Vaping Respect and common courtesy

[Boothvilleboi]

We all have our own personal convictions. Its interesting to hear different views and what some consider polite. And some who really could care less. Its like one said if your a douche with vaping then youre probably a douche all the way around, so i guess maybe people wouldnt associate vaping with it.

 

[Plumes.91]

Pass it to the left hand side

 

[jazon1]

here in New Mexico (at least in my area) vaping is pretty common i dont even remember the last time i was asked what it was i was using,pretty much everywhere i go here people are vaping,the mall here is literally full of people vaping,it does not seem to bother any non smokers that i have seen here,it seems like most people here know what they are these days and are ok with it.
but just the same i wont vape next to someone without asking if it would bother them, i know i would want the same curtsey.

 

[bja0715]

I vape pretty openly if there is space. If its a crowded area I can wait or go stealth. But if there are kids around I won't even try to vape. Most places let me after a quick demonstration.

 

[fwellers]

You know, all the arguments for for vaping "politely" can also be used to argue that gay people should stay in the closet. I understand courtesy and boundaries, but I also understand that catering to irrational, culturally ingrained phobias also enables them. Vaping submissively and vaping in other people's faces aren't the only two choices, and you can be assertive at the right times and in the right ways without being an extremist. But I do understand that timidity and submission are easier than assertion and the conflict that sometimes accompanies it.

From here on out, I think I'll call the anti-vaping crowd "nicophobes." Can we just get over our nicophobia?

Very well said. It expresses my feelings pretty darn well. Not to be an extremist, to have basic courtesy and respect, but not to cater to other people's irrational phobias while making myself into a second class citizen. That's the way I feel it should be !!

Although I'm not sure if it's nicophobia or smokeaphobia with people.

 

[skorpiankh]

Honestly, I vape everywhere. Sometimes it's stealthy like at a movie theater or restaurant. I've been asked about it a few times but no one has ever thought it was smoking since it doesn't smell like an analog. Once I explain what it is I usually get complimented for trying to quit smoking. I've never had a bad reaction. Just luck I guess.

 

[Ryedan]

If thats the case then youre already living on borrowed time. Some people are going to complain no matter what you do. Cant live your life trying to appease those types of people. In actuality youre placing yourself in a subservient position to them because you'll notice they arent going of their way to make you comfy are they?

In the short term hiding it away and willingly walking over to the smoking section might seem like a good idea but it reinforces negative stereotypes associated with smokers....now theyre being associated with you too.

Just dont be surprised or angry when acting like smokers gets us dragged down along with them.

Their world gets smaller and smaller every year while ours SHOULD be expanding.

Im not saying anyone needs to be obnoxious about it but theres no reason to hide like a naughty kid either, were all adults who arent doing anything wrong.

Thanks for stating the opposing point of view Zapped! Some good points too . It will be interesting to see which course of action proves the best for vapers in the long run.

 

[dejavoodoo]

You know, all the arguments for for vaping "politely" can also be used to argue that gay people should stay in the closet. I understand courtesy and boundaries, but I also understand that catering to irrational, culturally ingrained phobias also enables them. Vaping submissively and vaping in other people's faces aren't the only two choices, and you can be assertive at the right times and in the right ways without being an extremist. But I do understand that timidity and submission are easier than assertion and the conflict that sometimes accompanies it.

From here on out, I think I'll call the anti-vaping crowd "nicophobes." Can we just get over our nicophobia?

THIS is the point seldom made. Like most issues, our behavior doesn't have to conform with either extreme. I casually vape most everywhere, just carry on like it's no big deal. Nothing to see here folks, move along...

I always ask in restaurants, bars, etc. If told no, I'm very polite, put it away and never return. No fuss, no muss.

The non-chalant method has always worked for me. I think it helps to promote the vaping community and anything less is just self-stigmatization. I'll be darned if I'm gonna act ashamed or appologetic.

 

[DC2]

You know, all the arguments for for vaping "politely" can also be used to argue that gay people should stay in the closet. I understand courtesy and boundaries, but I also understand that catering to irrational, culturally ingrained phobias also enables them. Vaping submissively and vaping in other people's faces aren't the only two choices, and you can be assertive at the right times and in the right ways without being an extremist. But I do understand that timidity and submission are easier than assertion and the conflict that sometimes accompanies it.

Everyone has opinions on this issue, and that's nice.
But this is the correct answer.

 

[fwellers]

Thanks for stating the opposing point of view Zapped! Some good points too . It will be interesting to see which course of action proves the best for vapers in the long run.

I have read stuff from CASAA members who think ( probably correctly ) that it doesn't much matter how we behave to the general public. The decisions involved are made based on politics and money and have nothing to do with real people. So no matter what happens, and we mostly think we know how it's gonna end up ( BAD ), it won't be because we behaved this way or that way.

 

[bols2DaWall]

I always ask in restaurants, bars, etc. If told no, I'm very polite, put it away and never return. No fuss, no muss.
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Not to argue but this is what i don't get , you'd never return , you're punishing that establishment for trying to make "everyones" dining experience enjoyable . What if 1/2 the place was vaping and clouds were forming while you were trying to eat etc. Surely it wouldn't hurt to pop in the john or wherever for a quick vape .

 

[fwellers]

I always ask in restaurants, bars, etc. If told no, I'm very polite, put it away and never return. No fuss, no muss.
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Not to argue but this is what i don't get , you'd never return , you're punishing that establishment for trying to make "everyones" dining experience enjoyable . What if 1/2 the place was vaping and clouds were forming while you were trying to eat etc. Surely it wouldn't hurt to pop in the john or wherever for a quick vape .

For me I don't let people's petty rules affect my life. I never was much on vaping in a restaurant, but if I feel the need for a hit, I will definitely do it stealthily no matter what the rules are. Nobody is ever the wiser.

 

[DC2]

Not to argue but this is what i don't get , you'd never return , you're punishing that establishment for trying to make "everyones" dining experience enjoyable . What if 1/2 the place was vaping and clouds were forming while you were trying to eat etc. Surely it wouldn't hurt to pop in the john or wherever for a quick vape .

If half the place was vaping, the other half would only be there if they were okay with it.
And it would be a wise move, since our vapor is sterilizing the place and making it a more healthy place to eat.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I always ask in restaurants, bars, etc. If told no, I'm very polite, put it away and never return. No fuss, no muss.
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Not to argue but this is what i don't get , you'd never return , you're punishing that establishment for trying to make "everyones" dining experience enjoyable . What if 1/2 the place was vaping and clouds were forming while you were trying to eat etc. Surely it wouldn't hurt to pop in the john or wherever for a quick vape .

I would never return because there are too many vape-friendly places I can go to tolerate an establishment that does not permit vaping. I am not going to make a scene, it is the restaurant owner's choice as to what they permit and I respect their choice. By the same token, it is my choice not to frequent any place that does not permit something that adds to my experience. I have reserved private rooms in restaurants before to make sure I can vape, and I am happy to pay the premium for it.

I am lost as to how I am "punishing" anyone by choosing another restaurant, bar, etc. Am I somehow obligated to support a restaurant that does not permit vaping? I don't think I am at all. I am no more obligated to support them then they are to permit my vaping. They make their choices, I make mine accordingly. The places that take the best care of me get my business.

 

[cags]

I'm old and that may affect some of my (possibly grumpy) opinions....... and for the record, I do not hide or flaunt my vaping. if wallmat makes me wait in line too long I'll steal a vape or two, but generally if it's a non smoking place I don't vape (I am capable of going an hour without a cig or vape.)

I figure that my rights end where another persons rights start. I'ts just a matter of common courtesy.

I don't feel that way anymore since smokers started getting persecuted and treated like trashy second class citizens. I don't like screaming, smelly, undisciplined kids, but parents think it's ok to invade my rights. I don't like perfumes, but people think it's ok to invade my rights. etc, etc, etc..... in fact that saying seems to come from antz.......

Yup , considerate people are considerate people , others think it's their God given right to force their views and vapor on all .

the antz are forcing their views on me

Very well said. It expresses my feelings pretty darn well. Not to be an extremist, to have basic courtesy and respect, but not to cater to other people's irrational phobias while making myself into a second class citizen. That's the way I feel it should be !!

it seems like it is only smokers/vapors who are concerned about being courteous. one of the things I miss about the "good old days" - people were courteous, regardless of your activities. the antz are the least courteous people I know.

I always ask in restaurants, bars, etc. If told no, I'm very polite, put it away and never return. No fuss, no muss.

Not to argue but this is what i don't get , you'd never return , you're punishing that establishment for trying to make "everyones" dining experience enjoyable . What if 1/2 the place was vaping and clouds were forming while you were trying to eat etc. Surely it wouldn't hurt to pop in the john or wherever for a quick vape .

I think if I want to not give my business to a place that doesn't agree with my beliefs, etc, that is absolutely my right. and you should stand up for your rights and beliefs!
I refuse to buy any Scott (garden products) items because last I heard even their employee's familys can't smoke at home. really? lost my business. I refuse to shop at lowes because they ban smoking in the parking lot (among other things I don't like about them). really? lost my business....

 

[zapped]

I would never return because there are too many vape-friendly places I can go to tolerate an establishment that does not permit vaping. I am not going to make a scene, it is the restaurant owner's choice as to what they permit and I respect their choice. By the same token, it is my choice not to frequent any place that does not permit something that adds to my experience. I have reserved private rooms in restaurants before to make sure I can vape, and I am happy to pay the premium for it.

I am lost as to how I am "punishing" anyone by choosing another restaurant, bar, etc. Am I somehow obligated to support a restaurant that does not permit vaping? I don't think I am at all. I am no more obligated to support them then they are to permit my vaping. They make their choices, I make mine accordingly. The places that take the best care of me get my business.

I agree, the only thing I might do differently is return to the restaurants that say no long enough to hand them a copy of Ken Cuccinellis letter and see what they have to say then.If they still say no after reading that they wont ever get a dime of my business.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I agree, the only thing I might do differently is return to the restaurants that say no long enough to hand them a copy of Ken Cuccinellis letter and see what they have to say then.If they still say no after reading that they wont ever get a dime of my business.

I always politely tell them, "I am sorry you have decided not to permit vaping, I cannot support your business."

I always want feedback from my customers, so I always let business owners/managers know how their business decisions impact them. I hope it will help them to reconsider, but I respect their choice either way. The way I see it, the reason for their choice is none of my business. It may be the right one for them, it just is the wrong one for me.

 

[Plumes.91]

Also be sure to tell them you will be reviewing their facility as a vape-free facility on yelp and google reviews. wouldn't hurt to let them know the no-vape rule has pushed you over the edge and you wont stay silent about their room temp pastrami on rye either.

 

[Skinny Pete]

We should take the courtesy to vape outside away from other people or kids in public places because juice still has nicotine in it. My friend has a 3 year old daughter and stopped vaping around her daughter because her daughter had allergic reaction to the vapor. Reddened rashy skin and flushed face, and she was crying. So now she vapes outside and away from her daughter just like she did with cigarettes. Vaping is a much healthier alternative to smoking but there's still things in it that might make other people allergic or bug the crap out of them. Let's not use it as an excuse to put peeps in an uncomfortable situation...

 

[Boothvilleboi]

Well said skinny pete