Something is different because Kanthal isn't oxidized from the spool, I wondered this also is why I comment.
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Something is different because Kanthal isn't oxidized from the spool, I wondered this also is why I comment.
very big difference snork. The heating procedure is made under special, controlled and specific circumstances (heat, air, catalysis, etc) in a way that doesnt affect the metal. A simple example is that metal doesnt get oxidised during this procedure. Also metal is totally melted and gets cold again and not simply heated. Also the metal gets cold under special circumstances again. We dont just leave it in air, waiting to get cold or put it in a refrigerator.
I'm sorry but all I see from GG reps in this thread is fear mongering and profiteering. With the astronomical prices you and your company charges for what is little more than metal and glass you could at least pay a private laboratory to perform a spectral analysis of PG/VG vaporized using Ti N and K under different conditions and using various wicking materials. Not only would this put the proverbial nail in the coffin but it would also strengthen the vaping communities' position against governmental interference. I would be more than happy to develop the guidelines for such an experiment, until then it is within our rights to demand empirical evidence from a company making seemingly baseless accusations.
first you are wrong, because there is no GG company making money outoff this wire
if you don´t know the facts...!secondly the "seemingly baseless accusations" you talk about , is the stuff you are writing!!!
after all Imeo just tells us his knowlege (with the best intentions) on this new wire, and it is his right to do so , do you agree ???
he gains nothing from the selling of that wire, it was the Idea of someone else, and someone else is selling them...
and you have to agree that we need new inovations in the vaping comunity !!
so please please please think about your posts here, it is getting kind of
Thank you Stan
Zan, what exactly you didnt understand by reading the whole thread? (I hope you read it)
As I wrote any times here and on another forum too, things are simple:
1. We have to use biocompatible materials as you do for your water and food
2. We dont oxidize metals and we dont destroy their surface, so we dont vape small particles that are produced by oxidising them, and we dont inhale these particles which we dont know how harmful they are for our body.
Asking me to make experiments, is like asking me to make some tests to the laboratory of my neighborhood, when big scientistic laboratories have done these tests a lot of years ago and they know already that these materials are safe.
Also, you maybe know that time is a big factor for these tests. We need years to wait and see if a material is biocompatible. These years passed and scientists have their clues. One of them is titanium.
Internet is full of proof if you really want to read.
If your opinion is different, please give me links about oxidation of mesh that shows that its healthy and I will accept it
ps...... as for my prices, they are almost the lowest in the market. You have to check elsewhere for people that overcharge you
Zan, what exactly you didnt understand by reading the whole thread? (I hope you read it)
As I wrote any times here and on another forum too, things are simple:
1. We have to use biocompatible materials as you do for your water and food
2. We dont oxidize metals and we dont destroy their surface, so we dont vape small particles that are produced by oxidising them, and we dont inhale these particles which we dont know how harmful they are for our body.
Asking me to make experiments, is like asking me to make some tests to the laboratory of my neighborhood, when big scientistic laboratories have done these tests a lot of years ago and they know already that these materials are safe.
Also, you maybe know that time is a big factor for these tests. We need years to wait and see if a material is biocompatible. These years passed and scientists have their clues. One of them is titanium.
Internet is full of proof if you really want to read.
If your opinion is different, please give me links about oxidation of mesh that shows that its healthy and I will accept it
ps...... as for my prices, they are almost the lowest in the market. You have to check elsewhere for people that overcharge you
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I think this thread has just gone a bit too far and seems to now be a bashing Imeo thread.
It's quite simple people, you have a choice stick with what you have or try something new. THE CHOICE IS YOURS no one is putting a gun to your head. If you don't like what you see, tip your hat and move along.
This is a forum remember where people can express THEIR VIEWS, they're not gospel, they're THEIR VIEWS
It's quite simple people, you have a choice stick with what you have or try something new. THE CHOICE IS YOURS no one is putting a gun to your head. If you don't like what you see, tip your hat and move along.
This is a forum remember where people can express THEIR VIEWS, they're not gospel, they're THEIR VIEWS
But really, the big question is when will we see Titanium wire from the reel at ESG?
But really, the big question is when will we see Titanium wire from the reel at ESG?
In about 1 week
thats what is happening all the time when GG line introduce something new on e-cig world Captain. But the best thing is that after some time all people use our techniques 
Hi Zan,
why dont you and all the other people who cares ask for analysis from the companies which produce Mesh , kanthal , nichrome?
Why do you ask it from Imeo ? he is a modder not a company which produce wires and sell everyday thousend of kilometers.
He simply let you know his opinion and what he read about all this, nothing more, for me again with wrong passion like you are all his chields and he has to protect you like a Father
In my opinion he have to say nothing anymore and let you do what ever you want.
In my opinion he will be right one more time and after that the big thank you from all the people which are again him is nothing, even not a word like Imeo was right guys.
No one of all this huge companies who makes all this wires and mesh have publish any analysis why? i really dont know.
Here in Greece we have in our forum a very good Doctor and his research team and they want to start now make a analysis of all this wires and the cost is over 70.000 USD we all try now to find this money so he can make this analysis.
His name is Dr. Farsalinos and until now he made a lot of analysis about e-cig like the last one about diacetil in flavors.
So wait a little bit and we will have this analysis soon.
Vassilis, have you thought of some crowdfunding solutions to get the 70k USD? I'll be more than happy to participate to fund this study, and I'm sure many other vapers as well. Dr Farsalinos is a credible figure, and as consumers, we NEED this kind of guys to come with vaping specific studies.
Keep us informed
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Spectroscopic analysis of the vapors emitted by Kanthal, Nichrome and Titanium wires would not give the frightened among us the conclusive answers they are looking for, because it will only reveal their chemical composition and completely ignore the aspects of solid components (particles) in the vapor. Analysis of vapor chemistry alone may not be enough to be sure.
The size of particles such as metal oxides has a major influence on their bioactivity. For example, titanium dioxide nanoparticles are known to cause damage to DNA (i.e. they cause tumors) and they can penetrate your lungs quite easily. Similar effects are not known from chromium oxides. You can look it up yourself, it is all on the internet.
So I do not fully trust the repeated statements that 'titanium is biocompatibel' as it may turn out to be the opposite in this context.
But to be honest I don't care about all the 'big dangers' talked about in this thread. Not only is the discussion far too simplistic for my taste, but I also believe that the levels of exposure (the amounts of metal oxides and their effect on the human body) are highly exaggerated. In certain amounts water may be toxic for the human body too, it is all on the internet, but are you afraid to drink water now?
Personally I like to vape from a freshly coiled piece of Kanthal wire, with a fresh glass of water on the side. I wonder which of the two is most dangerous..
The size of particles such as metal oxides has a major influence on their bioactivity. For example, titanium dioxide nanoparticles are known to cause damage to DNA (i.e. they cause tumors) and they can penetrate your lungs quite easily. Similar effects are not known from chromium oxides. You can look it up yourself, it is all on the internet.
So I do not fully trust the repeated statements that 'titanium is biocompatibel' as it may turn out to be the opposite in this context.
But to be honest I don't care about all the 'big dangers' talked about in this thread. Not only is the discussion far too simplistic for my taste, but I also believe that the levels of exposure (the amounts of metal oxides and their effect on the human body) are highly exaggerated. In certain amounts water may be toxic for the human body too, it is all on the internet, but are you afraid to drink water now?
Personally I like to vape from a freshly coiled piece of Kanthal wire, with a fresh glass of water on the side. I wonder which of the two is most dangerous..
Do we? Or does that oxide stay put on the wire?
If you dry-burn titanium wire above a certain temperature, absolutely. And it doesn't adhere to the remaining metallic titanium very well at all.
And yes, I understand that Imeo advocates never dry-burning to begin with.
Actually I do torch my wires sometimes, but as long as I use Kanthal I do not have to worry about titanium dioxide nanoparticles..
So far I have made two coils with the Ti ready wires. Both turned out really good.
The first coil was on Oddy with 3mm silica and 1.5Ti ready wire. I wrapped coil as normal around wick. Removed two strands from the channel on the metal side and removed one strand from the ceramic side. Wicks good with no flooding. Taste is clean with no hint of metallic. This setup was not as "hot" as the 1.5 ribbon wires I normally use. I had to puff it up a bit to get a good hit.
The second coil was on Ithaka with 2mm silica and 1.0Ti ready wire. I wrapped coil around two 2mm wicks and did not remove any extra strands. This setup wicks good and taste is just as clean as the 1.5Ti. This is slightly more "hot" than the 1.5 ribbon wires, big hits with great taste. This is the more preferable setup for me. I really like this one.
In general the wires were a little easier to work with than the old ready wires. Coils held shape without having to wrap too tight. Coils were easy to adjust with a small screwdriver to get wraps evenly spaced. I have not used either one of these long enough to see how long they will last. My first impression is that I like these new wires a lot.
Thanks ESG and Imeo and whoever else for getting us new and innovative things to try out. BTW last week when shopping at ESG I had such a big smile when I saw Esteregion-in stock, GGTS-in stock, Stealth-in stock, JGG-in stock. It was such a beautiful day for all of us. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
The first coil was on Oddy with 3mm silica and 1.5Ti ready wire. I wrapped coil as normal around wick. Removed two strands from the channel on the metal side and removed one strand from the ceramic side. Wicks good with no flooding. Taste is clean with no hint of metallic. This setup was not as "hot" as the 1.5 ribbon wires I normally use. I had to puff it up a bit to get a good hit.
The second coil was on Ithaka with 2mm silica and 1.0Ti ready wire. I wrapped coil around two 2mm wicks and did not remove any extra strands. This setup wicks good and taste is just as clean as the 1.5Ti. This is slightly more "hot" than the 1.5 ribbon wires, big hits with great taste. This is the more preferable setup for me. I really like this one.
In general the wires were a little easier to work with than the old ready wires. Coils held shape without having to wrap too tight. Coils were easy to adjust with a small screwdriver to get wraps evenly spaced. I have not used either one of these long enough to see how long they will last. My first impression is that I like these new wires a lot.
Thanks ESG and Imeo and whoever else for getting us new and innovative things to try out. BTW last week when shopping at ESG I had such a big smile when I saw Esteregion-in stock, GGTS-in stock, Stealth-in stock, JGG-in stock. It was such a beautiful day for all of us. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
cmoke and Ros, you have to worry a lot about kanthal oxides and all metal oxides in general. You did your homework about titanium, now do it for kanthal and nichrome too and you will see what you will find.
And if you dont worry about oxides then better cook your meals in rusted pans and keep your water in rusted bottles )
Kanthal and nichrome are not biocompatible materials. Imagine how bad they become when you destroy threm by burning them.
Burning metals is plain silly and I suggest to you and to all people to stop doing that before FDA does it for you and also finds a way to stop vaping at all
And if you dont worry about oxides then better cook your meals in rusted pans and keep your water in rusted bottles
) Kanthal and nichrome are not biocompatible materials. Imagine how bad they become when you destroy threm by burning them.
Burning metals is plain silly and I suggest to you and to all people to stop doing that before FDA does it for you and also finds a way to stop vaping at all
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Imeo, I can tell you that NOBODY tells me what to worry about! Worrying about assumptions is for weak people.
And yes, I did my homework and found all the information on the internet that makes you worry so much. But they tell us nothing about the true risk of vaping with torched Kanthal (or titanium) wires at all. Your comparison with rusted pans are misplaced metaphores, or in the best scenario it is just some juvenile attempt of comparing two different things scientifically.
Funny that you are the one who mentions the FDA. You should know better. The FDA does not need scientific proof to ban vaping, they only need people like you who spread unmotivated allegations over the vaping community. You know very well that your assertions will remain unproven for many years to come, and in the meantime serving the lobbies against vaping very well.
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And yes, I did my homework and found all the information on the internet that makes you worry so much. But they tell us nothing about the true risk of vaping with torched Kanthal (or titanium) wires at all. Your comparison with rusted pans are misplaced metaphores, or in the best scenario it is just some juvenile attempt of comparing two different things scientifically.
Funny that you are the one who mentions the FDA. You should know better. The FDA does not need scientific proof to ban vaping, they only need people like you who spread unmotivated allegations over the vaping community. You know very well that your assertions will remain unproven for many years to come, and in the meantime serving the lobbies against vaping very well.
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Titanium is safe and kanthal is a death trap, the proof is out there on the internet guys.
Yet nobody is linking this conclusive proof, that's apparently EVERYWHERE.
Sounds legit.
Yet nobody is linking this conclusive proof, that's apparently EVERYWHERE.
Sounds legit.
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