Vape Limbo- FDA, Stocked up, and waiting.............
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Lol. I think Mythbusters could get a few shows out of vaping. Are Clapton's better than StapleBraided.??
If you're relying on any type of RBA to be some sort of a long term solution to the FDA's BS.
I hope you've included a couple dozen spare tanks (for RTA's), a couple dozen spare insulators, a few spare build decks for when a post breaks or strips & a few positive pins for those that use them.
Without spare parts for each style,type,manufacturer of RBA you have you're only one mishap away from being without a delivery device.
I hope you've included a couple dozen spare tanks (for RTA's), a couple dozen spare insulators, a few spare build decks for when a post breaks or strips & a few positive pins for those that use them.
Without spare parts for each style,type,manufacturer of RBA you have you're only one mishap away from being without a delivery device.
Yes true ! I have about 9 rebuilds plus spare parts and 7 regulated mods that take batteries, will pick up mech too just incase
I'm doing a bit of stocking up myself but maybe I'm being a bit naive about the deeming date...
From my understanding, 8/8/16 is not the end of the vape world and it starts a 24 month countdown to the end of the vape world on 8/8/18. Yes I realize a lot of BS "sin" taxes and age verification policies may pop up before/on/after that date but we should still be able to buy most vapor products during the 2 year application process?
The way I read everything, after 8/8/16, we can still buy anything produced up until 8/8/16 while the manufactures of hardware and juice, etc. apply for their PMTA's and have 2 years to do this, however nothing new that has been made after 8/8/16 can be sold in the USA during that 2 year time period so essentially time is frozen for 2 years at that point and the only stuff that can remain on the market for 24 months are items made prior to 8/8/16, which is still a lot of gear and juice.
Once 8/8/18 hits, that's when the 11/2007 date officially kicks in to where only products produced on or before that date can remain on the market along with any products that MAY have had their PMTA's approved by the FDA.
So in my head, any many others that I've been speaking to, we will still have a limited market for 2 years (while the lawyers, advocacy groups, vapers, etc. keep up the good fight and hopefully have some form of a victory) before the proverbial end of the vaping world on 8/8/18.
Yes I get that bulk nicotine will be harder to get during this 2 year period and we should stock up on that now but we should still be able to walk into our local vape store (if they're still there) and grab our juice or whatever hardware we need that was produced prior to 8/8/16 and/or shop online and deal with sending a copy of our DL to our online retailer(s) of choice or accept adult signature required deliveries as an alternative. Yes, both verification requirements are a hassle but they're better than nothing.
Would I be incorrect on the above?
Another thought I had is, if we really couldn't buy anything after 8/8/16 and it was truly the end of the vaping world, all vape B&M's and e-com retailers sites would be price gouging right now in order to take advantage of the situation (because us dedicated vapers including myself would probably pay it to keep our hobbies alive) to make as much money as they could in the next 2 months before they have to close down shop and I haven't seen signs of that going on, especially in the online shopping world.
The vape shops near me have all assured me that they are fully aware of everything going on, that they may have to make some changes on how they handle juice samples (such as charge you a $1.00 lifetime sampling club fee so they can satisfy the requirement that the juice tasting is no longer free), make sure they card everyone and also committed that they're not going anywhere before 8/8/18 and during the 2 year period they'll hope for a victory, apply for PMTA's if they can afford to do so or close down if they have to after 8/8/18 but they're in it until the end.
From my understanding, 8/8/16 is not the end of the vape world and it starts a 24 month countdown to the end of the vape world on 8/8/18. Yes I realize a lot of BS "sin" taxes and age verification policies may pop up before/on/after that date but we should still be able to buy most vapor products during the 2 year application process?
The way I read everything, after 8/8/16, we can still buy anything produced up until 8/8/16 while the manufactures of hardware and juice, etc. apply for their PMTA's and have 2 years to do this, however nothing new that has been made after 8/8/16 can be sold in the USA during that 2 year time period so essentially time is frozen for 2 years at that point and the only stuff that can remain on the market for 24 months are items made prior to 8/8/16, which is still a lot of gear and juice.
Once 8/8/18 hits, that's when the 11/2007 date officially kicks in to where only products produced on or before that date can remain on the market along with any products that MAY have had their PMTA's approved by the FDA.
So in my head, any many others that I've been speaking to, we will still have a limited market for 2 years (while the lawyers, advocacy groups, vapers, etc. keep up the good fight and hopefully have some form of a victory) before the proverbial end of the vaping world on 8/8/18.
Yes I get that bulk nicotine will be harder to get during this 2 year period and we should stock up on that now but we should still be able to walk into our local vape store (if they're still there) and grab our juice or whatever hardware we need that was produced prior to 8/8/16 and/or shop online and deal with sending a copy of our DL to our online retailer(s) of choice or accept adult signature required deliveries as an alternative. Yes, both verification requirements are a hassle but they're better than nothing.
Would I be incorrect on the above?
Another thought I had is, if we really couldn't buy anything after 8/8/16 and it was truly the end of the vaping world, all vape B&M's and e-com retailers sites would be price gouging right now in order to take advantage of the situation (because us dedicated vapers including myself would probably pay it to keep our hobbies alive) to make as much money as they could in the next 2 months before they have to close down shop and I haven't seen signs of that going on, especially in the online shopping world.
The vape shops near me have all assured me that they are fully aware of everything going on, that they may have to make some changes on how they handle juice samples (such as charge you a $1.00 lifetime sampling club fee so they can satisfy the requirement that the juice tasting is no longer free), make sure they card everyone and also committed that they're not going anywhere before 8/8/18 and during the 2 year period they'll hope for a victory, apply for PMTA's if they can afford to do so or close down if they have to after 8/8/18 but they're in it until the end.
While I am fortunate enough financially to make a lot of purchases, it is still problematic in that just how much is really enough? Yeah, some things will be available in a couple years, but what and how much might it cost? How many people are you prepared to "let into your bunker"?
As far as juice prices and tasting, information I have found/heard indicates that there is already a correlation (inaccurate as it might be) that has been made between a pack of smokes and 2ml of juice. In other words, that $2 tax on a pack of smokes would become a $15 tax on a 30ml bottle of juice. This will all be determined by individual states, but you can bet your last tax dollar, they will be trying to get all they can.
I have also heard that the FDA (and/or state) has already recognized and dealt with any ideas of having a one time tasting charge or membership fee/card or any form of getting around the tasting ban. You want juice, regardless of drips or bottles, you buy it.
IMPORTANT: NO! I do not know this for absolute fact! Just part of the limbo subject of this thread. I am not about to think I am going to be able to try juices for free or that there will be no or reasonable tax on juice, be it zero or 36mg nic, at any time from this point on. Feel free to proceed as you see fit.
As far as juice prices and tasting, information I have found/heard indicates that there is already a correlation (inaccurate as it might be) that has been made between a pack of smokes and 2ml of juice. In other words, that $2 tax on a pack of smokes would become a $15 tax on a 30ml bottle of juice. This will all be determined by individual states, but you can bet your last tax dollar, they will be trying to get all they can.
I have also heard that the FDA (and/or state) has already recognized and dealt with any ideas of having a one time tasting charge or membership fee/card or any form of getting around the tasting ban. You want juice, regardless of drips or bottles, you buy it.
IMPORTANT: NO! I do not know this for absolute fact! Just part of the limbo subject of this thread. I am not about to think I am going to be able to try juices for free or that there will be no or reasonable tax on juice, be it zero or 36mg nic, at any time from this point on. Feel free to proceed as you see fit.
I have a concern that USPS and other delivery services might stop delivering vape products since they will be deemed tobacco products as of 8/8/16 and that credit card companies won't allow us to charge them for the same reason. I also have a concern that many shops will not be stocking back up and just close once their inventory is gone. How many states will ban vaping products from being shipped in from out of state? This on top of the concern about outrageous taxes.
Not to mention, I won't be sending copies of my Driver's License to anyone, and there may be no getting around age verification. There are just too many things that can go wrong, and they can happen sooner rather than later, without warning.
I want to have the bulk of what I feel I'll need ordered by July 1. I don't know why I feel like some things might start happening then.
Not to mention, I won't be sending copies of my Driver's License to anyone, and there may be no getting around age verification. There are just too many things that can go wrong, and they can happen sooner rather than later, without warning.
I want to have the bulk of what I feel I'll need ordered by July 1. I don't know why I feel like some things might start happening then.
I'm wondering what the rush will be like for e-liquid vendors in July. I have to admit feeling some anxiety over all of this. I'm more nervous as to what the states are going to do on 8/8...
I feel like I am in Vape Land Limbo, I scurried around and stocked up, still looking at sales etc but basically done, waiting for some more vape mail. Now just waiting for the next shoe to drop in states and by Feds. This is madness what we have to go thru, I actually dread 8-8 and it is my birthday that day! There is so little news or updates it is hard to know what is actually happening legally with all these deeming regs and even the states. Then I wonder should I go for some fav juice that comes from Indiana before they get shut down on juice or just cold turkey my juice favs now and enjoy my DIY. This is so crazy, all these decisions & deadlines I don't really want to deal with anymore. Anyone else there too? It feels like a bad dream, can I wake up now?
I hope you did go ahead and buy from your Indiana source (and just save it for your birthday - good steeping shouldn't hurt
) Depending on who it is, I believe Indiana's "deeming" 
kicks in on July 1. I'm a little behind on that status and need to catch back up.
That's the point a lot of nah sayers seem to miss. They seem to have an eye on the FDA and miss the point that the states are the ones that will really kill vaping for individuals.
As far as I can try to figure out, there's nothing to stop the states from taxing anything vaping related really badly, is there?
Yep. Nothing. I don't think all will go wild with it, but there is definitely a few that will go over the top.
I don't think there is. In Connecticut, a pack of smokes is over $9. Almost half of that is taxes. If they put something equivalent in for vaping, that would be just awful.
There wasn't anything stopping them before the revised Deeming announcement in May, Chicago and Cook County jumped on board with I believe a $0.45/ml tax back in Jan 1st this year. Corrupt IL wanted their money and said if you can vape it we can tax it and we want our money!
I am in the position to NEVER pay a vape tax. I avoided the tobacco taxes by going to Indian reservations to buy my smokes. I prepped, and if it isn't enough, I'll go to the black market for sure. No matter what, I WILL NOT EVER PAY A RED CENT TO THE GOVERNMENT TO VAPE. They could have had a slice, but it looks like they want the whole pie again. Sorry gov, you're not getting any of my money. I can't wait to blow clouds from my open tank system in front of city hall come August of 2018, all while using a hand gesture that could be misunderstood as me telling them they are number 1, heck I might just make it a hobby!
Yep I did from Hoosier ecigs I ordered B-Day Cake and Banana Cream Pie, my fav. I just can't duplicate his mix and I will so miss it! It hate to think he will no longer be selling juice because of the stupid Indiana law going into effect on July 1 from what I read. These state laws effect other states that order from them, like me.I hope you did go ahead and buy from your Indiana source (and just save it for your birthday - good steeping shouldn't hurt
Well I added to my stash my bit today, went and got a mech mod, nemesis, some kicks and short stops so if I have to use a mech, I at least have some safety measures on my side. Hmmm, maybe I should have ordered 2 mech's! LOL
Oh my Provari Classic showed up today too! I am worried about WA state and their new laws too, how long will we be able to get Provari's??? I have 4 now, 2 mini's, a P3 and a Classic.
I am worried about WA state and their new laws too, how long will we be able to get Provari's??? I have 4 now, 2 mini's, a P3 and a Classic.- Status
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