We need to banish the word E-cigarette

[calico21]

So the first item on the agenda is ask the person who confronts you do smell anything? Then educate, I went to a bar in a particularly religious town a week ago. Apostolic Christian(look it up if you don't know) and vaped inside without asking. Granted you ain't likely to see AC in a bar but not a word was uttered. If you are not familiar with the laws in IL smoking is prohibited just about anywhere except your house. I totally work on providing information to anyone;;;whether in the end they actually hear it is their probzzzz. Call it what you want, I absolutely do depending on who I'm dealing with! If it is an uninformed civilian, you bet I'm calling it a PV and explaining. No e-cig here.

 

[stevegmu]

And drinking cola looks like drinking coffee?

Perception is everything. The perception of the truth needs to become unperverted. Is that a word lol.

If soda were sold in coffee cups, yes.

There will always be a smoker who lights up near a vaper in an area where smoking is not allowed and when confronted will say, 'but he's smoking.' Perception often trumps truth.

 

[sonicdsl]

As someone said recently about this, the cat is already out of the bag.... it can't be put back in. They've been e-cigs for 10 years, no way to change it now.

We should focus our energies on working with CASAA to fight the battles ahead with legislation and policies.

 

[Ebred]

You are expecting to fix an insurmountable problem by applying a name change and thinking that somehow will erase any correlation between vaping and smoking. Those connections were made years ago and changing the label from "e-cig" to "happy pumpkin" won't fix anything. The people who don't want to acknowledge there is any difference will say "people are smoking happy pumkpins to replace cigarettes" anyway. You cannot simply erase the connections between smoking and vaping by calling it something else. No matter what new label you may want to put on it, the majority of us only arrived here because we were smoking to begin with. E-cigs didn't pop out of a Magic hat to replace... nothing at all. Quite the opposite. As long as you inhale "it", "it" looks like smoking, and you use "it" to replace smoking, calling "it" anything else won't matter.

This isn't the first time this topic has been around the block. It is what is is. Education and awareness is what is needed. A name change would only fall in the realm of a marketing gimmick. After they started selling the Ford Edsel, calling it something else wouldn't have changed anything. Too little, too late for a product rename to matter now. Deeming proposals are all of a month away.

im expecting to change by the same means the perception began. Look back in history and I believe you shall find many perception changes based upon group input. For good and ill.
When someone say we tried that and it didn't work. Go look.
It makes me ill. It prevents progress and prevents the want of input. I hear it incesintly at work. With that attitude, I do the "impossible" where I work
So forgive me for believing we aren't defeated

 

[stevegmu]

and we should be held accountable/responsible/culpable because their hobby is similar to ours...or ours theirs?

It is what it is. There's no way around it. My e-nic devices produce a substance which look like smoke from a distance. This is why I can't vape in my car at work. Someone may think I am smoking. Everyone knows I quit smoking and use pvs., but someone from Corporate may be visiting, see me 'smoking' in my car, and heads would roll. If there were a delivery system which released absolutely no visible vapor, I wouldn't use it. Producing and emitting vapor is part of vaping. Without it, it would just be a nicotine inhaler.

 

[Chas F.]

That is why I call them personal vapers when trying to educate...I use the quote's in the air "e-cig" so they know what I am talking about...showed my buddy the 17packs of cigarettes in 4 minutes youtube video...all he could do say was "disgusting" then I explained to him pv's DON'T have ANY of that, except a tiny bit of nicotine

I think he understands now

I use the same term. I don't want people I'm talking to associating vaping with smoking because they are not the same.

Butters...interesting name. I used to play a MMO with a guy with that name.

 

[degnr8]

Here we go yet again. I just saw a great recipe for bacon cheese burger meat loaf

 

[Ebred]

A great place to start is here. The ecf. I believe I find the name PVF more suiting. Where best to make the change than at home? If there are upper/owners of ecf reading this post. What would it take to change the name? What would be the limiting factors. You have many supporters here standing by to change. Some, not all.

 

[Stef.]

I get your point, but I honesty don't think the name matters.
The real problem is that it looks like smoking.

I agree. Some of the "vaps" even look like real cigarettes and they emit smoke like real ones, albeit without the stink. From some distance they are quite often hard to distinguish from the real ones. Personally I have switched to a model that does not look at all like the real thing and since I vape those my life got much easier as people can tell from the look that it is not a cigarette.
Stef.

 

[Ebred]

If soda were sold in coffee cups, yes.

There will always be a smoker who lights up near a vaper in an area where smoking is not allowed and when confronted will say, 'but he's smoking.' Perception often trumps truth.

I agree. That's why it's key to change perception.

 

[Ebred]

Sorry about posting my blog. Did not know it was not appropriate here. I have one posted on another location as well. I shall remove it

 

[RobinBanks]

Sounds like a lot of you are expecting the anti-e-cig corps to use critical thinking?

 

[Dammage]

I'll be in the basement with my flavored nicotine inhaler let me know how this turns out

 

[Rickajho]

Here we go yet again. I just saw a great recipe for bacon cheese burger meat loaf

But calling it a "meat loaf" is the real problem. It implies your food is lazy. Or the cook is lazy. Or you're trying to make everyone believe there is actually meat in it when they all know it's really recycled pig snout. (The anti meat loaf crowd read that on the internet so it must be true.) Yup - gotta change that name. If you do everyone will believe your meat loaf is now a fruit cup.

Sigh... Time for some waffles too.

 

[Ebred]

If soda were sold in coffee cups, yes.

There will always be a smoker who lights up near a vaper in an area where smoking is not allowed and when confronted will say, 'but he's smoking.' Perception often trumps truth.

A smoker near a vaper AKA opportunity. I converted 2 people at work to vaping. Those two converted several more.
There are two that I will be lending my old batteries to to see if they like pv's. much of the workforce, where I work, is now smoke free!

 

[Ebred]

But calling it a "meat loaf" is the real problem. It implies your food is lazy. Or the cook is lazy. Or you're trying to make everyone believe there is actually meat in it when they all know it's really recycled pig snout. (The anti meat loaf crowd read that on the internet so it must be true.) Yup - gotta change that name. If you do everyone will believe your meat loaf is now a fruit cup.

Sigh... Time for some waffles too.

Here's a place to go be negative: http://Facebook.com
There's one thing worse than an ignorant person, that's a negative person!!

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

My husband and I call it my sucky-sucky but I really don't think that's going to catch on.

 

[Ebred]

My husband and I call it my sucky-sucky but I really don't think that's going to catch on.

It worked in Full Metal Jacket

 

[RobinBanks]

It worked in Full Metal Jacket

This is my sucky-sucky. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

 

[degnr8]

But calling it a "meat loaf" is the real problem. It implies your food is lazy. Or the cook is lazy. Or you're trying to make everyone believe there is actually meat in it when they all know it's really recycled pig snout. (The anti meat loaf crowd read that on the internet so it must be true.) Yup - gotta change that name. If you do everyone will believe your meat loaf is now a fruit cup.

Sigh... Time for some waffles too.

Are you trying to say recycled pig snout isn't meat???