a fad in the days of the 510 carts of ripping out the wick, some guy came up with the idea that the fluffy thing was "in the way", and people were actually doing it) strikes me as odd, as if the people who made the thing had no idea what they were doing ...

I hope you ordered some drip tips with your 306s that fit in the XL and don't block airflow. I never did quite get past that issue. At some point, Synnuh, I hope you just try a 357 or at least one of the other 510 Cisco type atties.
 
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