Too Many Jan Join Dates Asking About Sub Ohm

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Myrany

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"which battery for my sub ohm build?" Tells me right there that they have not done their homework. No need for a post count check.

"I am having trouble getting flavor from .3 ohm build" would send up red flags for me just by being .3 ohm. I would be asking lots of questions and the persons answers would tell me where to go from there. Again no need for a post count check.

Look I am not on the attack here. I have just seen far too many people who have vaped (sometimes for years) for a very long time and just never had a need to post sooner. Content just tells me alot more than join dates or post counts.
 

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Something has definitely changed in the vaping world since I started and I also notice it in the new members' forum.

Just this morning I came across 3 different threads started by people who just started vaping (and maybe one of them hadn't even started but only wanted to learn to build "cool" coils) wanting to know more about getting the best cloud &/or wrapping more interesting coils. These people were clearly not interested in getting the best vape, finding their "sweet spot" &/or getting off cigarettes. This was all about sport for them & it does have me a bit concerned.
 

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Something has definitely changed in the vaping world since I started and I also notice it in the new members' forum.

Just this morning I came across 3 different threads started by people who just started vaping (and maybe one of them hadn't even started but only wanted to learn to build "cool" coils) wanting to know more about getting the best cloud &/or wrapping more interesting coils. These people were clearly not interested in getting the best vape, finding their "sweet spot" &/or getting off cigarettes. This was all about sport for them & it does have me a bit concerned.

It's the younger crowd, and the club crowd, it's the cool thing to do in clubs now, from what i'm seeing. It's a fad, and one that hopefully will pass soon.
 

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But they still DRIVE like they have that, and can end up with this
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They want this but don't have the money or the know how.

 

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I saw someone (a vet) post this week something like: Where IS everone? They were asking about not seeing the "usual" or their friends-list faces. I've seen the same thing and its only recently.... last few weeks. One vet has, for the first time, stepped over to "OUTSIDE" for the first time and started a thread stating why but has pretty much disappeared from the "General" board. A few of my friends-list are still posting on the specialized boards I don't go on. I'm still here on "General" but I miss those faces. I have a few ideas on what's happening....at least it is with me. I'm posting less and less these days too. I used to feel like I was helping and paying it forward but now it just feels like I'm wasting my energy and I'll leave it at that except to say that I did the same thing offline at a certain point. Feeling this way comes at the same time there's so much talk about banning, etc., with apathetic attitudes. Some of the "don't tell me what to do" crowd and those passing out info they've obtained just skimming will just have to suffer the sore throats or maybe blow their faces off before they get it. I know the next hurdle is going to come with people complaining about not being able to buy their stuff from their favorite online vendors. Then the temptation to say "I told ya so" will prevent me posting too. In case it looks that way, I didn't mean to go OT. I think some is venting or sharing honest feelings about what's happening but its across the board, not just sub-ohming. As more and more people take up vaping, the same thing is going to happen here that happened to the whole net as computers got more popular (cheaper.) Some of us remember what it used to be compared to now. Some are happy with what it has become. Perhaps we're seeing the beginning stages with vaping.
 

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I saw someone (a vet) post this week something like: Where IS everone? They were asking about not seeing the "usual" or their friends-list faces. I've seen the same thing and its only recently.... last few weeks. One vet has, for the first time, stepped over to "OUTSIDE" for the first time and started a thread stating why but has pretty much disappeared from the "General" board. A few of my friends-list are still posting on the specialized boards I don't go on. I'm still here on "General" but I miss those faces. I have a few ideas on what's happening....at least it is with me. I'm posting less and less these days too. I used to feel like I was helping and paying it forward but now it just feels like I'm wasting my energy and I'll leave it at that except to say that I did the same thing offline at a certain point. Feeling this way comes at the same time there's so much talk about banning, etc., with apathetic attitudes. Some of the "don't tell me what to do" crowd and those passing out info they've obtained just skimming will just have to suffer the sore throats or maybe blow their faces off before they get it. I know the next hurdle is going to come with people complaining about not being able to buy their stuff from their favorite online vendors. Then the temptation to say "I told ya so" will prevent me posting too. In case it looks that way, I didn't mean to go OT. I think some is venting or sharing honest feelings about what's happening but its across the board, not just sub-ohming. As more and more people take up vaping, the same thing is going to happen here that happened to the whole net as computers got more popular (cheaper.) Some of us remember what it used to be compared to now. Some are happy with what it has become. Perhaps we're seeing the beginning stages with vaping.

I love a good "I told you so".

I post and don't post here in spurts. If I posted here all the time I'd go broke.
 

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Oh man, 11 pages of good discussion.

First off, let me start by saying that I am all for safety. I "dove into the deep end" about a month into my vaping experience. Yes, because of this forum and a lot of YouTube video's I did it as safely as I could at the time and made sure that along with the mech and RBA, I also bought a 30a battery, a DMM, and even a OHMs law app for my phone.

It erks me when people lable the folk who prefer sub-ohm vaping as "cloud chasers." I build at sub-ohm becuase for ME its a more flavorful, warmer, and denser vape. The same juice taste better, to me, on my twisted 28g microcoil at .6 ohms than it does the microil at 1.4ohms that I use with my MVP2. Its not about "cloud chasing" for me its about it being a better vaping experience for me. And I would venture to say that I'm not the only one who feels the same way.

Other than being labled as a troubled youth who is only in it for the clouds, I agree that proper safety should be the number one things on everyones mind who is using a mechanical mod with no sort of regulation. Believe it or not, non sub-ohm builds can be just as dangerous on a mechanical mod. A hard short doesn't care what ohm you're vaping at.
 

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I have to say something. I see a bad moon rising for us as a community. I keep seeing more and more new comers to vaping that show up on the boards asking on how to improve their tricro coil, micro, nano, uber sub ohm build, with no idea what they are doing. They don't know the amp limit of their battery or even why that's important. They just know they saw some guy on YouTube making clouds in his garage and they want to do the same.

i used to think people were over reacting when some guy would show up asking about subohming, ad the entire thread would ALL CAPS battery safety advice. But it's getting more and more common that new vapers are jumping straight into .2 ohm builds and no idea how serious of a risk it is.

If the FDA and big brother have their sights set on the vaping community now, just wait till "young man disfigured by electronic cigarette" is on the morning news.

What can we do about this? Is there anything? I see 'sign this petition' threads day in and day out, but what can we do about this. Let's kick it around as I feel it is certainly thread worthy.

This is EXACTLY what I have said, a few times, and in a few ways on this board ... but to no avail, because the numbers just keep increasing. This new generation of vapers seem to lack self awareness, are shamelessly ignorant, and IMO are creating a very unattractive image for this community.

For all those viewing this thread, I ask you to take a trip over to you tube, and from the perspective of a non-vaper, or legislative official, spend a half an hour or so viewing, not necessarily sub ohm vids, but review/demonstration videos of "obvious" new generation vapers ... You would have to be blind not to see how UGLY, and unappealing the image of vaping is becoming.

The blank, almost trance like look in the eyes, the strange, and contorted faces that are being made while inhaling/exhaling, the hideous "mech claw", and most especially the barely intelligible commentaries that accompany them .. the majority of them don't even seem like fully developed Humans. And I don't say this to be cruel, or for shock and awe, I am simply calling it exactly as I see it ... And if this is what I see as a member of the vape community, I can only imagine how this appears to a non-vaper/anti-vaper.

Recently, I commented in another thread that watching an older woman smoking is one thing that prompted me to finally want to quit smoking ... because it looked so unattractive, and so I felt like that must be what I look like also. I can honestly say that if I was still a smoker, and anyone of these "new vapers" is what I had as an initial impression of what vaping is, I swear on my life, I am POSITIVE that I would not be vaping today.

While vaping is most certainly not, in it's essence, at all about a "look", no one can argue that when it comes to "perception" in the eyes of non-vapers, and legislative officials alike, the "Image" of vaping factors in heavily. This new generation of vapers is doing very little to create, and further a positive image for the vaping community, when in fact they are annihilating it.

Sub ohming IS NOT the problem, unfortunately it's appeal to the young, the ignorant, the ill nurtured, and psychologically under developed IS.

In spite of the wealth of information on safety, and how to's that ECF, and the like provide, you cannot teach Living Intelligence. For all of the sound information, and instruction that is available to all "would be" vapers, they all have the ability to pick and chose what information they pay attention to, and absorb .... and right now, big shiny, massive cloud producing things ARE WINNING, while knowledge, intelligence, sound judgement, and responsibility is losing... and I am not sure how much we (members) can do about that.

But there is something that the administrators every vape related website can do ... How about restricting all information, posts, and discussions related to "advanced vaping" in the New Members forum? No posts allowed pertaining to rebuilding, mechanical mods, and sub ohming. Only information related to beginner level, plug n play electronic cigarettes allowed. Furthermore, how about restricting new members access to the parts of this forum related to advanced vaping techniques, and equipment/gear?

And if, and when a new member wants to move into more advanced techniques in vaping, their next level of access is to a "how to section" of the forum, where they observe, and learn about advanced techniques before doing. And when a new/intermediate member wants to gain access to advanced related topics and discussions, they have to pass a basic aptitude test in order to do so .

How about we stop awarding "veteran status" to those who have simply been a member here for a year, and award it instead to those who have actually earned that status based on knowledge, understanding, and a demonstrative contribution to this community? ... How about no longer advancing a member from full member status to ultra member status based on post count alone? Just because someone posts a lot, does not mean they know a lot ... What is "ultra" about having 4,000 posts within a few months time?? The only thing that tells me is that the member has a lot time on their hands, which was not necessarily well spent ... just sayin.

This suggestion is more about "responsibility", than it is control. Being responsible for not only "what" information is being put out there, but also for "how" that is being done. Being able to identify who is who on this board, based on demonstrated knowledge, and understanding. One thing I have learned in my lifetime is that regardless of the ideal of "freedom", everyone is not genuinely capable of the level of responsibility, and self management that true Freedom requires... and not every "credentialed" individual is actually worthy of the credentials their name and image bears ... George W. Bush Jr anyone?

My essential point is, we as members of this vaping community can either keep talking about, and rehashing our concerns regarding new vapers, the dangers of their ignorance, and the poor image, and shadow it is casting over this community, or we can decide to do something about it. And if WE are not going to really do something to stop it, change it, fix it ... then we need to just stop talking about it.
 

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I have nothing against advice given by vets or the newest of new noobs, except when it only shows a gross misunderstanding of how Ohms Law operates and effects of the variables.

Often said, "there's nothing like a 0.5Ω build on a mech mod" :facepalm:
So you have a 3.7V mod, 0.5Ω = ~27 watts at about 7.4 amps. A 1.5Ω build at 6.0V on a regulated mod (with safety circuitry build in) draws 4 amps and produces 27 watts. :ohmy: All that is necessary is any of the dozens of mods that can do 6.0V and 4 amps. There's nothing magical about a sub-ohm coil, except it will give a high wattage with a very low voltage. Higher voltages will provide higher wattage, and the safety circuits can handle the load.

The other misunderstanding of engineering concepts I read.
Often said.."you'll be only drawing 7-8 amps and your battery is rated for 10-12 amps"...:facepalm:
Any factor of safety is thrown to the winds...(google the term:))
If a battery is rated at 30 amps, a factor of safety of 3 (not an extreme by any stretch) the highest operating amperage would be 10 amps. When you see a road bridge sign 10,000 lbs Limit, do you think the engineers figure it would collapse with 10,001 lbs or they figure it will support 30,00 lbs so limit the trucks to 10,000 lbs. Your car tires are rated for maximum inflation, do they blow up if you go a pound or two over...if so I haven't heard about all the explosive tires, when the max is figured a factor of safety is figured in.

Too often the calculations done for battery loads, permissible level of low ohms, maximum amps, no factor of safety is being included. Just use this Ohms Law calculator to see how low of a sub-ohm coil you can build, plug in your battery rated amperage and go, no considerations of the battery age, increasing internal resistance, how many times it's been stressed with rapid discharge....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 

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I don't necessarily agree with everything posted, but I do like the aptitude test idea.

I see posts like, " so I pulled some batteries out of a laptop's battery case, they don't have any markings, but they are 18650's and I bought a mech and RBA...can someone tell me what the best number of wraps to use for a sub-ohm build is?"

Yes that was based off of an actual post. I think that the cloud chasing started with Filipino vids of "Bakuro" wire (ribbon Kanthal).

I'm getting huge flavorful clouds from a Kayfun at 3.3 ohms/4.2 volts. It's called holding the button down. Some of these kids need to learn to try that first. :)
 
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Oh man, 11 pages of good discussion.

First off, let me start by saying that I am all for safety. I "dove into the deep end" about a month into my vaping experience. Yes, because of this forum and a lot of YouTube video's I did it as safely as I could at the time and made sure that along with the mech and RBA, I also bought a 30a battery, a DMM, and even a OHMs law app for my phone.

It erks me when people lable the folk who prefer sub-ohm vaping as "cloud chasers." I build at sub-ohm becuase for ME its a more flavorful, warmer, and denser vape. The same juice taste better, to me, on my twisted 28g microcoil at .6 ohms than it does the microil at 1.4ohms that I use with my MVP2. Its not about "cloud chasing" for me its about it being a better vaping experience for me. And I would venture to say that I'm not the only one who feels the same way.

Other than being labled as a troubled youth who is only in it for the clouds, I agree that proper safety should be the number one things on everyones mind who is using a mechanical mod with no sort of regulation. Believe it or not, non sub-ohm builds can be just as dangerous on a mechanical mod. A hard short doesn't care what ohm you're vaping at.

So...your problem is the misuse of the term "cloud chasing"?
 

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The whole sub ohm deal looks like elitism to me, which appeals to a younger crowd. "OHHH LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO!" is really the only message coming off of this. It stinks of immaturity, elitism and asshattery.

Well, if you look at it that way, it's the same thing as a beer .....

I look at it as just another legitimate way of inhaling nicotine.

Unfortunately, the overlap of the two is where the damage can occur.
 

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I have nothing against advice given by vets or the newest of new noobs, except when it only shows a gross misunderstanding of how Ohms Law operates and effects of the variables.

Often said, "there's nothing like a 0.5Ω build on a mech mod" :facepalm:
So you have a 3.7V mod, 0.5Ω = ~27 watts at about 7.4 amps. A 1.5Ω build at 6.0V on a regulated mod (with safety circuitry build in) draws 4 amps and produces 27 watts. :ohmy: All that is necessary is any of the dozens of mods that can do 6.0V and 4 amps. There's nothing magical about a sub-ohm coil, except it will give a high wattage with a very low voltage. Higher voltages will provide higher wattage, and the safety circuits can handle the load.

The other misunderstanding of engineering concepts I read.
Often said.."you'll be only drawing 7-8 amps and your battery is rated for 10-12 amps"...:facepalm:
Any factor of safety is thrown to the winds...(google the term:))
If a battery is rated at 30 amps, a factor of safety of 3 (not an extreme by any stretch) the highest operating amperage would be 10 amps. When you see a road bridge sign 10,000 lbs Limit, do you think the engineers figure it would collapse with 10,001 lbs or they figure it will support 30,00 lbs so limit the trucks to 10,000 lbs. Your car tires are rated for maximum inflation, do they blow up if you go a pound or two over...if so I haven't heard about all the explosive tires, when the max is figured a factor of safety is figured in.

Too often the calculations done for battery loads, permissible level of low ohms, maximum amps, no factor of safety is being included. Just use this Ohms Law calculator to see how low of a sub-ohm coil you can build, plug in your battery rated amperage and go, no considerations of the battery age, increasing internal resistance, how many times it's been stressed with rapid discharge....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

The amp ratings also assumes continuous draw that vapers never reach, correct?
 
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