Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[TheBloke]

I've found 24g grade 1 Ti is the easiest to work with and maintain low ohms.

Out of interest, why do you want to maintain low ohms?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Which one is that?

And yeah I quite like 24G when it fits in my atomizers, nice big area for flavour

Its jewellery wire. Got it from amazon. Works very well and Im sure its gr1. At least the resistivity appears to be pretty much spot on. I'll send you some form analysis if you like!!!! That would be quite cool actually!

 

[jks89]

whoops my bad! I'll edit the original post away...

Thanks for looking out! Had me scared for a second before I checked again.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Thanks for looking out! Had me scared for a second before I checked again.

There are plenty of safety valves on this forum!! Thnakfully!!

 

[TheBloke]

Its jewellery wire. Got it from amazon. Works very well and Im sure its gr1. At least the resistivity appears to be pretty much spot on. I'll send you some form analysis if you like!!!! That would be quite cool actually!

Would love some! Non-springy Titanium would be awesome. They don't do 26 as well do they?

 

[ThunderDan]

Out of interest, why do you want to maintain low ohms?

For clouds bro. (sarcasm).

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Would love some! Non-springy Titanium would be awesome. They don't do 26 as well do they?

its this stuff...24 is the thinnest they do sadly!

Titanium Round Wire - Grade 1 - (0.81mm (20ga) x 20 Feet): Amazon.co.uk: Kitchen & Home

acid pickled and very well annealed. The link goes to the 20g I think...

This is the first Ti wire I ever bought!! I might email the vendors and see if they can source or steer me towards a higher guage!

cheers

steve

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Just went to the vendor site and found this...

Grade-1 Titanium Round Wire 0.4mm x 10m. Metal Clays 4 You

suffice it to say I ordered some!!

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its all a lot cheaper on the website vs amazon...free postage!

ps. already shipped!

 

[TheBloke]

Just went to the vendor site and found this...

Grade-1 Titanium Round Wire 0.4mm x 10m. Metal Clays 4 You

suffice it to say I ordered some!!

s

its all a lot cheaper on the website vs amazon...free postage!

ps. already shipped!

Cheers! Excellent prices. Ordered 0.4 and 0.5

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Cheers! Excellent prices. Ordered 0.4 and 0.5

I was going to warn them they might run out of 24 and 26g fairly quickly!!! I am just hoping it is as well annealed as the batch I bought back in February. The packaging is certainly different but I imagine the ductability is a major feature for jewellery types!

 

[TheBloke]

Shipped! Very nice.

 

[tchavei]

No it isn't, at least I don't think so. It's the same as the Ti from 3f, labeled TA1.

Well, I'm not going to argue if it is or not. The owner says it is grade 2 as you can see by the quoted post and transcribed email.

Only problem is that, according to a few real metallurgists and Ti scientists, the most part of the letter is unscientific BS so it's kinda hard know where the lies stop and the truth starts (if any)

Well in my search for Ti wire I emailed Sweet Spot to see why their product is $30 for 50'. Here is a copy of their letter and see what you think. I've already ordered some Unkamen but this stuff sounds interesting. Here it is.
Hi Pat,


The production conforms to ASTM F67. Our test methodology conforms to ISO5832. Our billets start life as certified gr2 medical grade Ti, and then move into our proprietary vacuum annealing process, to remove o2 impurities in the material substrate. I would like to think we are producing the ONLY vape specific Ti on earth, and are sourcing the purest raw Ti possible. We also ultra sonic/stem clean ALL wire in our own facility. ALL re-spooling, cleaning, packing and QC is done in our facility in California.


Our trace elements are below 0.3%.....and our o2 content is below that of GR1 Ti. Gr1 Ti is not ideal, because it lacks other critical trace H, N and C (hydrogen, nitrogen and carbon) as well as Fe (iron) to properly insulate against premature oxidation. Our total iron content is 0.08%....low enough to avoid iron oxide, but high enough to be durable enough for use on a mech.


Hope that answers some questions.


P.S. our wire finish is shiny/clean….but not polished….we avoid polishing as we don’t want the heat from polishing to infuse any surface contamination. On the issue of cost our wire is actually lower in price (per foot) than the industrial Gr1 Ti sold on amazon…..the amazon wire is uncleaned and wholly inadequate for vaping. Spider Silk is just regular off the shelf gr1 Ti. You will also notice quite a few benefits over Ni wire. Number one no NiO2, cleaner taste (no taste actually) greater durability etc etc….



Ari Mouratides, Owner

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[TheBloke]

Well, I'm not going to argue if it is or not. The owner says it is grade 2 as you can see by the quoted post and transcribed email.

Only problem is that, according to a few real metallurgists and Ti scientists, the most part of the letter is unscientific BS so it's kinda hard know where the lies stop and the truth starts (if any)



Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Like Steve you're talking about Sweet Spot Vapour, NOT Sweet Vapes TA1 Titanium Wire 30ft

I shouldn't have edited my reply out to him quoting the link, but I didn't want to leave his original post in the quote to add to confusion - obviously had the opposite effect

Sweet Vapes is just reselling standard Chinese Grade 1 Titanium, the identical spools that I got from 3FVape and ThunderDan has now received from Sweet Vapes.

 

[tchavei]

Like Steve you're talking about Sweet Spot Vapour, NOT Sweet Vapes TA1 Titanium Wire 30ft

I shouldn't have edited my reply out to him quoting the link, but I didn't want to leave his original post in the quote to add to confusion - obviously had the opposite effect

Sweet Vapes is just reselling standard Chinese Grade 1 Titanium, the identical spools that I got from 3FVape and ThunderDan has now received from Sweet Vapes.

Oh ok. Sweet vape, sweet spot vape, stealth vape are all "SV" so confusions are bound to happen.

Sorry :/

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

For any that are vaping Ti on an Evic VT I would be interested how you set up your device. I personally have not found the Ti setting to my liking. I have as a result been running my Velocity with dual 26 ga Ti, 10 wraps measuring .16 ohms and using the Ni setting. I like the vape warm and have the Evic set for 520F and 60W and find this very satisfying. As liquid becomes less in my cotton I will get the expected temp protect message intermittently and more frequently as I continue to vape. I have not ever tried to achieve a really dry wick nor have I done the cotton burn test. As the quality of the vape diminishes I just re-drip. I have found this to be a very good way to function with Ti on my Evic.

I received my Koopor mini today and have set up a tank with an SS coil. It looks interesting and I will report on my experience in another thread. The mini is a beautiful device and I look forward to learning its features. One thing that is problamatic for me personally is the small screen size. Same size as the ver2 SXK Zero mods. My old eyes have a difficult time reading it, even using a magnifying lens.

 

[Croak]

For any that are vaping Ti on an Evic VT I would be interested how you set up your device. I personally have not found the Ti setting to my liking. I have as a result been running my Velocity with dual 26 ga Ti, 10 wraps measuring .16 ohms and using the Ni setting. I like the vape warm and have the Evic set for 520F and 60W and find this very satisfying. As liquid becomes less in my cotton I will get the expected temp protect message intermittently and more frequently as I continue to vape. I have not ever tried to achieve a really dry wick nor have I done the cotton burn test. As the quality of the vape diminishes I just re-drip. I have found this to be a very good way to function with Ti on my Evic.

I received my Koopor mini today and have set up a tank with an SS coil. It looks interesting and I will report on my experience in another thread. The mini is a beautiful device and I look forward to learning its features. One thing that is problamatic for me personally is the small screen size. Same size as the ver2 SXK Zero mods. My old eyes have a difficult time reading it, even using a magnifying lens.

Hmm, the biggest part of your problem may simply be coil size, because to get 0.16 ohms out of dual 26 ga titanium, you're probably running something like a 2.0mm ID. That tiny tiny diameter is limiting the heck out of your wicking, (especially with the eVic's mandatory 30W pre-heat pulse). That's going to cause those coils to reach temps fast and throttle a LOT, resulting in a sub-par vape.

On top of that, the eVic VT is notoriously under-powered in temp mode, showing temps that are 100F or more above actual, i.e. if you want a "true" 400F, you need to set it to 500F. In Nickel mode with a Ti coil, you're probably only really vaping below 400F due to the inaccuracy of the eVic.

I would suggest you try a fresh build with 3.0mm ID coils, using the same 10 wraps, and with tight wicks. That should put you at 0.22 ohms. You'll get substantially more juice to the coils, allowing better vapor production, more flavor, it's far less prone to throttling, and building to a higher resistance will provide more margin for error/more accurate temp control (and a bit better battery life). Start at 400F and work your way up until you're happy with the warmth.

What you're doing with using Nickel mode is simply fooling the eVic. IMHO it's better to fix the build than it is to "hack" the settings.

Quick test, throw the Velocity with your current build on your Koopor in Ti mode (make sure it's cool first!) and set the Koopor around 400-420F, see how that works. The Koopor reads a bit higher than actual too, but not to the extent that the eVic does. If you're still not satisfied, try my build suggestion above.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

Hmm, the biggest part of your problem may simply be coil size, because to get 0.16 ohms out of dual 26 ga titanium, you're probably running something like a 2.0mm ID. That tiny tiny diameter is limiting the heck out of your wicking, (especially with the eVic's mandatory 30W pre-heat pulse). That's going to cause those coils to reach temps fast and throttle a LOT, resulting in a sub-par vape.

On top of that, the eVic VT is notoriously under-powered in temp mode, showing temps that are 100F or more above actual, i.e. if you want a "true" 400F, you need to set it to 500F. In Nickel mode with a Ti coil, you're probably only really vaping below 400F due to the inaccuracy of the eVic.

I would suggest you try a fresh build with 3.0mm ID coils, using the same 10 wraps, and with tight wicks. That should put you at 0.22 ohms. You'll get substantially more juice to the coils, allowing better vapor production, more flavor, it's far less prone to throttling, and building to a higher resistance will provide more margin for error/more accurate temp control (and a bit better battery life). Start at 400F and work your way up until you're happy with the warmth.

What you're doing with using Nickel mode is simply fooling the eVic. IMHO it's better to fix the build than it is to "hack" the settings.

Quick test, throw the Velocity with your current build on your Koopor in Ti mode (make sure it's cool first!) and set the Koopor around 400-420F, see how that works. The Koopor reads a bit higher than actual too, but not to the extent that the eVic does. If you're still not satisfied, try my build suggestion above.

Nope, My Ti coil in the Velocity is 3mm and 10 wraps. It shows steady at .16 ohm. Also the wicking is very tight. I re-wicked after pulsing the coil to dull red and quenching in cold water 5 or 6 times and using an old toothbrush to clean and a small screw driver to strum the coils. The wire looked very good before I rewicked. I had been vaping those coils in the Velocity off and on for about 3 weeks. They are holding uo really well.

I have now been vaping about half a tank of juice on the Koopor mini with a ,5 SS coil reading .55 on the Koopor screen. I am using the TI mode and the SS is holding in TC. Vaping the SS at 440F and that seems good on this device. Had tried as high as 560 but it was too hot at that level. The SS coil is 304 stainless. There is an interesting story on this that I will post another time.

 

[Croak]

Well, 0.16 ohms for a titanium 10 wrap 3mm ID dual coil is problematically low, there's something else going on there.

 

[TheBloke]

@TheotherSteveS good news! I got the Metal Clays Titanium! Fast service.

Bad news! Identically springy to every other Titanium I've tried

The 26G is actually a bit worse than many, about 10%, as bad as Crazy. The 24G is better, 8%, but around the same as Stealth.

Oh well, no worries Always good to stock up anyway. I'd dropped quite low recently, under 100m

 

[TheotherSteveS]

@TheotherSteveS good news! I got the Metal Clays Titanium! Fast service.

Bad news! Identically springy to every other Titanium I've tried

The 26G is actually a bit worse than many, about 10%, as bad as Crazy. The 24G is better, 8%, but around the same as Stealth.

Oh well, no worries Always good to stock up anyway. I'd dropped quite low recently, under 100m

yeah. Sucks. Completely different to the first batch I bought from them...oh well!