Vaping may deepen your nicotine addiction?

[Talyon]

Let me start by saying nicotine is a highly addictive drug, and there is no know comparison to accurately know how much were absorbing through Vapeing. I have seen a few studies that suggest the nicotine absorption is 10 times less using Vapeing but I'm sure many more such tests will come along. Of course we know about the other 4000 Chemicals we are not getting through Vapeing.

It's my believe that Vapeing is the easiest way to wean off of nicotine. However for most I think having this device to quit smoking is unprecedented. Why shouldn't I vape all day if I choose to, I for one don't need to but am sick and tired of being dictated to what I can and can't do, especially if I'm not hurting anyone.

My conclusion is simple vape all u want, if it concerns u then don't Vape. Go back to smoking those cancer sticks.

Not my intention to go against op here, or go with. Just simply MHO.

 

[BillyTheWild]

if it concerns u then don't Vape. Go back to smoking those cancer sticks.

Hey, where does this anger come from, dude. Like I say from the beginning, I am NOT here to be negative about vaping. I believe my question is a legit one for a newbie like myself.

 

[grandmato5]

Without all the additives found in cigarettes I found after several months of vaping I was no longer addicted to nicotine. My discovery happened over two years ago.

Today I treat nicotine the same way I treat caffeine. Most often I drink decaffeinated coffee but occasionally I do enjoy a cup or two of caffeinated coffee. I'd survived just fine if I never drank another caffeinated drink but I see no reason not to occasionally have a caffeinated drink. The same thing applies to nicotine for me. Most of the time I vape 0 mg nicotine juice and would have no problem never having any nicotine in my juice but there are times I do vape nic in my juice and enjoy it when I do and see no reason to stop.

We've been programmed to believe that nicotine in any form is highly addictive to everyone. I'm living proof that simply is not true for everyone. It was highly addictive to me in cigarettes but not when vaping once I was a few months removed from smoking. I smoked for over 35 years and was a 2 PAD smoker hopelessly addicted to cigarettes. When I started vaping and stopped smoking I vaped a LOT. My ecig was never out of my hand. I vaped more a few weeks after starting then I did when I first started. More vaping didn't increase my nicotine dependence. My vaping allowed me to reduce the mg of nicotine I vaped over time. My goal wasn't to become nicotine free. My goal was to be smoke free and to eventually vape using 6-8 mg nicotine juice. The total loss of the addiction just kind of happened all by itself

 

[Snickerfritz]

I bet you actually vape less if you were able to really compare numbers. Think about it, once a cigarette is lit, it's lit, so you have to take 8 to 10 to 12 drags off of it. With an ecig, you can easily pick it up, take two puffs and put it down. It's rare to sit there and take 12 rips off of it.

 

[tenshi]

I vape way more than I did smoke. Not concerned about nic addiction though but did cut down to zero to 6 mg because I get headaches otherwise when I chain vape (i.e. fall in love with an awesome juice and can't get enough of the great flavor ). My thoughts are... When people smoke, they generally don't even think about how much nicotine they are absorbing at a given time, but vaping seems to call more attention to it. I guess it's kind of like eating something, and then looking at the calories and think omgosh, this little cookie has 600 calories?! hehe Perhaps this is a good thing because being aware of what you're in-taking gives us that much more control, and if one is concerned, they can just drop down a notch or two in nic mg/ml little by little.

 

[Talyon]

Hey, where does this anger come from, dude. Like I say from the beginning, I am NOT here to be negative about vaping. I believe my question is a legit one for a newbie like myself.

U assume anger, I'm not.
Never said question wasn't legit.
Your question is NEGATIVE, No matter how you warrant it. Not saying it shouldn't be asked.
My question to the community would be as such, Why do I breath better now? Or Why do I sleep better? Etc but no we always seem to want to focus on the Negative, I just don't understand why that is. Don't take me wrong I've read 1000's of great posts and stories here and I have enjoyed them immensely.

 

[StevesCVO]

Don't forget about all the other addicting chemicals in tobacco plus all the crap BT adds to it to keep you addicted. If we had been smoking nothing but pure tobacco it would be way easier to quit. I couldn't go more than an hr without dieing for a cigarette but I can go 3-4 hrs easy without vaping.

 

[Statistic]

Continuing to smoke deepens your addiction to nicotine. If someone chooses to vape more and more and up their nicotine intake that is their choice to make. I think it's great we have the option to decrease nicotine intake by vaping lower and lower nic levels. I think the answer to the question "does vaping deepen our addiction to nicotine" is 100% subjective.

 

[heroinesick]

Honestly, I think it might maintain a certain addiction to nicotine ( if the person is so inclined to do so.) but I definitely don't think it deepens it. I know many of the folks on here, me included, can definitely attest to the cravings being TOTALLY different once the switch is completely made to a PV. I truly believe that the addiction to cigarettes would be SO MUCH lessened if it was just nicotine that was in them. It's not just the nicotine that you're addicted too. It's everything ELSE they pump into those suckers. I do know that I can comfortable go two hours without a pull on my PV and not be freaking out too much. Two hours without a cigarette would've sent me into Insane City.

But deepen it? I just can't buy that. There are WAY too many folks on here that have dropped their nic levels relatively comfortably ( at least from the stories I've read.) to believe that. Besides, you have to take in the absorption method of smoking vs vaping and the rate of absorption.

I myself am an admitted chain vaper. But, I am planning on starting my nic drop next month from 18, down to 16, and eventually trying for 12 mg. I know that I can do this. I'm at the point now, though, is I am just starting to get comfortable enough with being without cigarettes, I don't want to risk a back slide. However, now I know it's possible. Is it super important? Not at all. But I'll get there eventually, just because it's my goal.

 

[hottierockstar]

i thought that the nicotine has been proven to be the least addictive component of analogs?

after 7 days on 12mg juice (after 30 years....the last 25 closer to a PAD than not) i think i am actually more addicted to the act...if that makes sense.

and now the flavors... LOL

 

[BillyTheWild]

Just to be absolutely clear b/c it seems that some of you didn't really read my opening post careful. Either that or I didn't say it clearly which is my fault. I am definitely NOT saying vaping will deepen nic addiction. NOT saying that at all. It is a question. What has prompted me to ask the question is the fact that I find myself train vaping while I never has the habit of train smoking before. See the logic behind my question? So, it is just a QUESTION - definitely NOT a judgement and/or conclusion.

So, what I have gathered so far from almost all of you more experienced vapers is that it's rather common for a beginner vaper like myself to train vape at the beginning. Because of the difference between vaping and smoking, I may need to vape more to get the same satisfaction I am used to getting from smoking. But as I get more adapted to the difference between vaping and smoking, I will adjust my vaping habit to a level that I don't need to train vape anymore unless I choose to. Sounds about right?

 

[Elantis]

Just to be absolutely clear b/c it seems that some of you didn't really read my opening post careful. Either that or I didn't say it clearly which is my fault. I am definitely NOT saying vaping will deepen nic addiction. NOT saying that at all. It is a question. What has prompted me to ask the question is the fact that I find myself train vaping while I never has the habit of train smoking before. See the logic behind my question? So, it is just a QUESTION - definitely NOT a judgement and/or conclusion.

So, what I have gathered so far from almost all of you more experienced vapers is that it's rather common for a beginner vaper like myself to train vape at the beginning. Because of the difference between vaping and smoking, I may need to vape more to get the same satisfaction I am used to getting from smoking. But as I get more adapted to the difference between vaping and smoking, I will adjust my vaping habit to a level that I don't need to train vape anymore unless I choose to. Sounds about right?

That sounds very reasonable to me. I was a 1 1/2 PAD smoker of Light Cigs for 40+ years. I started at 18mg and vaped constantly (I probably should have upped my mg but didn't.) Now at the 7 month mark I am vaping 12mg and am planning to lower that a little more, since I DIY I can make the adjustment easily.

One of my first indications that this "need" for nicotine was so different from the analogs is that first thing in the morning I didn't reach for my PV, it might be an hour after my first cup of coffee. And I didn't find the need to vape the moment I got into the car (this was also a terrible habit.) No reaching for the PV right after I ate...those were my "aha" moments when I realized all those other chemicals were out of my system and I vape happily whenever I feel like it.

 

[hottierockstar]

Just to be absolutely clear b/c it seems that some of you didn't really read my opening post careful. Either that or I didn't say it clearly which is my fault. I am definitely NOT saying vaping will deepen nic addiction. NOT saying that at all. It is a question. What has prompted me to ask the question is the fact that I find myself train vaping while I never has the habit of train smoking before. See the logic behind my question? So, it is just a QUESTION - definitely NOT a judgement and/or conclusion.

So, what I have gathered so far from almost all of you more experienced vapers is that it's rather common for a beginner vaper like myself to train vape at the beginning. Because of the difference between vaping and smoking, I may need to vape more to get the same satisfaction I am used to getting from smoking. But as I get more adapted to the difference between vaping and smoking, I will adjust my vaping habit to a level that I don't need to train vape anymore unless I choose to. Sounds about right?

i am for sure vaping more than i ever smoked...partially because i can. i am thinking it is just a transitional thing....

 

[Statistic]

I vape WAYYYY more than I smoked. IMO I think it's totally normal, especially when it's so thoroughly enjoyable.

I wouldn't be alarmed. If it does concern you then either try and vape less or switch to a lesser nic level so you can keep vaping like a madman. I've only been vaping for about 2 months now and I'm starting to slow down a little. Considering that I haven't bought a pack of stinkies in 2 months I will at times vape nonstop for hours, guilt free (with plenty of water on hand of course )

Funny thing though I feel less addicted to it than I ever felt about smoking. I vape a lot because I enjoy it. I smoked a lot because I was hopelessly (or so I thought) addicted to it. I vape 12mg.

As I said in my earlier post in this thread I think whether or not someone becomes more addicted to nic from vaping is totally subjective and depends on the choices they make.

 

[Aheadatime]

Cigs are chemical soups designed to make the nicotine super addictive and designed to deliver that nicotine to your brain and bloodstream immediately. Vaping 'wastes' more nicotine, and the nicotine that does get absorbed gets absorbed much slower vs cigs. This is why people chain vape. If you chain smoked as much as you chain vape, you'd throw up and pass out because you'd get nicotine OD. The fact that you're not experiencing nicotine OD symptoms while chain vaping is evidence enough. Truth is that you're getting much less nicotine and at a slower rate when you vape compared to when you smoked. Drink plenty of water and stop when your body tells you its had its fix.

 

[TomCatt]

Actually, there is some indication that nicotine by itself is not all that addictive. It's when it is used in conjunction with the other components found in cigarette smoke, such as MAOIs, that increases the addiction. Smoking addiction is much greater than nicotine addiction, IMO.

When I started vaping 2 years ago, I was vaping at 16/18mg level. I had no intention in reducing my nicotine level. About 9 months into vaping I started getting headaches and nauseous in the evenings - similar to when I chain smoked too many cigarettes. I was DIYing at that point, so for my next batch of juice I decrease the nicotine level to 12mg. No more headaches or nausea. The same thing started happening about 6 months after that; I've been vaping 6mg since then. I've tried vaping at 0mg; but I still need some nicotine in my juice at the moment.



ETA
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/25/38/8593.full.pdf+html

 

[Myk]

So, what I have gathered so far from almost all of you more experienced vapers is that it's rather common for a beginner vaper like myself to train vape at the beginning. Because of the difference between vaping and smoking, I may need to vape more to get the same satisfaction I am used to getting from smoking. But as I get more adapted to the difference between vaping and smoking, I will adjust my vaping habit to a level that I don't need to train vape anymore unless I choose to. Sounds about right?

Chain vaping at the start is not only how it worked when I switched to ecigs but was how it worked when I switched from cigarettes to a non-inhaled pipe with extremely high nicotine. That's getting all the WTA's and a greatly increased dose of nicotine. But the second I set the pipe down I'd desire a cigarette (that went on for a month compared to about 2 days with ecigs) even when I set the pipe down because I was turning green from too much nicotine.
There's definitely more to cigarettes than just nicotine and tobacco.
Even now that I'd say my nicotine addiction is higher, compared to my cigarette addiction it's much less. Now that it's been a year I find it pretty easy to set the ecig down and do something. When I do desire nicotine I can take a few hits and get my fix.

 

[cbfairbanks]

Just to echo other comments, I also started back in January at 24mg, then cut to 18mg, then 15mg, and now I am ordering everything in 12 mg. I don't really care if I ever get to 0mg, as long as my blood pressure is ok, which was my original reason for dropping from 24mg.

Like caffeine, nicotine is addictive but also has some benefits as well. These include increased focus, mental sharpness, and a calming feeling, which is interesting considering that both are stimulants. In both cases this is probably due more to the lessening of withdraw symptoms as opposed to anything biochemical such as taking kava root for its calming effect.

 

[bvguitars]

One of my first indications that this "need" for nicotine was so different from the analogs is that first thing in the morning I didn't reach for my PV, it might be an hour after my first cup of coffee. And I didn't find the need to vape the moment I got into the car (this was also a terrible habit.) No reaching for the PV right after I ate...those were my "aha" moments when I realized all those other chemicals were out of my system and I vape happily whenever I feel like it.

Im finding the same thing with me. I am now convinced that there is something else in cigs that is the larger addiction. I chuckled today when I hand not vape until lunch, just did think of it til then. Now don't get me wrong, in a steam junkie these days, but it's not the same. I also went from 24mg to 12mg and been doing fine!

 

[non stop extreme 13]

i think it cuts the addiction because you can pick how much you get