The Womper Woom, Womp it again Sam.

[Sir Kadly]

Heat for a long period will build up pressure and make any tank leak at some point..

My Merlins don't seem to care

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[Boden]

It seems like increased power results in a decrease in nic concentration, but that increase in power is associated with lower ohm coils and increased vapor production, so the more that's vaporized, a lower nic solution works to maintain a relatively similar dose delivery. It's much the same way as calculating total daily dose by concentration and volume. If I have 3 ml of 24 mg a day, but then go to 5~6 ml of 12 mg a day my total daily dose is equivalent.

As you drop into real subohm, big volume vaping, again it might only be a 3 mg solution, but if you vape 30 ml a day of it, again roughly equivalent.

First off, the term Sub-ohm is meaningless. I can run a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W and a 0.2ohm coil at 7W.

The rest makes sense.

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

What the heck is a final Vaping style?

I've been Vaping for seven years and in that time I have broadened how I vape, not settled into a rut

Sorry, I know that no one is ever stagnant in life. What I meant is when one is undergoing an obvious transition rather than subtle variations, such as from tiny tootles to mod womps to cloud chasing. Those seem to be fairly obvious "jumps" in styles and equipment requirements, whereas simply turning your Watts up or down for any given tank is a subtle refinement.

 

[Eskie]

OK, but first, please define "real" sub-Ohm? Is 0.5 not real? And, if I use Lannie as my guinea pig on your statements, it does not all fit perfectly. Of course, we all know Lannie is not "average." But she only had to go up 20W to cut her nic way down (she posted all that somewhere above). Her clouds are only a little larger than my 20W TootleWomps, but her joose consumption is waaaay more than mine. And, if someone blows out a bigger cloud, does that not mean that it is vapor that did not get its component chemicals absorbed? That is, just because you are using ten times the juice at 1mg as you used at 10mg, I suspect you are not really absorbing ALL the equivalent nic.

Which brings up another question for the Logicians: What percentage of inhale is absorbed versus the amount of exhale? Is the resultant cloud stripped of its flavor and nic, or was that portion wasted?

Well there's subohm, and then the "really" subohm 0.2-3 ohm double helix cross stapled four in one hand tie coils that vaporize 2 ml in a single breath.

First off, the term Sub-ohm is meaningless. I can run a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W and a 0.2ohm coil at 7W.

The rest makes sense.

But a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W will simply burst into flame, while the 0.2 ohm coil will barely notice your light tap on the shoulder. So you can, but it doesn't mean you can vape them. Hypothetically.

 

[Atchafalaya]

I did a flow chart for y'all. Should be easy to reach your goals now.

I wouldn't be able to read that even with a microscope!!!!!! LOL!!!

 

[Atchafalaya]

stagnant in life

I am. Well, for the most part.

 

[Sir Kadly]

OK, for the average vaper (not including vapers in transition from one mode to another who have not as yet settled on their final vaping style)...

Does increasing the Watts used tend to make the nic level requirement go down?
and/or
Does increasing the Watts tend to make the suck time correspondingly shorter?

Is there a direct correlation? as in
If X Watts requires Y nic, does then 2X Watts = Y/2 nic?

Short answer is no. Longer answer is it can depend on many other factors which aren't easily quantifiable. Airflow for one, but there are other factors too.

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[Atchafalaya]

20W TootleWomps

20W is not tootling to me. I tootle at 7 - 9. Press the button, count to 7, breathe in, breathe out.

 

[Boden]

Sorry, I know that no one is ever stagnant in life. What I meant is when one is undergoing an obvious transition rather than subtle variations, such as from tiny tootles to mod womps to cloud chasing. Those seem to be fairly obvious "jumps" in styles and equipment requirements, whereas simply turning your Watts up or down for any given tank is a subtle refinement.

I think you are looking for a formula where none can be applied. It's a try it and see situation.

Then sometimes you mess up and put 16mg juice in a RDA and hit it at 66W. Then you have to go lie down in a dark closet.

 

[USMCotaku]

OK, for the average vaper (not including vapers in transition from one mode to another who have not as yet settled on their final vaping style)...

Does increasing the Watts used tend to make the nic level requirement go down?
and/or
Does increasing the Watts tend to make the suck time correspondingly shorter?

Is there a direct correlation? as in
If X Watts requires Y nic, does then 2X Watts = Y/2 nic?

I would say not exactly. The nic level is directly correlated to the efficiency of atomization.....example, you have two pans on a stove......a 4" and a 12".....both heated to exactly 450 degrees. Now assume you had a way to drop just enough liquid, and in a way that it would just cover the whole heated surface of the pans.....you are going to get a lot more steam out of the larger surface pan....this is the efficiency of sub ohm coils. Since they are more efficient, you get more nic off of them. They require more wattage to compensate for more surface area/thicker metal, and increased energy loss. The temp you are vaping at will be around the same (this can be observed on a TC mod, by building with 24 gauge for one and 30 gauge on another.....hit both at 420 degrees and watch the wattage)

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[coolerat]

OK, but first, please define "real" sub-Ohm? Is 0.5 not real? And, if I use Lannie as my guinea pig on your statements, it does not all fit perfectly. Of course, we all know Lannie is not "average." But she only had to go up 20W to cut her nic way down (she posted all that somewhere above). Her clouds are only a little larger than my 20W TootleWomps, but her joose consumption is waaaay more than mine. And, if someone blows out a bigger cloud, does that not mean that it is vapor that did not get its component chemicals absorbed? That is, just because you are using ten times the juice at 1mg as you used at 10mg, I suspect you are not really absorbing ALL the equivalent nic.

Which brings up another question for the Logicians: What percentage of inhale is absorbed versus the amount of exhale? Is the resultant cloud stripped of its flavor and nic, or was that portion wasted?

I "suck" on everything the same amount of time, cigarette, Tootle or sub.

Power does cause decreased nic level for me. These days I'm mostly around 50w and use 3mg during low stress and 6mg during high stress times. Not much 3mg these days but it will happen again and my body will tell me when. I very rarely get nic sick but I have been and no doubt will again.

At low power I use 12-18mg. I absorb very little nic at low power so can do unlimited amount at 20w and have never been nic sick. Pretty sure I could vape 100mg base through a Kayfun up to the 5. Could do 50mg in a 5.

 

[Sir Kadly]

I know where you got those. Were those from the original supply or the replacement that also sold out? I hope you're happy hoarding two of those while some of us missed out.



Didn't you just get one of these for travel but then returned it? I could be utterly confused though, but I remember something in gunmetal like that.



That blue is really nice. Worth holding out for. Enjoy Darth Linda!

Umm, sorry? No idea, I saw it advertised and bought em.

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[Atchafalaya]

You can always tell when someone is happy with their new gear........by the flood of pictures

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Yes, I love her. And I'm going to name her. Blue Mamba.

 

[Boden]

Well there's subohm, and then the "really" subohm 0.2-3 ohm double helix cross stapled four in one hand tie coils that vaporize 2 ml in a single breath.



But a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W will simply burst into flame, while the 0.2 ohm coil will barely notice your light tap on the shoulder. So you can, but it doesn't mean you can vape them. Hypothetically.

You think so?

Welcome to school.

B r b

 

[Atchafalaya]

The Dork Lord Has Spoken!!!

Don't you be forgetting either.

I'll try to do a little sciencing on my suck times tonight![emoji6]

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Go for it!

In the future, our Jobs will be determined by Atchas spreadsheet.. Gattica...

Nah. That's just personality styles. If I were to have the Perfect job, I'd probably BE an entertainer. I'd love that so much. But, I'm also analytical and amazingly, many other SQL Developers I work with also play instruments. I'm just doing the SQL development stuff because I'm not famous..........yet.....

 

[USMCotaku]

Well there's subohm, and then the "really" subohm 0.2-3 ohm double helix cross stapled four in one hand tie coils that vaporize 2 ml in a single breath.



But a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W will simply burst into flame, while the 0.2 ohm coil will barely notice your light tap on the shoulder. So you can, but it doesn't mean you can vape them. Hypothetically.

He basically meant coil mass is more important then what it ohms out at. You can build two .5 ohm coils....one out of 26 gauge and one out of 22......the 22 is going to have MUCH more mass.....needing a lot more wattage to heat up. But when they are heated to similar temp, the 22 gauge is going to put off more vapor....more surface area, more liquid vaporized at one time.

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[USMCotaku]

Yes, I love her. And I'm going to name her. Blue Mamba.

My almost all black German Shepard's name is Mamba
She was a stray that moved in with a couple puppies and I was calling her mamma........so I needed a name that was similar.

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[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

20W is not tootling to me. I tootle at 7 - 9. Press the button, count to 7, breathe in, breathe out.

Well, I did move from the Tootle Puffer thread to the ModWomper thread. So I am calling it TootleWomping because I have not changed any of the equipment I use. I didn't buy special sub-Ohm coils, RDA/RDTA (whatevers) tanks, higher Watt mods... I am still using the same tootle puffer equipment but at higher Watts. Other than I make ever so slightly larger clouds, the only difference I can note is that my coils do not seem to last as long. Either I am burning a leg off (suddenly get NO ATOMIZER warnings) or I have some really cheap crap coils.

Well, folks, I gotta get my buns out to the barn and shovel some stuff that's deeper than what's in this thread so I'll be back later tonight. This has been a very interesting discussion and I appreciate everyone's input.

 

[Atchafalaya]

First off, the term Sub-ohm is meaningless. I can run a 1.2 ohm coil at 130W and a 0.2ohm coil at 7W.

The rest makes sense.

I kind of like the term Sub-ohm. It's just so "ohmic".

 

[Atchafalaya]

Well, I did move from the Tootle Puffer thread to the ModWomper thread. So I am calling it TootleWomping because I have not changed any of the equipment I use. I didn't buy special sub-Ohm coils, RDA/RDTA (whatevers) tanks, higher Watt mods... I am still using the same tootle puffer equipment but at higher Watts. Other than I make ever so slightly larger clouds, the only difference I can note is that my coils do not seem to last as long. Either I am burning a leg off (suddenly get NO ATOMIZER warnings) or I have some really cheap crap coils.

Well, folks, I gotta get my buns out to the barn and shovel some stuff that's deeper than what's in this thread so I'll be back later tonight. This has been a very interesting discussion and I appreciate everyone's input.

Thanks for bringing the discussion up. Very interesting indeed. Tell Lannie hi.

My almost all black German Shepard's name is Mamba
She was a stray that moved in with a couple puppies and I was calling her mamma........so I needed a name that was similar.

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I named my black hose Black Mamba. lol. It was super long to reach all the way to the back pasture, very heavy duty, bad to the bone. Also, I just love the Kill Bill movies and Black Mamba was Uma's assassin name.
Well, back to filling tanks. Chowsers!