Titanium wire, vaping and safety
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No, its not the same as Ti, I don't think you can really use any temp offset with SS in ni200 mode, and hope to achieve good results. I could be wrong, I only have 317 SS 22 gauge and only use it on mechs, never tried it on a TC mod, probably would have enough power for it.
No, its not the same as Ti, I don't think you can really use any temp offset with SS in ni200 mode, and hope to achieve good results. I could be wrong, I only have 317 SS 22 gauge and only use it on mechs, never tried it on a TC mod, figured I probably would have enough power for it with m class or dna40.
hey now no contaminating the Ti thread with SS discussions...lol!!!
I hope you citizens of the USA will be supporting your team in the rugby world cup which has now started! Now rugby is proper game, granted the hits aren't quite as big as American football but the key difference is the guys don't wear armour or helmets. It's a thugs game played by gentlemen, football (or soccer as you lot would call it) is a gentleman's game played by thugs. Rugby is a fantastic and stratigic sport and I'm really proud they are playing games at the highest level in my city Gloucester which isn't that big but has a reputation of having one of the best atmospheres within the sport. The game isn't as long winded as your football because they don't change the whole bloody team over every five minutes. You can't throw the ball forward but they quite similar apart from those. I highly recommend you guys watch a game and give it a chance and also bear in mind it is a proper world league playing for the top trophy in the sport the world cup where over 80 nations started and only 1 can win. Our football (soccer) team think they are good but in truth they fail so hard and rugby are team are actually world class.
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Steve, you're under the (understandably) mistaken impression that Americans don't know about or play rugby. They do. And "football" too. And even cricket. There's over 300 million of us, and a lot of variety beyond the stereotypes.
We also drive race cars on tracks that aren't oval, we ride motorbikes that aren't from Milwaukee, and so on.
EDIT: I expect rugby would be a lot more popular in the US if they saw this:
We also drive race cars on tracks that aren't oval, we ride motorbikes that aren't from Milwaukee, and so on.
EDIT: I expect rugby would be a lot more popular in the US if they saw this:
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Many murkans are under the conviction that if it's not life threatening, it's not a sport. Count me in, although even the most civil games can go rogue, like when you put lawn darts in the hands of unchaperoned teenage boys....don't ask how I know this.
This is correct. The only chance of using 'normal' SS (ie 304) without a proper SS mode or a TCR adjustment is with a Titanium mode, and even then it's usually too hot except on those mods that deliberately underheat such as the Joyetech Evic. I haven't yet tested the SXM's Titanium mode.
But there is now a different SS available to buy from Unkamen, SS 430, which has a much higher TCR and should be vapeable on any Titanium mode.
And then there's NiFe wire, which can be vaped on all TC mods - including Ni200 only - and has all the advantages of SS plus greater accuracy.
But as Steve said, there's another thread to discuss this in
I know the Beyond Ni200 thread gets quite complex at times, but you can still ask basic questions there - people do all the time @2legsshrt ask your follow up questions there and I will answer.
Will do and thanks.This is correct. The only chance of using 'normal' SS (ie 304) without a proper SS mode or a TCR adjustment is with a Titanium mode, and even then it's usually too hot except on those mods that deliberately underheat such as the Joyetech Evic. I haven't yet tested the SXM's Titanium mode.
But there is now a different SS available to buy from Unkamen, SS 430, which has a much higher TCR and should be vapeable on any Titanium mode.
And then there's NiFe wire, which can be vaped on all TC mods - including Ni200 only - and has all the advantages of SS plus greater accuracy.
But as Steve said, there's another thread to discuss this in
Hey guys,
With the number of pages this thread has, my issue may (most likely) or may not have been addressed previously so since I'm lazy to read through them all, I'll type up my problem.
I've been using titanium coils lately in tanks and I have to say it is quite an enjoyable experience. Now that's all fine and dandy, but my coils seem to gunk up fast. I'm talking 3-4 days tops. I'm sure it's because of the desert flavors since they seem to take a toll on all of the wires and not just titanium.
Upon inspection, they seem to have a black sort of tar-ry layer. When scrubbed with a toothbrush, small black dust-like particles fall off. I'm not sure what these are, but they're putting me off because no one wants to inhale something like that into their lungs. From the reading I've done, the TC devices do not reach a high enough temperature to produce TiO2, but what happens if you're constantly heating and then letting the coil cool down?
I'm just trying to understand what these black dust-sized particles are. I can assume the black color is due to the contamination from the juice, but that's all about I can think of.
On a slight tangent, when are we getting gunk-proof wires?
With the number of pages this thread has, my issue may (most likely) or may not have been addressed previously so since I'm lazy to read through them all, I'll type up my problem.
I've been using titanium coils lately in tanks and I have to say it is quite an enjoyable experience. Now that's all fine and dandy, but my coils seem to gunk up fast. I'm talking 3-4 days tops. I'm sure it's because of the desert flavors since they seem to take a toll on all of the wires and not just titanium.
Upon inspection, they seem to have a black sort of tar-ry layer. When scrubbed with a toothbrush, small black dust-like particles fall off. I'm not sure what these are, but they're putting me off because no one wants to inhale something like that into their lungs. From the reading I've done, the TC devices do not reach a high enough temperature to produce TiO2, but what happens if you're constantly heating and then letting the coil cool down?
I'm just trying to understand what these black dust-sized particles are. I can assume the black color is due to the contamination from the juice, but that's all about I can think of.
On a slight tangent, when are we getting gunk-proof wires?
It's carbon from the burned sugars in your juice, most likely. Nothing to get too alarmed by, though I'm curious as to what temps you're running. Personally, I tend to get more gunk at lower temps than higher temps.
The better question would be when are we going to get gunk-proof sugary juices, and the answer is...never.
And trust me, you don't want "gunk proof" coils, that'd require a non-stick coating, most of which are nasty nasty nasty when inhaled.
The better question would be when are we going to get gunk-proof sugary juices, and the answer is...never.
And trust me, you don't want "gunk proof" coils, that'd require a non-stick coating, most of which are nasty nasty nasty when inhaled.
Interesting. Since it's burned sugar, doing a google search says that that produces acetaldehyde which is a Group B2, probable human carcinogen.
I'm in no way trying to cause for alarm or undermine the versatility of titanium. I'm here to learn and would like to be completely wrong regarding this matter. Would really appreciate it if someone could assure me that it's just all in my head and there are no health hazards with titanium if used correctly.
Burnt sugar has nothing to do with Titanium. You can burn sugar very nicely in a teflon pan on your stove.
That said the acetaldehyde are formed at temperatures I believe above 500F which is why we are using TC Mods to avoid that situation.
I agree, definitely not the wire. In the Steamengine calculator it shows the same heat flux values for all wire types given they are the same gauge and length.
My perception of the situation is when there is even the slightest burning we sense that immediately and are programmed to have a sort of gag response. Never the less has any researacher tested the gunk to see what it is? It may simply be over cooked, not products of combustion. Fasttech is now selling 50 m of Ti for $8 which means I can make a coil for 2.5 cents. I replace my Ti coils about every 2 days because I prefer the taste and vapor quality of a fresh coil. It's a 15 minute job. I used to spend an hour a day standing outside smoking.
Should have made myself clearer in that I'm concerned with the gunk layer rather than titanium in general. My mistake.
"above 500F" is vague though. Depending on the flavor, I do vape up to 540F. VG alone boils at 554F and PG alone boils at 370F. Combined however, I haven't got the slightest clue. Adding on top of that the main ingredients of juices (distilled water, nicotine, flavoring), and it starts to get more confusing. At least for me.
Based on the replies in this thread and the brief skimming I did on titanium coils, the only way to rid myself completely of gunky coils is with the help of an ultrasonic cleaner and some soap. Guess that'll be my next investment...not accounting for the soap, of course
Now if only dry burning was a viable option with titanium, that would be perfect.
Ti can be carefully dryburned without creating visable signs of dioxide deposits. There is even a way to dryburn it using temp control to ensure it never reaches critical temp.
See comments on this and more here:
TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance | Page 94 | E-Cigarette Forum
Most of the sweeteners I have seen on sites for sale in ejuice isn't sugar it's Splenda. I would say that would prob be worse for inhaling than sugar would be, More so if it's burning.
There's lots of things found in flavored liquids that can caramelize. Including sucralose (Splenda). The reason Splenda doesn't caramelize well when cooking isn't the sucralose, it's the maltodextrin filler to make it measure equivalent to table sugar. That filler is not present in juice sweeteners, as it's "pure" sucralose mixed with PG.
And pure sucralose caramelizes at a lower temp than sugar.
Splenda™, Sugar’s Weird “New Age” Cousin—A Chemist’s Perspective | culinarian
And pure sucralose caramelizes at a lower temp than sugar.
Splenda™, Sugar’s Weird “New Age” Cousin—A Chemist’s Perspective | culinarian
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