What is so great about a Provari?

[ChiefAllDay]

Variable wattage isn't useless, it's less useful if you don't change ohms a lot. Look how many ProVari owners would love to have VW, I bet 50%+ would upgrade for this option alone.

You are putting words in actual Provari owners mouths. So I guess its free game now.

Most of the owners you spoke of, hell, I'd venture to guess all of the 50% you assumed would upgrade... All own vw vv mods, but don't use them nearly as much as the Provari. I don't touch mine any more. Why would I? The vape is sub par. You don't get it because you've never owned a Provari. Is it because you can't afford it? Is it because you have something better? Who knows. What I do know is your pallet isn't accurate enough to "need" vv and vw. See what I did there? Made an ... out of you and me.

I bet 50%+ would love for you to actually own a Provari before you make assumptions. I own one and would NOT buy a vv vw version because its not needed, IMHO.

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[ChiefAllDay]

You can measure ohm's resistance on the Provari. Since I don't do sub-ohms, I'm not sure if it will measure sub-ohm resistances; it may just give a LO error code (low ohms). If there is a short in the coil, the Provari will again give an error code.

Yep, gives the error for me when I was testing out some micro coils. Ohm meters are super cheap on eBay now (under $5).

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[SirSteve]

CheifAllDay, I am one those unfortunate individuals whose taste buds aren't sensitive enough to tell the difference between the taste of a topper on a ProVari and the the taste of same setup on a Zmax. I also tend to rotate flavors, so I keep my ProVari and Sigelei V2 Zmax and Mini Zmax right in front of me most of the time, and I use all three.

The reason I got the ProVari is for its build quality, and the warranty, the fact it can be serviced, the fact is made in the U.S.A. are icing on the cake. I use VW on the Zmaxes, just like VV it gets where I want to be, I tend to adjust both, neither one are set and forget for me.

While I really like my Zmaxes, and they are built pretty well for the price point, it doesn't take much to realize the build quality of the ProVari.

Happy New Year to all, and may all your vapes be good.

 

[ChiefAllDay]

CheifAllDay, I am one those unfortunate individuals whose taste buds aren't sensitive enough to tell the difference between the taste of a topper on a ProVari and the the taste of same setup on a Zmax. I also tend to rotate flavors, so I keep my ProVari and Sigelei V2 Zmax and Mini Zmax right in front of me most of the time, and I use all three.

The reason I got the ProVari is for its build quality, and the warranty, the fact it can be serviced, the fact is made in the U.S.A. are icing on the cake. I use VW on the Zmaxes, just like VV it gets where I want to be, I tend to adjust both, neither one are set and forget for me.

While I really like my Zmaxes, and they are built pretty well for the price point, it doesn't take much to realize the build quality of the ProVari.

Happy New Year to all, and may all your vapes be good.

I think at the next big vape meet we should have some blind taste tests. I would bet a months pay the results will be identical to wine blind taste tests. Professional taste testers were shown to be mostly incapable of discerning differences. And these were professionals.

The tastes you speak of are more governed by our delivery system in the tanks more so than the power behind them. The way I look at it, a Provari provides ample stable power to the coils, allowing the tanks to shine (good or bad).

I believe (and truly hope) that with my Sophia and kayfun I will be happy with my hardware setup, focusing more on enjoying the vape and less on getting new hardware to get the best flavor. My only fear is I will buy a second Provari so I don't have to swap out tanks. LoL.

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[SirSteve]

I think at the next big vape meet we should have some blind taste tests. I would bet a months pay the results will be identical to wine blind taste tests. Professional taste testers were shown to be mostly incapable of discerning differences. And these were professionals.

The tastes you speak of are more governed by our delivery system in the tanks more so than the power behind them. The way I look at it, a Provari provides ample stable power to the coils, allowing the tanks to shine (good or bad).

I believe (and truly hope) that with my Sophia and kayfun I will be happy with my hardware setup, focusing more on enjoying the vape and less on getting new hardware to get the best flavor. My only fear is I will buy a second Provari so I don't have to swap out tanks. LoL.

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I think you will be very pleased with your new toppers. I am also glad you took my post in the way I meant it to be taken, not as a slap at others, but as a reflection of my own experience. And by all means, get a second ProVari, or third, or fourth.

 

[f1vefour]

VV definitely gets you there.

I'm not trying to put words in owners mouths, I'm just using a cross section of what I personally have read. I don't have a ProVari and it does interest me therefore I have probably read as much as most owners. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I'm a budget conscious father that has had both the comfortable disposable income type of life and the damn how am I going to pay my mortgage type as well. It's hard for me personally to justify a smoother vape for the money.

The quality, engineering, originating country, warranty...etc is why I continue to lurk and comment. My comments are just opinions, like everyone else.

 

[Tepid]

The only advantage that I have ever read for the use of VW, is you can set it and forget it.
But that simply is not true.

And Ohm's law does not change just cause one is using a VW device.
You will actually not be vaping the same voltage under VW as you can under VV.
Do the calculations. You will find that you have more control over the heat of the coil with VV.
Law's of nature are what they are, you can't change them.

Yes, that .1 volts does make a difference, and most VW's are .2 to .5 settings,
An if they were set to .1 settings, it still wouldn't matter. Still not a set it and forget it device.

Different juices and tanks vape differently at different temps. based on personal tastes. That is also a fact.
So, even if you do change Ohm's often, you will still need to change the watt's to get to a correct temp, per personal flavor.

It is not a one size fits all, if it were, we wouldn't have VV and VW devices, they would all be one set Wattage.

Let me elaborate....

I typically vape at 2.4ohm some times I will switch to 1.8ohm
My volts are generally between 3.2v for the 1.8ohm and 3.7, 3.6 or 3.8v depending on time of day etc.

On a 2.4ohm atty with a .5 increment VW device, I can only set it to 3.95v at 6.5w
If I change it, to 5.5w = 3.6v
change it to 6w = 3.8v
and this is with rounding.

I can not get the 3.7v I want.

It's a little better with a .2 increment device, but still, you have to change it as often as you do a VV.

Do the calculations, VW does not = better, it just doesn't.

 

[ChiefAllDay]

I think you will be very pleased with your new toppers. I am also glad you took my post in the way I meant it to be taken, not as a slap at others, but as a reflection of my own experience. And by all means, get a second ProVari, or third, or fourth.

Oh, I am right there with you. I used to sit for hours fiddling with my VTR, testing different combinations of vv and vw... And in the end, 4.2 on the provari just works. Maybe my pallet and nose are just too unrefined, but even so, the provari suits me perfectly.

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[glassgal]

VV definitely gets you there.

I'm not trying to put words in owners mouths, I'm just using a cross section of what I personally have read. I don't have a ProVari and it does interest me therefore I have probably read as much as most owners. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I'm a budget conscious father that has had both the comfortable disposable income type of life and the damn how am I going to pay my mortgage type as well. It's hard for me personally to justify a smoother vape for the money.

The quality, engineering, originating country, warranty...etc is why I continue to lurk and comment. My comments are just opinions, like everyone else.

Well here's a nifty thing ... I just got in the mail what I believe is one of China's newest Mech Mods, the stainless steel KTS-II, NOT the chrome, plated or brass cheapie, direct from the manufacturer (all that talking to them by phone for my top of their line Kayfuns paid off, kekeke)... and guess what? It's a VV.

I compared it to the VW 134 I got yesterday, and the VV is more consistent. It's actually a stunning looking unit, but I KNOW the guts aren't as tough as Provari, and I wouldn't drop it on the floor.

Going to show it off here anyway (this is fully telescoping, the most beautiful telescope I've ever seen, you can't tell it's a telescope, but it will fit ALL battery sizes):


And here's some round battery size comparisons with the KTS-2 fully telescoped for 18650 battery (with my keyring gifts)


Oh, LOOK what they sent me from China with that as a Christmas Present (am NOT a vendor, never told them I was, nor have I ordered a mass of stuff, just managed to get a hold of a manufacturer's sales manager for a few hours on the phone to pick his brains about products and quality control, and got him to sell me some of their BEST of the BEST products)!!!
The card has a hand-cut paper ornament on it, with 2 matching boy/girl stainless keyrings ... is this amazing??


To make it clear, not only do I have a bunch of vape stuff over the course of a few short months, I have a LOT of Chinese products now to compare. And their best of the best blow away the cheaper Fasttech stuff by quite a bit... but they still do not compare to Provari, and I feel like I'm in a pretty good position to know at this point.

 

[The Ocelot]

If VW was offered as an inexpensive upgrade (not buying a whole new device), I might send one of my ProVaris in out of curiosity. I'm curious about a lot of things, which led me to buy a Vamo after I had a ProVari. I wanted to see what all the hoopla was about. I also bought a Bobo, which is essentially a Sigelei Zmax in a limited addition body - but I bought him because he is cute. The Bobo surprised me by being a formidable mod for it's class (I'll recommend it over a Vamo any day), whereas the Vamo just doesn't cut it. It isn't helpful that he has a sad robot face that looks depressed all the time.

While some people changes toppers frequently, I leave toppers on all the mods and just switch devices. I hope you are aware that screwing tanks on and off can potentially result in Carpal Vapers Syndrome. Anyway, all of my mods are "set it and forget it" because I check the resistance when I first attach a topper, set the level I like and that's it. although, it really isn't. I adjust the power levels up and down all day, since juices can taste different to me from hour to hour. I also periodically check the resistance to make sure nothing wonky is going on and the battery level to see if I might have to replace it soon.

I prefer the ProVari menu because I don't have to stop and think about what buttons I need to press, and with the Vamo, the adjust buttons are so small I have to pay attention to which one I press and that I press it just right. The ProVari has a short delay between functions, whereas with the Vamo, if I don't press the little buttons hard enough and fast enough the power level will change. I have to watch the screen while I press the buttons to make sure that doesn't happen. I also can't read the microscopic symbols. You may be able to tell if the symbol in the top corner of the Vamo is a v or a Ω, but I have to stop and look for my glasses. This suggests to me that the Vamo was designed with young people in mind. The ProVari display is big and bright and I only have one mode to worry about; plus, when I do look at the screen, it has pretty colors.

Would I buy a whole new ProVari if one came out with VW? No. Would I buy a whole new ProVari if one came out with a purple LED? In a heartbeat. White might be nice, I don't have one of those.

 

[f1vefour]

2.5 ohm @ 5.5 watts = 3.7 volts, your assuming your ohms are rock solid..they aren't, they will fluctuate .1+-.1 therefore giving you the sweet spot sometimes on 5.5 watts. I see your point though and this is when you switch over to VV mode, personally I like VW because I get a similar vape on different toppers at different ohms without needing to break out an ohm calculator. Meaning I put a 3 ohm carto @ 8 watts and get nice vapor and flavor, throw on a ProTank with 1.8 ohm resistance @ 8 watts and I get a similar vape without frying my wick. You simply can't do this on VV, it's just less fiddling...not in anyway is VW better than VV. In fact VV is better in that you can better dial in your flavor.

The same goes for VV, the ohm load changes a bit and so does the voltage.

 

[Jonny2400]

Here's my view as a Provari owner

Dislikes

Heavy
Bulky
Drains batteries when inserted.
Expensive for what it is

Likes
It's reliable

 

[Splatnext]

It takes a certain wisdom to appreciate the ProVari, some people are lucky the attain this level of wisdom early on.

Some it takes a little longer but eventually the see the light and bow to the wisdom.

Some will search forever and never find that wisdom.

Me thinks this young grasshopper has not found the wisdom yet and I fear may never find it.

 

[glassgal]

Well, I'm pretty picky about flavor and I don't dial anything in, I just leave the same atomizer on the same battery and swap heads/wire/carto. I do very little changing of the settings, so I see no difference really between the VV or VW (and at this point, I think I have more VW than VV units).

The biggest advantage of the Provari is there's no reason to change the setting again from the time you screw in the head til you have to change the battery. Then, you change nothing again, because the Provari saves the setting, so you just change the battery.

I find myself fiddling with the settings with VW a lot more (still don't do it much) as batteries wear down... which may be why people think VW is better, because with not so consistent power, you are constantly fiddling with it.

While I have a lot of vaping gear now, my main goal is still minimizing the 'work' I have to do to vape. There are pro's and cons to every single type of vaping equipment... and it's nice to have a variety. But of ALL of them, the Provari is the biggest no brainer.

The Provari is bigger and bulkier?! Compared to what? Provari are the smallest and lightest batteries I have next to Egos, and I can definitely make an Ego Twist heavier than a Provari mini by putting a different tank on it.

EXPENSIVE for what it is? The Provari is DIRT CHEAP for what it is.

 

[AmandaD]

I was telling a friend of mine about vaping today - I'm going to give her my old V2 stuff - that will last her about 2 days! I was of course bragging about my new Provari sitting in the mailman's hands, and it occurred to me that when I described it as 'The Rolls Royce' of vaping - the cost of the unit alone was (I believe) $165 (red is on sale). $165 for a top of the line piece of equipment? Hardly expensive given the quality and longevity imo. I've many other hobbies over the years, and this is not one of the more expensive ones (well, it could be...but I'm only buying ONE Provari.......yeah yeah).

[EXPENSIVE for what it is? The Provari is DIRT CHEAP for what it is.[/QUOTE]

 

[f1vefour]

I wish I had as many mods as you glassgal, then my issue would more a eeny meeny or inky dink type problem

 

[The Ocelot]

It takes a certain wisdom to appreciate the ProVari, some people are lucky the attain this level of wisdom early on.

Some it takes a little longer but eventually the see the light and bow to the wisdom.

Some will search forever and never find that wisdom.

Me thinks this young grasshopper has not found the wisdom yet and I fear may never find it.

In some circumstances lack of enlightenment might be a good thing. There are people who visit here just to taunt us who I would prefer never get a ProVari. I want as little in common with them as possible. And if they do finally get one they tend to turn into the most obnoxious fanbois.

 

[AlB53]

 

[glassgal]

I wish I had as many mods as you glassgal, then my issue would more a eeny meeny or inky dink type problem

You know, when I started vaping, I looked for deals too. And I'm NOT made of money, I had a very fortunate Christmas season with my glass art, and decided to invest my income on vaping gear instead of clothes, or my house, or new towels, music, new tools, etc., a choice many other people wouldn't have made.

I looked at it this way... I was smoking a pack a day, which is $5 a day. That's $150 a month at a minimum. At 3 months of vaping, I saved $450... that was NOT for extras, but down the toilet for throwaway cigarettes I had nothing to show for. I was able to sign up as a NON-smoker for new health insurance, saving me $100 a MONTH in insurance premiums for 2014. And that's just the free money.

I spent a few thousand dollars on vaping stuff over the last 3 months.... but given how much of that was money I was going to throw away that I have to count, I've spent at best $1000... every dime of which I can get back in the Classifieds today.... and still come out ahead with my gear purchases... WHILE getting ALL my juices free factoring in cigarette costs too.

I look at my bank account, and I'm down maybe $1000 from what I WOULD have been had I still been smoking... but add the $1000+ in insurance premiums I saved from not smoking anymore for next year, I'm already ahead, and got a table full of goodies I can use every day.

The thing is... I have so many goodies, I won't be putting excess wear and tear on any 1 goody... meaning for the next few years, I will not need to spend one penny on any more gear unless I want to. And if I do, I can simply get that back by selling something I don't use... since 100% of my gear will be in perfect shape, unless I break a piece or 2 when running around.

I'm frugal. I like quality, but we're definitely not rich. After doing a cost/benefit analysis, it works out least expensively for me to buy what I bought, and the Provari is up there, especially considering that your resale value is at least 60% if you beat the unit up, 80% if you take care of it, and 100% if you hang on to it through a ProVape price increase.

And that's not even considering that if someone decides that E-cigs need to be taxed, everything will cost more to reflect that tax, but I'll already have it.

 

[glassgal]

In some circumstances lack of enlightenment might be a good thing. There are people who visit here just to taunt us who I would prefer never get a ProVari. I want as little in common with them as possible. They also tend to turn into the most obnoxious fanbois.

How can a fanbois be obnoxious?