Vaping Myth: Inhaling anything other than fresh air is bad

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Racehorse

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The Romans created and oversaw a thriving civilization in which most of the urban populations drank water from lead pipes for hundreds of years. :)

Yeah, but they didn't connect the dots with all the birth defects.

And their children, once born, were not having their blood tested for lead when they turned up with brain damage, learning difficulties, behavioural problems, kidney damage, hearing impairment, and growth ......ation.

They probably just attributed all these things to some kind of gods or forces, instead of the real culprit, which was LEAD.
 

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We are in the process of shutting down one of our factories in Guelph because they could not meet our safety or worker's rights standards. Our inspectors found the government guidelines and worker safety standards to be 'appalling'- in his words.

A good and bad thing. IMHO the owners should have made it safe and kept it open. But our government won't help with this. I hope the owners are fined big time. How many are losing their jobs because of this?
 

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OMG, I was about to go to sleep, now I can't stop giggling. Thanks for the laugh.

Uh-oh, DC2, again, I am so, so very sorry. Bad me, bad, bad me. :cry: I'll go sit in my little corner now.
 
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the most likely cause for unforeseen health concerns down the road lies with the two primary components of vapor, PG and VG -- which, perhaps ironically, aren't regarded as toxic

That is odd, since most of the people on ECF with backgrounds in chemistry seem to suspect that it will be the flavoring components, not the pg or vg, that at present bear further examination.
 

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Hence my saying not all of the gunk was good for them. I had to read a load of anthropology papers in college, made me go cross-eyed. There is plenty of evidence that the smoke, among other things, had an impact on some of them. Little confused about where romanticizing the past comes from.

I'm not saying that you were romanticizing the past! Many people do though. "Back in the good old days before industry, traffic, chemicals. Back when man and nature were in harmony, yada yada." Many people have this misconception.
 

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DC2, if you were posting as musing, and just opinion, I could give a "like" but unless you are able to support such claims with a medical background as a pulomonology specialist, and/or an advanced chemist's degree, it is just conjecture.

It may be comforting conjecture, but it's still conjecture nevertheless. ;)

As I have shared, I am doing my vaping journey under the full care of my doctor, and i have baseline lung xrays, indepth blood profiles, ect that were taken before I started vaping. I DO however believe that unless you have certain underlying medical conditions, that nicotine is not at all harmful. I have enough M.D. treaters at this point in my life to believe this, based on medical data. So I agree with WarHawk on this.

However, the jury is still out on breathing flavorings, as well as things like some of the metals and silica and stuff that we vaporize the eliquid on. Nobody knows yet. And there are some small molecule stuff in certain flavors that is worrisome even to some of those with chemistry backgrounds right on ECF.

for now, I believe the best way to define vaping is how it is defined now: HARM REDUCTION.

To take it further than that, without at least a decade of real study, is not something I feel comfortable with.

A very high qualification requirement for a like-worthy opinion. I am not sure many posters here meet this rather lofty requirement. I like hearing the conjecture of regular people all the time. I would only require a medical background as a pulomonology specialist from someone who represented themselves as such.
 

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That is odd, since most of the people on ECF with backgrounds in chemistry seem to suspect that it will be the flavoring components, not the pg or vg, that at present bear further examination.

The flavoring would have been my first guess too, as to potential problems in the future.

And I'm sure that not every possible flavor was tested in the analyses that Dr. Burstyn studied; there may well be some combination of flavors out there that forms a worrying amount of Bad Stuff to Inhale™ when vaporized; I certainly don't claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of all things flavoring.

I imagine, though, that Phillips' point in the paragraph I quoted is that, based purely on an analysis of the compounds detected in the vapor (including anything that arises from the vaporization of flavorings, if any are present), the amounts of known toxins or known potential toxins aren't high enough for concern. The amount of PG/VG is vastly higher, orders of magnitude higher, and so it's worth mentioning that that level of unprecedented exposure, among millions of people and over a long period of time, might yield unforeseen results. Probably not horrific results, but the matter's worth keeping an eye on.

Phillips is an epidemiologist, so he's a large-scale and long-view kinda guy. I highly doubt he'd rule out the possibility that this-or-that flavor combination might prove unhealthy, but his argument really isn't intended to encompass every possible vapor combination (or every battery's safety, for that matter). He's concerned with the risk factors inherent to vaping. And he seems to think that vaping's far less inherently risky than, say, riding a bike to work.

Take that for what you will. Personally, I think it's silly to require iron-clad proof that an activity is safe when there's evidence to suggest that there's only trivial risk involved with that activity. When someone (anyone) refers to proof that vaping is safe, what they really mean in this context is proof that vaping ISN'T UNsafe (or worse, proof that vaping can never be unsafe), which is problematic because it leads us down the proverbial prove-a-negative rabbit hole. For the foreseeable future, someone will always be able to say that we haven't sufficiently proved the universal absence of unsafety associated with vaping.

And because vaping is an activity that resembles smoking, even if it carried zero risk there would still be people who irrationally disapprove of it. This issue is more about skewed morality than it is about health.
 
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I used to get sick every month or two when I smoked, nasty sore throats and infections in my sinuses that made it painful just to swallow. Since I started vaping 8 months ago, that hasn't happened even once! It may just be the fact that I'm not smoking anymore, but I think the anti-bacterial properties of PG may have something to do with it. I'm no expert, but I do think that inhaling PG might have beneficial effects! I live in a city in the Alpine region of France, and because the city is surrounded by mountains, it's sort of like a bowl, filled with car fumes. I think that inhaling PG and VG might be a nice break for my lungs :p
 

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If you rephrase to "inhaling anything but fresh air is worse than inhaling fresh air" I think it's not just a myth. Our lungs are self-cleaning organs (gotta love those). However, the real question is "Is inhaling what we vaporize bad?". As to which no one can answer with certainty. Can't help but wonder if I cough and get a taste of Butterfly Bait or somesuch in my mouth. I still choose to see it as less harmful than smoking until proven otherwise, and will keep blowing little fluffy clouds. Jokingly, in case of a zombie apocalypse, I' thinking the zombies will find my lungs awesome tasting... and they'll have to chase me slightly further to get at them thanks to not smoking.

There's no denying we're setting a precedent for stuff usually not inhaled in great concentrations. Only time will tell.
 

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A good and bad thing. IMHO the owners should have made it safe and kept it open. But our government won't help with this. I hope the owners are fined big time. How many are losing their jobs because of this?

Corporate won't spend $millions to keep a small factory open when the same product lines can be incorporated into other facilities.
90. They have been offered severances, re-training or offers at other facilities.
 
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