Vaping may deepen your nicotine addiction?
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I guess I am a lightwieght. I started vaping 2 weeks ago with some 12 mg juice and was getting a headrush on every hit. So I got some 6 mg of the same flavors and mixed them evenly giving me 8 mg juice. That seemed to work well. Now I have run out of the 12 mg stuff so I am doing straight 6 mg. No problems at all.
I am vaping all day and probably more total puffs than I did on analogs but my nic level is probably the same or lower all things considered. Also I can really see myself dropping down to 0 nic in the not too distant future.
Some experience vaper friends warned me there are 3 danger zones when getting off the analogs.
3 days
3 weeks
3 months
So I admit I am being a bit cautious to get past those before I do anything too drastic in reducing the addiction.
I am vaping all day and probably more total puffs than I did on analogs but my nic level is probably the same or lower all things considered. Also I can really see myself dropping down to 0 nic in the not too distant future.
Some experience vaper friends warned me there are 3 danger zones when getting off the analogs.
3 days
3 weeks
3 months
So I admit I am being a bit cautious to get past those before I do anything too drastic in reducing the addiction.
I agree with all that has been said - in terms of nicotine addiction, it definitely has not deepened - it's gotten less. I started at 18, quickly went down to 12 - now it's 12 until mid day, then 6 mg's. I hope to lessen that at some point too but I'm not bent on getting to 0.
What vaping hasn't helped with is the hand/mouth habit - I tend to have my pv with me more than when I needed a cig, so I'm vaping more than I smoked. But, the difference is that if I don't have it with me, I don't miss it/need it like I did a cig. But, when trying to quit in the past, what always got me was that hand/mouth thing (I lug several pounds around with me that are proof of that
) While that bothers me a little, I know I started vaping to stop smoking - I never had a game plan or thought of quitting vaping once I started. So, I know I'm probably making the hand/mouth habit worse, I guess I'm ok with that - it's a vaping habit now, not a smoking one. In the end, that's a much better habit to have.
I hope that made sense!!
What vaping hasn't helped with is the hand/mouth habit - I tend to have my pv with me more than when I needed a cig, so I'm vaping more than I smoked. But, the difference is that if I don't have it with me, I don't miss it/need it like I did a cig. But, when trying to quit in the past, what always got me was that hand/mouth thing (I lug several pounds around with me that are proof of that
) While that bothers me a little, I know I started vaping to stop smoking - I never had a game plan or thought of quitting vaping once I started. So, I know I'm probably making the hand/mouth habit worse, I guess I'm ok with that - it's a vaping habit now, not a smoking one. In the end, that's a much better habit to have.I hope that made sense!!
Oh and 20 cents to a buck a day to vape all I want is way nicer than 6.50 a day. Also since I got my provari my vaping has increased a heck of a lot and I am ok with that.
Ok Bill here is a few things for you to ponder...
these are the facts
Nicotine usage by smoking changes the way the nicotine acts and is taken up by your body...the burning changes it and actually makes it less effective than absorption like dip or chewing or even the old fashion snuff snorting.Cigg companies in the 70'S realized this and started adding chemicals to help the nicotine be more active and absorb better...chemicals like ammonia and solvents like toluene were added for the nic to "ride on" and were easily absorbed thus making the cigs seem stronger....then supplemental nic was also added and so on and so on...now today we have cigs that have 1-2.5 mlg of nic in them but the nic is supercharged and very powerful
now a little on addiction
Fact
nicotine almost exactly replicates an endorphin that is naturally made by your brain that controls blood sugar and also some of the reward centers of your brain. Long time smokers 20+ years can experience an atrophy in the factories that produce this natural chemical from not having to produce it for so long...so quitting for some may never be possible for some who are lucky the factories gradually start producing the nic like endorphin naturally and they can lead normal lives....for others (like me) will never be able to produce the stuff in sufficient amounts to enable me to live a normal life without constant cravings for me its not a matter of will power its bio chemical..
natural un modified nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine...we all have heard this..and its true but when we smoked we got "engineered nicotine"
Vaping used natural un modified nicotine and it is absorbed much like other "smokless" tobacco through the mouth and throat and some in the lungs..the difference is its not a powerfull "POW" of nic its a slow gradual relief so we dont ride on the roller coaster of nic levels way up....then down...way up then down.....we create a constant level...
I started with 24 and now i use 18 50% of the time but still vape 24 in the morning and at night...have not had a smoke in almost 4 months and thats from 1 pack a day of marb reds..
if you compare the 2 you got to understand this aint apples to apples...un modified nic compared to engineered nic delivery in ciggs are hard to compare levels with..
at the end of the day...i love vaping and feel it was able to empower to quit smoking...i tried everything patch,gum, lozenge, wellbutrin,even cold laser and hypnotherapy ....nothing worked vaping did
so there it is
i actually don't think that it's really a nicotine addictione...it is more of a habit...
Smoking – a habit not an addiction | ISRAEL21c
Smoking – a habit not an addiction | ISRAEL21c
Honestly, I don't get your point.
As in, I was already addicted to nicotine and clearly couldn't stop (I tried, oh did I ever). So the choice is a nicotine addiction plus over 4,000 other chemicals, 50+ of which are known carcinogens, or a nicotine addiction.
Also, how do you "deepen" a nicotine addiction? Well, one way is add chemicals to cigarettes to make the nicotine even more addictive. Which is... well... cigarettes.
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yeah man ...been trying to quit for a while and couldnt ...so i went on a fact finding mission to understand why it was so hard...there is a awesome site called Why quit ,com...it explains alot of what i said alot better than me.... doctors and such.
vaping will lessen you need for nicotine, also will lessen the want for "the cigarette" that has do to with the mental addiction. At 7 weeks in I no longer craved the cigarette. You will not crave nicotine in the same way once this happens. Nicotine without the chemicals from cigarettes is about equal in addiction to caffeine. But this will all happen when you are away from cigarettes completely.
I dont believe it causes people what your saying, you dont absorb nicotine the same way as with cigarettes, with cigarettes you absorb it threw your lung, it takes 7 seconds to get to the brain, the size of the molecules in smoke are very small. With vapor you only absorb it threw your mouth, throat and nose, it takes as long as 30 seconds to get to the brain, the molecules are much bigger. It may take more hits to get your desired amount of nicotine, but I dont chain vape and I get the level of nicotine I have become acustom to. I did go threw a bit of nicotine withdraw the first 2 day until my levels evened out. Nicotine by its self is not worse than caffeine in addiction once you have all the chemicals out of your body from smoking and you will beable to go down in nicotine mg if you so want. You need to get to that "Ah" moment, Im thinking your not there yet.
I dont believe it causes people what your saying, you dont absorb nicotine the same way as with cigarettes, with cigarettes you absorb it threw your lung, it takes 7 seconds to get to the brain, the size of the molecules in smoke are very small. With vapor you only absorb it threw your mouth, throat and nose, it takes as long as 30 seconds to get to the brain, the molecules are much bigger. It may take more hits to get your desired amount of nicotine, but I dont chain vape and I get the level of nicotine I have become acustom to. I did go threw a bit of nicotine withdraw the first 2 day until my levels evened out. Nicotine by its self is not worse than caffeine in addiction once you have all the chemicals out of your body from smoking and you will beable to go down in nicotine mg if you so want. You need to get to that "Ah" moment, Im thinking your not there yet.
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The biggest reinforcing chemical in cigarettes is the MAOI, it reinforces the nicotine. It is also what causes you to have the life long addiction to "the cigarette" long after nicotine is gone. Ecigs retrain the brain way from the need for cigarettes, once you detox and start retraining the brain it gets easyer and easyer. Your mind is going to play tricks on you threw the whole first month saying you need the cigarette and ecigs wont work. I did have that happen sets in the doubt, all in trying to get you to go back to cigarettes, I would litterly see in my minds eye cigarettes dancing infront of my face at one point. The brain is a very powerful thing. Once you reject what your brain is tell you and get past all that it becomes much easyer. And you get to that "AH" point that you dont crave a cig ever again, and the nicotine craving starts to change, where you dont even think about having it. Im not saying it will be easy between detoxing and the cravings and the brain treating bad there is a the light at the end of the tunnel. At 3 months its so much easyer. I feel so much better.
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TThats crazy you say that...my brain tried that with me to about a week in....kept telling me "this is great...but lets have a smoke"...so i just kept telling myself..."this is the new smoke"....
The behavior of smoking has alot to do with it as well..those pathways have also established themselves with the reward centers in your brain...thats another huge reason why vaping works
The behavior of smoking has alot to do with it as well..those pathways have also established themselves with the reward centers in your brain...thats another huge reason why vaping works
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This is happening to me, after 2 weeks of literally not even thinking about smoking. All of a sudden now my brain is telling me I NEED a cigarette before bed. Has happened the last 2 nights.
So what do I do? Sit down here and vape while I read some new posts!
First up, nicotine alone isn't that addictive, as studies show, its the other chemicals in combusted tobacco that make it addictive (namely mao inhibitors like harman).
Second of all, at 16mg/ml, your only getting around half the nic in your bloodstream as tobacco, per puff, according to the ruyan studies. So my extrapolation, you'd only be getting an equivilant per puff amount at around 30mg/ml (Without mao, so it would still be less satisfying and more stimulant in nature)
So your probably vaping more because its less addictive, and thusly you are needing more to get your fix.
Second of all, at 16mg/ml, your only getting around half the nic in your bloodstream as tobacco, per puff, according to the ruyan studies. So my extrapolation, you'd only be getting an equivilant per puff amount at around 30mg/ml (Without mao, so it would still be less satisfying and more stimulant in nature)
So your probably vaping more because its less addictive, and thusly you are needing more to get your fix.
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To be honest, as a vaping maniac and also as a Respiratory Therapist (crazy huh?). If you set your mind at ease and have more control on your self. Will create a limit for your body to be satisfied with a low dose nic vape style of vaping. I vape between 1-8 nic level, I don't go any higher because I create a mind set that going high is bad. That did it for me and always love vaping on low nic. Plus when i smoke higher nic level I don't enjoy it, it feels harsh on my through. So trick my mind to enjoying low dose.
P.S. staying on a low nic style vaping is good, it is also used as Therapeutic purposes in the hospital (There's research to it and you can look it up on google) . Some hospitals even allow patients to vape in the hospital room.
P.S. staying on a low nic style vaping is good, it is also used as Therapeutic purposes in the hospital (There's research to it and you can look it up on google) . Some hospitals even allow patients to vape in the hospital room.
At the start I went through this roller coaster. The first few days I did great, and felt great, then one day, I just craved the stinkies like crazy. Gone through this cycle a couple times. After that I did well for a much longer period but I also noticed that I started train vaping - actually constantly vaping. I still crave the stinkies here and there and actually have snuck in a few ...
Learning a lot in this thread. It all seems to be making more sense to me now.
Learning a lot in this thread. It all seems to be making more sense to me now.
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That's very much where my addiction resides. I'm pretty sure it was when I was on no or at least low nicotine and the act of seeing "smoke" get blown gave me the exact Ahhh feeling of a cigarette.
I wish my HMO's hospital would take that advice. I tried showing them a more sane "no tobacco combustion" way another place in their order has the rule but as far as I know they still have it banned.
So far the doctors and nurses have either been indifferent or excited so I'd say my chances of "smuggling" if I ever need to be kept are good.
I've gone from 18 mg a year ago to zero nic a couple of months ago. Smoked a PAD for 37 years. I still vape, but less than 2 ml a day now and I think that will go lower still.
I also vaped a lot more than I ever smoked at first. The worst of the cravings took about a month to work through. Over this last Easter weekend we had a couple of smokers stay with us and I had no problem at all resisting having a smoke. I didn't even vape more than usual to get me through. It just doesn't have any pull on me anymore.
I don't think nicotine is very addictive at all. I was amazed at how easy it was to drop nic levels once I started doing it. But that was after I had got past the worst of the cigarette addiction. There are so many chemicals involved in smoke, who knows where the majority of the addiction comes from and why it is different for different people. Does make me laugh though when I see smoking researchers talk about nicotine addiction as if that was the biggest problem.
I also vaped a lot more than I ever smoked at first. The worst of the cravings took about a month to work through. Over this last Easter weekend we had a couple of smokers stay with us and I had no problem at all resisting having a smoke. I didn't even vape more than usual to get me through. It just doesn't have any pull on me anymore.
I don't think nicotine is very addictive at all. I was amazed at how easy it was to drop nic levels once I started doing it. But that was after I had got past the worst of the cigarette addiction. There are so many chemicals involved in smoke, who knows where the majority of the addiction comes from and why it is different for different people. Does make me laugh though when I see smoking researchers talk about nicotine addiction as if that was the biggest problem.
it's funny.. not to derail the topic, but all this stuff about the other addictive properties of analogs...
I had called the PA free quit line and signed up on their program while trying to quit last fall.. They explicitly told me NOT to even try e-cigs, because they are dangerous and not tested by the FDA. They told me to use the patch and chew on a straw when I got cravings.. well, I think we all know how well that all worked out. I just think it's really interesting that the analogs contain so many more addictive components that compound the addiction, yet none of the non-smoking programs even factor that into their counseling or education. It's no wonder they so often fail.
I had called the PA free quit line and signed up on their program while trying to quit last fall.. They explicitly told me NOT to even try e-cigs, because they are dangerous and not tested by the FDA. They told me to use the patch and chew on a straw when I got cravings.. well, I think we all know how well that all worked out. I just think it's really interesting that the analogs contain so many more addictive components that compound the addiction, yet none of the non-smoking programs even factor that into their counseling or education. It's no wonder they so often fail.
That's what's going on with me.
"You can have both. Nobody will know. You don't have to tell those ECF people. They're on the web, they can't see you."
My brain's a devious ..........
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