Todays headline .. "E-Cigarette User Punches Out Man As Fight Ensues Over Non_Smoking Sign" .. [/QUOTE said:
Took my son to the Zoo today with my PV and...
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For you maybe. I chose not to let my vaping be lumped in with smoking. We dont need rules just because its that simple.....
I want to thank WarHawk for sharing that personal story; I think it paints a picture that puts things in a broader perspective (which is good!). And no, I wasn't directing my comment at you! 
There's a time and place for violence, but I think most (if not all) will agree that initiating a fight in an argument about e-cigs, is over the top, regardless of the venue.
Buzz; I'd have fired you, not for holding to your opinion that vaping is OK, but for disregarding the rules. It's unfortunate that there wasn't a way to compromise with this employer; would they have accepted a cig-a-like? (would they have noticed?)
There's a time and place for violence, but I think most (if not all) will agree that initiating a fight in an argument about e-cigs, is over the top, regardless of the venue.
Buzz; I'd have fired you, not for holding to your opinion that vaping is OK, but for disregarding the rules. It's unfortunate that there wasn't a way to compromise with this employer; would they have accepted a cig-a-like? (would they have noticed?)
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I've got to say it....
The difference between a MARINE and a soldier right their haha.
So being raised by a long line of Marines I miss the days of you act like a fool you get treated like a fool, Would I every assault anyone for words-Nope, unless aimed at a child then maybe. My Dad raised me like a Marine, So sometimes people need alittle attitude re-adjustment but I would trust my life in the hands of a Marine without knowing them for a second- Codes of a Marine will only be understood by the few and the chosen, unless you are a Marine you will never understand. Thanks you Warhawk for your time and everyone on this thread owes you a thank you! Also thanks Uncle willie for you time as well, it means alot to people that truely enjoy their freedoms!
I once watched my Force Recon brother make a grown man apologize for smacking his wife in public, tears, blood and apologizing was what was needed to teach a valuable lesson- Never put your hands on a child or woman. Does that mean everyone would agree with the way it was handled....Nope but he got his point across and everyone that watched clapped and I can assure you if the cops would have shown up my bro would have had nothing at all happen.
My family is also Italian.... So I was raised on the "you didn't see anything, and if you narc your gonna take an .... whoopin as it is not your business" DO I agree with that, Yes as if it does not concern you keep moving along.
Bottom line....America has a diverse group of people some that are PC some that are not. If everyone minded their own business then it would not be a problem, Just not the case in today's America, I guess it's like peoples stance on Clones lol. Everyone has an opinion and no one will ever agree on anything, "Sounds like life to me"
I just have to say that the australian video posted, that guy handled it like a champ and it made my day- Much like others opinions I CCW for the simple fact that I don't trust anyone on this planet and am always prepared for the worst and hope for the best! Strapped
The difference between a MARINE and a soldier right their haha.
So being raised by a long line of Marines I miss the days of you act like a fool you get treated like a fool, Would I every assault anyone for words-Nope, unless aimed at a child then maybe. My Dad raised me like a Marine, So sometimes people need alittle attitude re-adjustment but I would trust my life in the hands of a Marine without knowing them for a second- Codes of a Marine will only be understood by the few and the chosen, unless you are a Marine you will never understand. Thanks you Warhawk for your time and everyone on this thread owes you a thank you! Also thanks Uncle willie for you time as well, it means alot to people that truely enjoy their freedoms!
I once watched my Force Recon brother make a grown man apologize for smacking his wife in public, tears, blood and apologizing was what was needed to teach a valuable lesson- Never put your hands on a child or woman. Does that mean everyone would agree with the way it was handled....Nope but he got his point across and everyone that watched clapped and I can assure you if the cops would have shown up my bro would have had nothing at all happen.
My family is also Italian.... So I was raised on the "you didn't see anything, and if you narc your gonna take an .... whoopin as it is not your business" DO I agree with that, Yes as if it does not concern you keep moving along.
Bottom line....America has a diverse group of people some that are PC some that are not. If everyone minded their own business then it would not be a problem, Just not the case in today's America, I guess it's like peoples stance on Clones lol. Everyone has an opinion and no one will ever agree on anything, "Sounds like life to me"
I just have to say that the australian video posted, that guy handled it like a champ and it made my day- Much like others opinions I CCW for the simple fact that I don't trust anyone on this planet and am always prepared for the worst and hope for the best! Strapped
I want to thank WarHawk for sharing that personal story; I think it paints a picture that puts things in a broader perspective (which is good!). And no, I wasn't directing my comment at you! you
There's a time and place for violence, but I think most (if not all) will agree that initiating a fight in an argument about e-cigs, is over the top, regardless of the venue.
And your construction project would of went way over budget because you'd of had no Iron workers and when you explained to the city counsel why you wasted millions of dollar's because you did nit want people to smoke fake cigarettes on your job Id see you the next day at the unemployment office with me.
Rules need to be reasonable and have merit. To many people follow and enforce rules when they know they serve no good reason its to bad so many are quick to do so.
Buzz; I'd have fired you, not for holding to your opinion that vaping is OK, but for disregarding the rules. It's unfortunate that there wasn't a way to compromise with this employer; would they have accepted a cig-a-like?
And your construction project would of went way over budget because you'd of had no Iron workers and when you explained to the city counsel why you wasted millions of dollar's because you did not want people to smoke fake cigarettes on your job Id see you the next day at the unemployment office with me.
Rules need to be reasonable and have merit. To many people follow and enforce rules when they know they serve no good reason its to bad so many are quick to do so.
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I have said in many, many threads that I hope each and every day that PV use will become socially acceptable .. however, I also know that only 20% of the USA population smokes analogs .. so, the majority of the population are non-smokers and have been conditioned repeatedly over many years to view the analog smoker as the addicted, health killing, slow suicide nitwit who just keeps at it and subjects others to their own nasty habit ..
In my opinion .. if we as e-cig users try to ignore the analog rules until definitive information has been accepted by the 80% that don't smoke, then we are simply asking the ANTZ to put out propaganda that will hurt our cause, not help it ..
While I would like to see open public e-cig use and acceptance, there is also the question of where the line should be drawn .. ?? Hitting a Provari while your child is being delivered may be a bit over the line, you think .. ?? Or not .. ??
Not looking for thanks...a little respect maybe...but I didn't serve for the "thanks"
If you are treating it the same as smoking they will treat it as so.
If I am outside in a non smoking area, with a respectful distance from others guess what I'm doing?
I fully understand that .. however, in my case, I am not so much in need of a puff that I must do it whenever and where ever ..
I agree with you mostly Im not even saying punching someone is right but Im also not above doing it. I will not vape at a restaurant. I will vape in a store in a deserted isle if Im so inclined.
If Im vaping outside and someone lets me know it is bothering them I will move. Its fairly easy to get along Ive had very few bad encounters.
But Im sorry If I were in a deserted parking lot and some guy starts yelling and ranting at me getting in my face he might walk away with a fat lip.
If we let our selves be herded in with smoking it will be very hard to change that. I say nip it in the bud before it becomes a lost cause. I have news for you ANTZ will do what they do no matter what we do. They've all ready proven this to over and over.
Who said anything about whenever and where ever? I'm referring being out side in public, respectfully stepping away from others. I won't be going to a designated smoking area.
Backing a debate with logic rather than emotion has always been proven to be the most effective ..
By your own admission now, you prefer not to be seen using the PV in a public place .. what makes stealth use any different than no use at all in non-smoking areas .. ?? If you truly want to "nip it in the bud" why not just do it everywhere .. ??
And it would be quite rare these days that a parking lot would not be under surveillance camera ..
Im not referring just myself. You don't need to treat yourself like that either.
None the less, I respect your opinion and will stop now.
I'll just leave this here
With all that "consent of the governed" thing
With all that "consent of the governed" thing
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I did not say I dont use a PV in Public I said I wont vape in a restaurant. I would not want some vapor blowing his stuff all over me while Im eating so it goes to say I would not do it to others. I will vape out side in public I will not go to a smoking area. The store isle just because I can If a tree falls in the woods and no ones their?
You can try to twist it in to an unreasonable point if you like but if we let them lump us in with smoking next follows regulation then sin taxes.
You go right ahead and follow the rules you will have less friction and you can just do your thing and no one will bother you right?
Let me know how that works out for you It seems to me to much just following the rules has got us in to a pretty crummy situation. I think the people just making the rules are hoping everyone follows them blindly with out question It makes their control that much easier to gain.
Using a Heinlein quote that came out of a novel, "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" ..
Heinlein, a definite Libertarian, grounded his philosophy in the concept of self-responsible individuals .. which is exactly my point .. we need to be self-responsible individuals when it comes to public PV Use .. otherwise, we will have the rules written for us and they will not be to our liking ..
Heinlein, a definite Libertarian, grounded his philosophy in the concept of self-responsible individuals .. which is exactly my point .. we need to be self-responsible individuals when it comes to public PV Use .. otherwise, we will have the rules written for us and they will not be to our liking ..
Its all ready happening if you haven't noticed
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