What I hate about vaping

[kiwivap]

Please feel free to critisize my rant. I don't have anything against Chinese people or global trade, just the governments who alows the exploitation of their people.

No...just pointing out that your comments throughout this thread seemed extremely defensive and argumentative. Just thought someone should provide some sort of counter point to some of the logical fallacies used to prove your points.

The same could be said of yours - but that line of argumentation is off the point. We've already gone off the point in that way.

And actually, MANY of the products we buy support slavery. It doesn't mean on a personal level you support slavery, it just means that we support it financially, just as we support war with tax dollars even though we don't always agree with it.

Except I disagree - I don't believe buying Chinese made ecigs supports slavery at all. I've seen no evidence that it does.

 

[kiwivap]

And to the OP, I will point you to this video. I'm not arguing for either side, and I buy my juice from US manufacturers as well...but this is worth watching. Chinese E-liquid Manufacturing Facilities - YouTube

That's a good video - I've seen it before. Thanks for posting it. There's some on the forum who like Dekang. I liked what I tried too, but I like other juices as well.

 

[armchairnomad]

Did I say ecigs? Or did I say "many of the products we buy"? Man you have a problem seeing grey and only see in black and white.

 

[kiwivap]

Did I say ecigs? Or did I say "many of the products we buy"? Man you have a problem seeing grey and only see in black and white.

If you don't want an argument you wouldn't keep up with these sort of posts. This adds nothing to the discussion. I don't even know what your point is anymore. Mine is simple - not all ecigs made in China are garbage. Thousands of people use them and have quit smoking or cut down a lot. I've seen no evidence that buying ecigs from China supports slavery.

Whatever keeps you off the analogs is the right thing for you.

 

[armchairnomad]

If you don't want an argument you wouldn't keep up with these sort of posts. This adds nothing to the discussion. I don't even know what your point is anymore. Mine is simple - not all ecigs made in China are garbage. Thousands of people use them and have quit smoking or cut down a lot. I've seen no evidence that buying ecigs from China supports slavery.

Whatever keeps you off the analogs is the right thing for you.

And if you didn't want an argument you would respond to what was actually being said, instead of twisting comments around to continue the argument. The FACT is that MANY products we buy support slavery, and just because YOU haven't seen any that do doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

::Edit:: and I'm not ONLY talking about ecigs here.

 

[kiwivap]

And if you didn't want an argument you would respond to what was actually being said, instead of twisting comments around to continue the argument. The FACT is that MANY products we buy support slavery, and just because YOU haven't seen any that do doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I'm not interested in your "many products". Like I said, I'm discussing ecigs, which is what the OP was about. There is an Outside forum on ECF for discussing world politics.

 

[armchairnomad]

Besides, even though you haven't seen evidence of this, the media and information in China is SO locked down that unless you are undercover there, you never really know what's going on. When people visit, there is much trickery that goes on in Chinese manufacturing facilities to make everything look peachy keen, and this can be seen in the Wal-Mart documentary "The High Cost of Low Prices".

 

[armchairnomad]

I'm not interested in your "many products". Like I said, I'm discussing ecigs, which is what the OP was about. There is an Outside forum on ECF for discussing world politics.

Than you shouldn't have responded to the post saying "most products in China are crap" with "have you tried most products in China?" because that wasn't specifically about ecigs either.

 

[kiwivap]

Besides, even though you haven't seen evidence of this, the media and information in China is SO locked down that unless you are undercover there, you never really know what's going on. When people visit, there is much trickery that goes on in Chinese manufacturing facilities to make everything look peachy keen, and this can be seen in the Wal-Mart documentary "The High Cost of Low Prices".

If you go back on the thread you'll see that I said I've seen videos made by Americans who visited the ecig factories. I also posted one of Nhaler's visit.

Than you shouldn't have responded to the post saying "most products in China are crap" with "have you tried most products in China?" because that wasn't specifically about ecigs either.

I have already replied to you on this, Here.

 

[armchairnomad]

I have already replied to you on this.

Yes, and you made a point to say that you were talking about e-cigs again, which you weren't. So when others veer off topic too, and you accuse them of "going off topic", then you're accusing someone else of doing the exact same thing you were doing.

 

[kiwivap]

Yes, and you made a point to say that you were talking about e-cigs again, which you weren't. So when others veer off topic too, and you accuse them of "going off topic", then you're accusing someone else of doing the exact same thing you were doing.

This is pointless. You're just repeating the same attacks and not adding anything.

 

[armchairnomad]

And again, you obviously haven't seen "the high cost of low prices" because AMERICANs went into manufacturing facilities with women who mention being told what they could say, what they couldn't say, how to act, etc... You can post all the videos you want, that doesn't mean it's not going on. They have found toxic chemicals in Chinese milk, they've found toxic chemicals in Chinese toothpaste, they've found toxic chemicals and lead in children's toys, and they've found amounts of toxic substances in chinese e-liquid.

Case in point, if someone wants to put down Chinese manufacturers, were you hired to go around the internet making sure you try to prove them wrong? (sarcasm, in case it wasn't apparent).

 

[kiwivap]

Case in point, if someone wants to put down Chinese manufacturers, were you hired to go around the internet making sure you try to prove them wrong?

I snipped the rant. Hired to go around the internet? No.
You've been an ex-smoker for 2 days - great. Now chill and have a vape.

 

[armchairnomad]

I had one cigarette two days ago, so I changed my banner. I've been vaping for almost 6 months.

 

[kiwivap]

I had one cigarette two days ago, so I changed my banner. I've been vaping for almost 6 months.

Chill and have a vape. Seriously, if you want to debate all those things that's what the Outside forum is for. There was another thread like this that the mods moved there because it got into that sort of stuff.

 

[armchairnomad]

Chill and have a vape. Seriously, if you want to debate all those things that's what the Outside forum is for. There was another thread like this that the mods moved there because it got into that sort of stuff.

... are you talking about now? I was calmly responding to why my banner says two days. Jesus christ you think everything is a freaking argument!

 

[Kable]

Chill and have a vape. Seriously, if you want to debate all those things that's what the Outside forum is for. There was another thread like this that the mods moved there because it got into that sort of stuff.

Why don't we ALL chill and have a vape?

 

[kiwivap]

... are you talking about now? I was calmly responding to why my banner says two days. Jesus christ you think everything is a freaking argument!

Calm down. I meant it in a friendly way - I'm having a vape now myself.

 

[kiwivap]

Why don't we ALL chill and have a vape?

Indeed Kable - that's what I was thinking. Got some hazelnut with a bit of Dekang right now.

 

[armchairnomad]

Why don't we ALL chill and have a vape?

So you've been following I see...who won? LOL

Anyhow, I'm about out of juice. I have 3 orders I'm waiting for from 3 different vendors...one from MtBaker should be here Monday, just got email that my ecblendflavors just shipped, and AiV I have no idea. Probably a few more days on that one. Bout to smoke my last amount of juice in the carto until I taste the burning flavor. Worse is I'm going to have to wait until AFTER work on Monday to get my juice order that should be arriving then, so my banner may be changing again if I break down and bum a smoke or two.