unsupportive dr.... sigh
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This kind of stuff makes me SO angry. I've dealt with this type of bs for years (because of my health. It wasn't until I was ALSO dx'ed with something people could understand, that I finally was treated with the respect a human being should have)
Sadly, it is up to us to educate people. And it will be years, and many headaches, and countless studies done, before the electronic cigarette and vaping are validated and accepted by the rest of the world.
That will not happen until the medical and scientific communities PROVE without a doubt, that ecigs are a safer and healthier alternative to smoking. So be prepared.
Be prepared to stand your ground. Be prepared to fight for your right to choose. And be prepared to back up those choices and decisions repeatedly.
It's not easy... But it's worth it.
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This kind of stuff makes me SO angry. I've dealt with this type of bs for years (because of my health. It wasn't until I was ALSO dx'ed with something people could understand, that I finally was treated with the respect a human being should have)
Sadly, it is up to us to educate people. And it will be years, and many headaches, and countless studies done, before the electronic cigarette and vaping are validated and accepted by the rest of the world.
That will not happen until the medical and scientific communities PROVE without a doubt, that ecigs are a safer and healthier alternative to smoking. So be prepared.
Be prepared to stand your ground. Be prepared to fight for your right to choose. And be prepared to back up those choices and decisions repeatedly.
It's not easy... But it's worth it.
Sent from my pod
Maybe I missed it, but I think an important point that I didn't see specifically mentioned in this thread is that there might have been a significant misunderstanding between OP and the doctor over the PURPOSE of OP's use of Ecigs.
The doctor (like a lot of people who don't know much about vaping) seems to assume that the ultimate goal of switching to Ecigs is to quit using nicotine altogether. After all, that is the point of most NRT methods - to gradually step down the level of nicotine being used over a relatively short period of time (a few months, give or take). The general public thinks of Ecigs as NRT but they aren't.
The misunderstanding lies in the possibility that OP's intention, like a lot of vapers, is to use Ecigs as an alternative to smoking to avoid all the associated health risks related to the other chemicals involved in smoking aside from nicotine, NOT to quit nicotine. A lot of people do not understand the difference between quitting smoking & quitting nicotine. Nicotine is so closely tied to smoking that the (incorrect) assumption is all the health risks of smoking = the health risks of nicotine, so quitting smoking should mean quitting nicotine.
It's a misunderstanding that needs to be pointed out to a doctor that makes this assumption. If they refuse to consider the fact that this point is valid, find a new doctor who isn't closed-minded.
The doctor (like a lot of people who don't know much about vaping) seems to assume that the ultimate goal of switching to Ecigs is to quit using nicotine altogether. After all, that is the point of most NRT methods - to gradually step down the level of nicotine being used over a relatively short period of time (a few months, give or take). The general public thinks of Ecigs as NRT but they aren't.
The misunderstanding lies in the possibility that OP's intention, like a lot of vapers, is to use Ecigs as an alternative to smoking to avoid all the associated health risks related to the other chemicals involved in smoking aside from nicotine, NOT to quit nicotine. A lot of people do not understand the difference between quitting smoking & quitting nicotine. Nicotine is so closely tied to smoking that the (incorrect) assumption is all the health risks of smoking = the health risks of nicotine, so quitting smoking should mean quitting nicotine.
It's a misunderstanding that needs to be pointed out to a doctor that makes this assumption. If they refuse to consider the fact that this point is valid, find a new doctor who isn't closed-minded.
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Acne is a reported side effect of quitting cigs, not sure why! I've had a few spots come up too but they will fade with time and your skin will benefit in the long run.
wish it were a few.... its a face full..... face and neck. some are huge and they hurt. i look like a teenager with a bad case of acne. its been a couple of months now and it just keeps coming. not sure they are going to go away at all. will just have to see.
Ok a couple of months sounds severe, have you tried switching between pv and vg? And different flavours? I guess the hard part will be the amount of time needed between testing to see if the change makes a difference!
I'm no expert but your case does sound more severe than the 'quit spots' people talk about, I hope you find the answer soon
but see im just not sure that they will ever really back up an e cig and state that nicotine is not the big offender. i know there is research but.......there is also big business. if they burst everyones bubble about nicotine then ppl will start to ask what is the real offender in an analog. im not sure this is a can that anyone really wants to open. there will be a whole lot of questions as to why this chemical and why that chemical is in tobacco. can u see where im going here......
i remember back in the 80s there was something called urea formaldehyde foam insulation. it was declared that this insulation was unsafe like asbestos and lead etc. anyway if u wanted to sell a house with that stuff in the walls it was next to impossible. you either gave ur house away practically, tore the walls out and had it professionally removed or u stayed in the house and said forget it. it was quite serious.
in the meantime we were all and still are living with formaldehyde on a daily basis..... it was in carpet and pressed board cabinets, in furniture, in nail polish. a chemists sister told me that she and her brother had had a conversation about formadehyde and they were using it to decaf colas/ coffee etc. if it wasnt water filtered it was formaldehyde filtered. was it on the label??? nope.....
i was very interested in all of this because i am allergic to formaldehyde. found out the hard way in disection class in high school. the funny part is i could walk into a house with formaldehyde foam insulation and i had no problems. but if i used anything with formadehyde (not on the label) my skin would start to peel. further digging said there was formadehyde in that product.
so what made the difference between 1 product being safe and another one not and even worse the substance not being disclosed. my opinion is big business. its the only thing that makes sense to me at all. who knows....
we will fight on i guess.
so why
i remember back in the 80s there was something called urea formaldehyde foam insulation. it was declared that this insulation was unsafe like asbestos and lead etc. anyway if u wanted to sell a house with that stuff in the walls it was next to impossible. you either gave ur house away practically, tore the walls out and had it professionally removed or u stayed in the house and said forget it. it was quite serious.
in the meantime we were all and still are living with formaldehyde on a daily basis..... it was in carpet and pressed board cabinets, in furniture, in nail polish. a chemists sister told me that she and her brother had had a conversation about formadehyde and they were using it to decaf colas/ coffee etc. if it wasnt water filtered it was formaldehyde filtered. was it on the label??? nope.....
i was very interested in all of this because i am allergic to formaldehyde. found out the hard way in disection class in high school. the funny part is i could walk into a house with formaldehyde foam insulation and i had no problems. but if i used anything with formadehyde (not on the label) my skin would start to peel. further digging said there was formadehyde in that product.
so what made the difference between 1 product being safe and another one not and even worse the substance not being disclosed. my opinion is big business. its the only thing that makes sense to me at all. who knows....
we will fight on i guess.
so why
So my appt was this evening, went well!
Unfortunately it was just me and her in a room, I gave her loads of info and flyers etc and by the end of it she seemed pretty cool with the idea, at least enough to give everything a read and a chance - The best I could hope to achieve is she is 'sold' on the idea and reccomends it to patients of hers who are having trouble quitting.
....oh she did try some bs to start with about the champix, something about the new pills being 'ok' and "it was only the old pills that caused a problem"... I soon sorted that nonsense out! It pays to read up and be informed!
Anyway fingers crossed eh!
Love to all!
Duncan
Sorry, I can't let this pass (worked in the coffee industry for 20 years):
If it's chemically processed they use methylene chloride (which can be metabolized in your body to formaldehyde) BUT the way that works though is that they apply the chemical and the caffeine molecules bind to the chemical and then they remove the chemical, taking the caffeine with it. After that, they steam and then roast the beans at about 425F degrees for 15 minutes (methylene chloride burns off at 104F), burning off all the remaining chemical. Industry standards allow for a "safe" amount of .05% (i think that's the number) per x volume, but in every test ever done by either Starbucks or Peet's coffee (and most roasters) there has been 0% of the chemical remaining.
I'm taking a different approach here. If your dr. says you should not vape, just tell her/him that isn't going to happen. Then keep seeing them and let them see the difference for themselves! There is so much medical information out there, no one doctor can be expected to know it all, and most are not educated at all about vaping. I think we should be their education on it! They cannot deny what they see with their own eyes as we just keep getting healthier! Seeing IS believing! Let's face it, I would have never expected to feel as good as I do now.
Another plus on this is that when we show improvements, it just might get more doctors to reccomend vaping to their smoking patients, as wether or not they will admit it, they have seen the poor results with the patch, gum and Chantrix. It just might excite them to see something that actually works for most of us!
Another plus on this is that when we show improvements, it just might get more doctors to reccomend vaping to their smoking patients, as wether or not they will admit it, they have seen the poor results with the patch, gum and Chantrix. It just might excite them to see something that actually works for most of us!
Went today to my doc for a wicked sore throat. At one point she listened to my lungs and I asked if they sounded ok, she said "yes they sound great ,why do you ask, are you ok, having any problems"? I said no I quit smoking a few months ago so just checking. Well...she let out a big ol gasp and said yay!! Congratulated me up and down and was so excited. It made me felt so good. She didn't even ask me about how I quit 
She just focused on the positive that I am not smoking.
So now I have a script for antibiotics , cough medicine and one very happy doctor.
She just focused on the positive that I am not smoking. So now I have a script for antibiotics , cough medicine and one very happy doctor.
wonderful news duncan. one step at a time. the next time u go visit u can ask her about what she read..... hopefully u will get some positive feedback from her.
good to know rosa. sounds like they have made great strides there. if its gone it should be gone. all i know is im extremely sensitive to formaldehyde and back then it was just horrible. once i was told that went back to regular vs decaf and my skin cleared up, my hands quit peeling and my hair quit falling out. guess im just more sensitive than the average bear.
very interesting info though...... you are incredible. u seem to know something about just about everything...:}}
very interesting info though...... you are incredible. u seem to know something about just about everything...:}}
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i agree brian. im not sure when im going to get brave enough to have another go at any dr after this but my elderly book keeper who has smoked foreve went to see her dr today. she started vaping a couple of weeks after i did. he was very impressed with her checkup today. her lungs have improved already. he had her show her e cig and how it worked to his entire staff. she is really cheesy. may of won 1 drs office over today .......:}}}} even if it wasnt mine.
I have never been able to drink decaffeinated coffee. Even though I understand logically and rationally that the methylene chloride is not present in the final product, I see "decaffeinated" and all I can think is "PAINT STRIPPER"! It is amazing how much power our subconscious minds can have over us.
(Nice info Rosa .... sorry for being OT)
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