Took my son to the Zoo today with my PV and...

[Uncle Willie]

I did not say I dont use a PV in Public I said I wont vape in a restaurant. I would not want some vapor blowing his stuff all over me while Im eating so it goes to say I would not do it to others. I will vape out side in public I will not go to a smoking area. The store isle just because I can If a tree falls in the woods and no ones their?

You can try to twist it in to an unreasonable point if you like but if we let them lump us in with smoking next follows regulation then sin taxes.

You go right ahead and follow the rules you will have less friction and you can just do your thing and no one will bother you right?

Let me know how that works out for you It seems to me to much just following the rules has got us in to a pretty crummy situation. I think the people just making the rules are hoping everyone follows them blindly with out question It makes their control that much easier to gain.

If you will please keep in mind the thread posts I've made and the context, that would be great .. 80% of the population don't smoke .. they are going to write the rules for you whether you like it or not .. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow .. but they will ..

I am defending public PV use here and somehow you're missing the whole point .. yet you admit you'll do it when no one sees you in a public place like a grocery store ..

We as e-cig users made the switch because we could not quit the analogs and along came what we believe to be a safer / healthier alternative .. not because we had to go to a smoking zone to light up ..

I'm in your corner .. and you can use your PV whenever and where ever you want as far as I'm concerned .. because I know it's OK .. the PUBLIC at large is still not educated and 80% are against you ..

Which is why, I have said previously, why are we surprised when someone says "You're in a no smoking Zone" .. ??

That's the whole point of this thread ..

 

[tearose50]

Applying all anti-smoking laws to vaping, even on a personal level, is extreme conduct and should be reconsidered by any vaper who has that view.

In my area of the world, the laws are so prohibitive it would mean I pretty much could only vape in my own home, the hookah bar and the cigar shop until the local B&M gets a license to allow smoking. And, I couldn’t stealth vape either, even at a friend’s rented apartment.

And, forget about travel. Couldn’t vape in a rent a car or a hotel or motel rooms, much less most airports.

Applying manners and judgment is something we can do, and should do in our life. Taunting someone with what’s “legal” is not good judgment, IMHO – ie --- Blowing a big cloud in someone’s face.

In the OP’s scenario – it sure appears it was the ANTZ who had the poor judgment, not the vaper.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Applying all anti-smoking laws to vaping, even on a personal level, is extreme conduct and should be reconsidered by any vaper who has that view.

In my area of the world, the laws are so prohibitive it would mean I pretty much could only vape in my own home, the hookah bar and the cigar shop until the local B&M gets a license to allow smoking. And, I couldn’t stealth vape either, even at a friend’s rented apartment.

And, forget about travel. Couldn’t vape in a rent a car or a hotel or motel rooms, much less most airports.

Applying manners and judgment is something we can do, and should do in our life. Taunting someone with what’s “legal” is not good judgment, IMHO – ie --- Blowing a big cloud in someone’s face.

In the OP’s scenario – it sure appears it was the ANTZ who had the poor judgment, not the vaper.

Although I don't disagree in any way, the question is ..

"If the Public is generally uninformed on PV use, how can one using a PV in a designated Non-Smoking area / prohibited Smoking Area avoid the appearance of breaking that prohibition by blowing out what appears to be smoke .. ?? And, if you are using a cig-a-like, does that not even compound the issue further .. ?? "

The point I keep trying to make here is simple .. we look like smokers .. !!

 

[BigBen2k]

Just for giggles, what would a "no vaping" sign look like?

 

[SissySpike]

If you will please keep in mind the thread posts I've made and the context, that would be great .. 80% of the population don't smoke .. they are going to write the rules for you whether you like it or not .. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow .. but they will ..

I am defending public PV use here and somehow you're missing the whole point .. yet you admit you'll do it when no one sees you in a public place like a grocery store ..

We as e-cig users made the switch because we could not quit the analogs and along came what we believe to be a safer / healthier alternative .. not because we had to go to a smoking zone to light up ..

I'm in your corner .. and you can use your PV whenever and where ever you want as far as I'm concerned .. because I know it's OK .. the PUBLIC at large is still not educated and 80% are against you ..

Which is why, I have said previously, why are we surprised when someone says "You're in a no smoking Zone" .. ??

That's the whole point of this thread ..

Ok to answer your question I am not surprised I kind of feel its my job to educate them

Yea I am not above grabbing a vape in a empty store isle I get a twisted since of satisfaction getting away with something sometimes. Silly and immature? Yes Dose it hurt anyone? no

Our back and fourth started when you decided I was a militant vapor going around looking for confrontation. To be honest I do the opposite but I will stand up for what I think is right if that means disobedience sometimes it needs to happen. I dont think willingly standing in the corner with the smokers is an option.

 

[Butters78]

 

[SissySpike]

Although I don't disagree in any way, the question is ..

"If the Public is generally uninformed on PV use, how can one using a PV in a designated Non-Smoking area / prohibited Smoking Area avoid the appearance of breaking that prohibition by blowing out what appears to be smoke .. ?? And, if you are using a cig-a-like, does that not even compound the issue further .. ?? "

The point I keep trying to make here is simple .. we look like smokers .. !!

and thats why we dont go where the smokers are supposed to go. Then when the ANTZ says no smoking here you politely say Im not smoking Mam or Sir I am vaping its a safer alternative to smoking for me and you no harmful emissions. Most because they are embarrassed and just human nature of being wrong walk away with their nose in the air. Some are interested and ask questions others even congratulate you for quitting smoking.
A very small percentage are just jerks and make a scene but those are rare.

 

[Racehorse]

double post

 

[Racehorse]

WE will pave the way for those that are still brainwashed into thinking that vaping is in any way related to smoking. "Just because it isn't smoke doesn't mean you can do it wherever you feel like it."
When I receive the respect of being left alone, I will entertain reciprocity.


Thanks
I

Paving the way in an intelligent way not fisticuffs is best for the vaping community.

You seem to have an odd definition of respect and being respectful. You sound like you believe it is a *reactive* behavior, tit for tat.

The highest classy kind of respectfulness is the kind that is steady and true...... a respectful person is that way and not reactive to circumstances (otherwise it's like people who say "I'm a kind person but ONLY under the right circumstances")

Think about people like Nelson Mandella. or Gandhi. They fought important battles, but using their heart and minds, not being disrespectful to others, even those who were that way to them.

This is WHY they are considered *great men*.......because if it was easy to be great, there would be more greatness around

A gentleman is a gentleman even when NOT around other gentleman, see?


Besides, unless my life is in danger, and can claim self defense. The reality of "touching other people", even when provoked, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, can land you in some serous trouble. Know of someone who punched somebody, broke their windpipe, guy died, person is not serving lengthy prison sentence. Another one I read abot punched somebody in chest, guys heart stopped. Again, this is manslaughter. So you better have a VERY compelling self defense argument when you got to punch somebody. Esp in the face, when their eyeball pops out you are going to lose pretty mych everything in lawyers fees when you blind somebody

 

[soba1]

life in America today
everybody wants to be critical of anything and everything that they do not understand or have heard of, or believe in.
( The sheep factor)
(complete corporate training, and political policy indoctrinations - i.e. brainwashing of a huge portion of our population)

U know with this I so agree.
Forget about the real problems I don't want to hijack this thread with politics.
I can promise you this, the guy that laid hands on you, he has invaded someone's
space before. Promise he will do it again. One day he will do it to the wrong person.
At minimum and I hope that's all that happens he will get his clock cleaned, and when
he does he will cry like the bitty he probably is wanting to press charges yadda yadda.
No one has a right to invade anyone's person. It would have served him right if you would have called the cops and
pressed charges on him for assault. Lets see which violation would have been worse; man......

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Paving the way in an intelligent way not fisticuffs is best for the vaping community.

You seem to have an odd definition of respect and being respectful. You sound like you believe it is a *reactive* behavior, tit for tat.

The highest classy kind of respectfulness is the kind that is steady and true...... a respectful person is that way and not reactive to circumstances (otherwise it's like people who say "I'm a kind person but ONLY under the right circumstances")

Think about people like Nelson Mandella. or Gandhi. They fought important battles, but using their heart and minds, not being disrespectful to others, even those who were that way to them.

This is WHY they are considered *great men*.......because if it was easy to be great, there would be more greatness around

A gentleman is a gentleman even when NOT around other gentleman, see?


Besides, unless my life is in danger, and can claim self defense. The reality of "touching other people", even when provoked, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, can land you in some serous trouble. Know of someone who punched somebody, broke their windpipe, guy died, person is not serving lengthy prison sentence. Another one I read abot punched somebody in chest, guys heart stopped. Again, this is manslaughter. So you better have a VERY compelling self defense argument when you got to punch somebody. Esp in the face, when their eyeball pops out you are going to lose pretty mych everything in lawyers fees when you blind somebody

"Where choice is set between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I prefer to use arms in defense of honor rather than remain the vile witness of dishonor ..."

"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state has become corrupt enough"

Can you tell me who said the above?

Let me also say...education is the best approach...but if someone attacks me with vitriol...I just might return it

 

[Sa Da Tay]

There are still places where a man is expected to have a certain degree of civility in public If more people were to sock these jerks in the eye like use to be more common people would act right.

LOL the irony in this statement is blinding, and it pretty much sums up these threads nicely.

 

[Racehorse]

how can one using a PV in a designated Non-Smoking area / prohibited Smoking Area avoid the appearance of breaking that prohibition by blowing out what appears to be smoke .. ??

Who is stopping anyone from changing the ordinances and laws so that vapers can have their own vaping spots just like smokers were given?

Until there is way more research out that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that vaping is safe and poses absolutely ZERO danger (even to a newborn) then don't expect that people are gonna want to stand next to you while you're "blowing vapor out of your mouth"......they don't know what it is, and you can't blame them.

Why are vapers always asking that everyone else understand, when vapers need to understand, too?

Here's the scenario: I'm standing somewhere with my newborn over my shoulder, burping him. A guy next to me is blowing vapor and the wind direction is such that it goes right into us. Who has the right of way here? Until you get BULLET PROOF scientific certainty that vapor is not going to harm or impact any living thing in it's path, I'm afraid you will have to be the one to "step back". Sorry, but that's the way it is.

This idea that the entire world needs to "make way for vapers!" just cracks me up, and I vape.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Who is stopping anyone from changing the ordinances and laws so that vapers can have their own vaping spots just like smokers were given?

Until there is way more research out that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that vaping is safe and poses absolutely ZERO danger (even to a newborn) then don't expect that people are gonna want to stand next to you while you're "blowing vapor out of your mouth"......they don't know what it is, and you can't blame them.

Why are vapers always asking that everyone else understand, when vapers need to understand, too?

Here's the scenario: I'm standing somewhere with my newborn over my shoulder, burping him. A guy next to me is blowing vapor and the wind direction is such that it goes right into us. Who has the right of way here? Until you get BULLET PROOF scientific certainty that vapor is not going to harm or impact any living thing in it's path, I'm afraid you will have to be the one to "step back". Sorry, but that's the way it is.

This idea that the entire world needs to "make way for vapers!" just cracks me up, and I vape.

I can't tell if your agreeing with my post or slamming it .. but what I have been saying on this thread on several posts now is pretty much the same thing you're saying ...

 

[Sa Da Tay]

Racehorse your rationality is freaking me out.

 

[Tiffany Smeggin Peak]

no matter what your feelings are about vaping in public or where smoking is not allowed, the brute that cursed at the OP was totally in the wrong... I usually don't blow big clouds in public places, but i sometimes do, not to be a jerk, but b/c I want a vape. It is not smoking and it is not illegal. I am not going to blow big clouds onto peoples foods, but I won't let people that don't know what vaping is scare me into not using my PV. Most of the people that I have delt with ask if it's drugs lol, then i explain that it is nicotine and i ususally get a positive response... I personally think the general rule is don't be a jerk, but don't be scared...

 

[Racehorse]

"Where choice is set between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I prefer to use arms in defense of honor rather than remain the vile witness of dishonor ..."

"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state has become corrupt enough"

Can you tell me who said the above?

I understand where you're going here, but the men who say things like this are vastly known for their GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS and waxing philosopohical is a by product of their direct experience, in other words, they hold their convictions at such a deep level that they have risked much to do so.

See, I haven't devoted my entire life to a great cause, made the kind of great sacrafices to do so........so using these words is always sort of laughable to me....people sitting behind keyboards proclaiming such lofty things.

Eldredge Cleaver had to teach his wife and children to leap into the bathtub and under tables and couches, for when their home was fired on by bullets, can you imagine having to show your children these things? He gave his life because he was eventually killed for what he devoted his life to: registering people of color to simply.........vote.

So, explain to me to what extent YOU are willing to follow up on those words you just quoted. What sacrafices will you make, how much inconvenience and suffering are you willing to endure for your convictions? Will you sleep in the streets, will you give your life? HOw aobut your children's life?

I'm not dissing you War, but given the extent of the sacrafices that *great men* have made, I am very hesitant to take their words and put them into my own mouth, at least, not quickly, unless I know i can live up to them. Otherwise, they are just words and phrases. Out of context.

Hope you know what I mean.

I mean, to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself taking up arms to vape,

 

[SissySpike]

"Where choice is set between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I prefer to use arms in defense of honor rather than remain the vile witness of dishonor ..."

"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state has become corrupt enough"

Can you tell me who said the above?

Let me also say...education is the best approach...but if someone attacks me with vitriol...I just might return it

Gandhi said those things while most assume Gandhi was all for change threw peaceful civil disobedience in his writings he advocated the need for violence. Not that the tyranny he faced has any comparison to our vaping situation;-)

 

[Tvan]

I'm afraid you will have to be the one to "step back". Sorry, but that's the way it is.

I do step back and glad to do so.

The guy that comes tooling out of the crowd like super squirrel poking me in the chest is gonna be minus a finger.

 

[SissySpike]

I understand where you're going here, but the men who say things like this are vastly known for their GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS and waxing philosopohical is a by product of their direct experience, in other words, they hold their convictions at such a deep level that they have risked much to do so.

See, I haven't devoted my entire life to a great cause, made the kind of great sacrafices to do so........so using these words is always sort of laughable to me....people sitting behind keyboards proclaiming such lofty things.

Eldredge Cleaver had to teach his wife and children to leap into the bathtub and under tables and couches, for when their home was fired on by bullets, can you imagine having to show your children these things? He gave his life because he was eventually killed for what he devoted his life to: registering people of color to simply.........vote.

So, explain to me to what extent YOU are willing to follow up on those words you just quoted. What sacrafices will you make, how much inconvenience and suffering are you willing to endure for your convictions? Will you sleep in the streets, will you give your life? HOw aobut your children's life?

Otherwise, it just sounds like a bunch of words out of context, sorry.

I believe as an exmarine this man has already proved his willingness to sacrifice and should not be questioned about his willingness to suffer for his convictions