VERSION 2.5 Vision ViVi Nova Is IN STOCK Now, VIVI NOVA Review Thread
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Mines like smoking rubber. Its a lot more black then the one in the picture. They need metal. I tried all kinds of diff things. Essentially the issue is keeping the lower wire section from glowing before the top coil does. Nothing I can do till that part is figured out. Vision must know this and is working on fixing it if they have yet to do so. I swear, every time I think I have it fixed it dries out and is nasty again. Still have yet to get good taste, but I had TH and clouds at one time. Too bad that didnt last long.
yeah the coil ohms are all over the place by the looks of it. dont have an ohm reader so i dont know where mine are at.
I re-wicked with fiberglass (not a fan of fiberglass mind you) wick this evening and it seems to me that made as much difference as anything. There is no doubt the grommet needs improved though. The taste however was vastly improved. Went from non-vapable, to usable.
ARGH!!! I just rebuilt one of my heads and picked up my vivi only to find the tank is loaded with leaking cracks on both thread ends and the plastic is frosted over. I had high hopes with the rebuilding option on the heads but they need to stop using this type of plastic for tanks
Oh snap, That sucks for sure. Its not bad enough you spent the time to rebuild it, then the tank craps out. I've personally never had juice do that to a tank. Not sure what high octane juice you folks are using but it sure knocks the cocks off mine.
To be honest thats what one thing I dont get about vision. They had to know it would break. Its not like the VS did not have the same issue, and they changed it 3 times, but kept the same tank every time. Now this. What does it take? My tank is fine, but now I know its only a matter of time and its wont be fine anymore. I hate responding to stuff like this but its like hitting your head on a desk. How many times are you going to do it, till you notice it hurts? At the same time I have to ask that same question to myself.
The clear tanks are polycarbonate as mentioned when these were first announced... so I don't know why people are complaining about cracked and glazed tanks when this is a known issue with this type of plastic when used with certain types of e-juice. It is a case of "if you know it hurts, don't do it"...
This is also why they are going to offer the metal tanks for these. So if you know you are going to use a juice known to cause cracking issues... wait until the metal takes are released ... otherwise there isn't much room for .....in' IMO
This is also why they are going to offer the metal tanks for these. So if you know you are going to use a juice known to cause cracking issues... wait until the metal takes are released ... otherwise there isn't much room for .....in' IMO
Now here is what I do not understand: these heads are the same as the Stardust heads, aren't they? So why is it that the coils in Stardusts don't do this - at least not that was ever reported? I mean, light up the leads way before lighting up the coil itself? What's the difference? If it wasn't for overheating leads, the rubber wouldn't burn, there would be more taste, etc, etc, etc. So why is this happening to some heads on the ViVi, while it didn't happen in Stardusts at all?
I have a mind-boggling curiosity about this.
As for the tanks clouding, cracking, etc... I agree with Rdsok. We know what this stuff is, we know some juices don't like it.
We have metal tanks coming for those who want to vape those juices. There is even long thread on the "cartomizers" forum collecting the list of all the juices that do this.
There are also juices that may not crack the thing but will leach horrible tasting something-or-other out of *all* clearomizer tubes - only the pyrex is exempt. Among them are all "naturally macerated" tobacco juices. They taste great in a Boge, but man, or man, what a horror in a clearo!
Anyways. There it is.
I have a mind-boggling curiosity about this.
As for the tanks clouding, cracking, etc... I agree with Rdsok. We know what this stuff is, we know some juices don't like it.
We have metal tanks coming for those who want to vape those juices. There is even long thread on the "cartomizers" forum collecting the list of all the juices that do this.
There are also juices that may not crack the thing but will leach horrible tasting something-or-other out of *all* clearomizer tubes - only the pyrex is exempt. Among them are all "naturally macerated" tobacco juices. They taste great in a Boge, but man, or man, what a horror in a clearo!
Anyways. There it is.
Plenty of room if you think about it instead of ranting and starting a pissing contest that you cant win.
So the thought process begins:
You may want a tank that you can see inside of but u dont want it to break or be told what juice u can vape it with. Furthermore not everyone knows what juice will break a poly tank. Did you get the warning when u opened the box or at check out?
Well here is the arry act 3. Its been out for a while and is a well known clear tank that will not break.
Arry tank discription:
No slipping, no leaking and NO cracking due to a new chemical resistant material being used.
This material is actually very well know, and a syringe tank the same size cost me 28 cents to make myself. So it cant cost that much to use. Even if it did we would pay it just to know it wont break.
The question was also asked. Whats the tank made out of before hand, and no one would tell us. If u find a dated answer then by all means show me. I will kick myself in the balls if u can.
The last thing I can think of to ask is that if you know it will break then why make it? Its been said and the answer you gave was not exceptable. For that matter why not wait till something you know will not break to come out and only sell them. Not the ones that you know will break. How else can I put it so you will understand. I feel like I have some say here cause I know business and you don't make choices like that if you want to keep people happy and run a tight ship. I could go on all night so you decide how far you want to go. You take the poke at me and I will respond. The only way this gets over is if you let it. Are you the door mat? Fun boy? I dont think I am being unreasonable. This is not a poke at GV that is behind me. This is a response to the poke you took at me.
striker911...
I can't find it now... but it was mentioned in the original thread where they weren't giving the name of the product at first ( later they did have a pic of it on the tube )... badkola was the one that stated they had updated the tube but it wasn't certain if certain juices would affect it yet ( at the time ) but they were also going to come out with the metal tubes later ...
So complain if you must... but the fact is that these are still a polycarbonite tube which is known to have issues with certain types of juices... Either way... there will be a solution once they get the other colored metal tanks for these in.
I can't find it now... but it was mentioned in the original thread where they weren't giving the name of the product at first ( later they did have a pic of it on the tube )... badkola was the one that stated they had updated the tube but it wasn't certain if certain juices would affect it yet ( at the time ) but they were also going to come out with the metal tubes later ...
So complain if you must... but the fact is that these are still a polycarbonite tube which is known to have issues with certain types of juices... Either way... there will be a solution once they get the other colored metal tanks for these in.
Chill, folks.
Obviously, we all prefer that the tanks don't crack from any juice whatsoever. However, if we want a tank to be completely chemically inert (and "chemically resistant" does not equate to "chemically intert" as my experience with leeching demonstrates - that happened with Fluxo tubes, and they don't crack), we'd better stick with pyrex.
Personally, I don't want to pay over 40 bucks for my tank. I can't afford it. So I'll stick with these and avoid the juices that they react with. And if I want to use those juices, I'll get the metal tube. It's a compromise, but I can live with it.
If the Chinese make a pyrex tank, it'll be a lot more expensive than this one, I'm sure, just as the pyrex tanks that are made here are more expensive. I love phiniac tanks, but it'll be awhile before I can afford to get one - and I'd just as soon wait until they come out with something you can stick a CE2-ish innards without the CE2 tube. Which will be awhile yet, I think.
As to why the Chinese don't make these tanks out of better plastic (chemically resistant), who knows. People who design and build these things are not stupid. Either they are not aware that one plastic is better than the other, juice-interaction-wise, or they don't care. You'll have to ask them which it is. I hope it's the first, and it's not entirely unbelievable either. Chinese juices don't crack these tubes, after all.
Getting angry on this forum is worse than pointless.
Obviously, we all prefer that the tanks don't crack from any juice whatsoever. However, if we want a tank to be completely chemically inert (and "chemically resistant" does not equate to "chemically intert" as my experience with leeching demonstrates - that happened with Fluxo tubes, and they don't crack), we'd better stick with pyrex.
Personally, I don't want to pay over 40 bucks for my tank. I can't afford it. So I'll stick with these and avoid the juices that they react with. And if I want to use those juices, I'll get the metal tube. It's a compromise, but I can live with it.
If the Chinese make a pyrex tank, it'll be a lot more expensive than this one, I'm sure, just as the pyrex tanks that are made here are more expensive. I love phiniac tanks, but it'll be awhile before I can afford to get one - and I'd just as soon wait until they come out with something you can stick a CE2-ish innards without the CE2 tube. Which will be awhile yet, I think.
As to why the Chinese don't make these tanks out of better plastic (chemically resistant), who knows. People who design and build these things are not stupid. Either they are not aware that one plastic is better than the other, juice-interaction-wise, or they don't care. You'll have to ask them which it is. I hope it's the first, and it's not entirely unbelievable either. Chinese juices don't crack these tubes, after all.
Getting angry on this forum is worse than pointless.
they simply couldnt find the proper one, i looked as well, the one we found where not clear defeating the purpose, we had them try a few types and while some worked well and didnt crack they would leach, and others that didnt leach would crack with those juices, this was actually spear headed by another vendor who sent them many juices to show how the tubes are affected.
this is why we had them add the metal tube so people can have the best of both worlds while they solve the clear tank issue fully, we found tubes that are perfect but they melt when you add threading, others would leak becuase the material while strong was soft when adding threads.
but as you will all see soon enough, they have found a tube that does what you all want and that is not crack, but they just started with this and still needs to worked on a little longer, once they are ready we will have those tubes as well and you can use them on your vivi.
we will start seeing also a new plastic for the stardust which is out there now and we also have them coming in the next few days.
I dont think this is a case of them not wanting to give people better plastic, since your going to get it. i think this is more a case of them playing catch up, you guys dont realize how much vendors help after a product is released by passing along information they can use. china makes great stuff but sometimes its the users who cause the commotion to get them to make the changes we all feel are needed and thats been happening, just wait a few weeks to a month and youll see alot of what you all wish for just appearing into the market.
this is why we had them add the metal tube so people can have the best of both worlds while they solve the clear tank issue fully, we found tubes that are perfect but they melt when you add threading, others would leak becuase the material while strong was soft when adding threads.
but as you will all see soon enough, they have found a tube that does what you all want and that is not crack, but they just started with this and still needs to worked on a little longer, once they are ready we will have those tubes as well and you can use them on your vivi.
we will start seeing also a new plastic for the stardust which is out there now and we also have them coming in the next few days.
I dont think this is a case of them not wanting to give people better plastic, since your going to get it. i think this is more a case of them playing catch up, you guys dont realize how much vendors help after a product is released by passing along information they can use. china makes great stuff but sometimes its the users who cause the commotion to get them to make the changes we all feel are needed and thats been happening, just wait a few weeks to a month and youll see alot of what you all wish for just appearing into the market.
See your causing issues that you really dont need to cause. What I stated was how I felt after working on fixing other problems with the VN. Now this. So ya im annoyed about the tank. I could care less if my stupid tank broke. I know how to make my own. What I was trying to do was be a voice. What you dont know is that I have been working on fixing issues with this tank for other peoples benefit for the last 3 days and posting clips on things I did fix all the meanwhile answering questions all day long from people that want and need help. So no I dont need someone poking me in the side. I said it before and I will say it again. If u dont want my help then so be it. I will just kick rocks and find something else to do, like build on my VV mod. What did you bring but drama? Now I feel like Bad but its worse. I dont get paid. I take a kick to the side for it.
That's great to know, Bad. I absolutely believe that the vendors are giving feedback and cooperating with the manufacturers and engineers. That's the way it should be.
I will admit to a bit of skepticism as to their diligence in listening - but I hope I'm wrong. Perhaps the e-cig industry is more responsive than some others. Like pet food industry, for instance.
I think cooperation between customers, vendors and producers is a wonderful (if, unfortunately, all too rare nowadays) way to grow the industry. And, to counteract my own skepticism, I must say that there are other ways in which this industry is an exception in my experience. Customer service, for one. Creativity, for another. So, hopefully, it's all good.
I still like Pyrex as the tank material though. Now, if someone would make a Pyrex tank for the Nova...
I will admit to a bit of skepticism as to their diligence in listening - but I hope I'm wrong. Perhaps the e-cig industry is more responsive than some others. Like pet food industry, for instance.
I think cooperation between customers, vendors and producers is a wonderful (if, unfortunately, all too rare nowadays) way to grow the industry. And, to counteract my own skepticism, I must say that there are other ways in which this industry is an exception in my experience. Customer service, for one. Creativity, for another. So, hopefully, it's all good.
I still like Pyrex as the tank material though. Now, if someone would make a Pyrex tank for the Nova...
I just wanted to say - in case anyone cares - that I don't blame the ViVi for an occasional funky head. Nor do I blame the ViVi for getting me so excited about this totally cool tank system that I've been following forums and reviews religiously and spending quite a lot of time doing it.
But there is one thing I do blame the ViVi for: for the first time ever, since starting smoking 30 years ago, or vaping 3 years ago, I ODed ON NIC!
- that I don't blame the ViVi for an occasional funky head. Nor do I blame the ViVi for getting me so excited about this totally cool tank system that I've been following forums and reviews religiously and spending quite a lot of time doing it. But there is one thing I do blame the ViVi for: for the first time ever, since starting smoking 30 years ago, or vaping 3 years ago, I ODed ON NIC!
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I had previously spoken with a maker of pyrex tanks who told me that coring them out with threading just isn't feasible with the kind of uniformity needed for this type of project.
I can see that. I'd imagine it could be done with one of those high-precision 3D laser "copying" machines - but that's out of range for an artisan manufacturer. Chinese could do it, probably...
Another way to do it is to inset threaded metal rings into the ends of the pyrex tank. That would work.
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