What Will the Future of ECF Look Like .. ??
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I write sci-fi as a hobby - Consider the dystopian future this {and other} forums face.
Five years from now when the United States follows India's lead and enforces Bloomborg's {the new world leader} directive - 1. All vaping and private ownership of guns will be outlawed 2. Any information decimated on how to use or make either a vape device or a gun will be a felony 3. Enforcement will be handled by the ATF {This has already been done now} 4. Internet information on how to use, make, or obtain a vape device or a gun will automatically be filtered off the internet by the Great Google, now a division of Bloomborg Philanthropies.
You will be able to keep ECF running by turning it into an organization like AA {Alcoholics Anonymous} where ex vape users can spill their guts out telling how they were hopelessly addicted to vaping until they found smoking cigarettes was the cure and the cure was given by help from Bloomborg Philanthropies who have proven the health benefits of smoking tobacco cigarettes - All tobacco cigarette companies are owned by Bloomberg Philanthropies.
So you see with Bloomborg's help ECF will be doing fine!!!
Five years from now when the United States follows India's lead and enforces Bloomborg's {the new world leader} directive - 1. All vaping and private ownership of guns will be outlawed 2. Any information decimated on how to use or make either a vape device or a gun will be a felony 3. Enforcement will be handled by the ATF {This has already been done now} 4. Internet information on how to use, make, or obtain a vape device or a gun will automatically be filtered off the internet by the Great Google, now a division of Bloomborg Philanthropies.
You will be able to keep ECF running by turning it into an organization like AA {Alcoholics Anonymous} where ex vape users can spill their guts out telling how they were hopelessly addicted to vaping until they found smoking cigarettes was the cure and the cure was given by help from Bloomborg Philanthropies who have proven the health benefits of smoking tobacco cigarettes - All tobacco cigarette companies are owned by Bloomberg Philanthropies.
So you see with Bloomborg's help ECF will be doing fine!!!
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Just to say, we're not going anywhere, and we actually have some pretty big plans! Harm reduction, vaping and the liberalization of nicotine generally are all growing and we think we have a big role to play in the future - and we're going to be working hard to win hearts and minds. We'll continue to do what we've always done, be here for people who no longer want to smoke, in whatever way they need us.
It's easy to think it's we're in an echo chamber here, but the reality is we still had over 10 million individuals visit the site last year, people want and need help when it comes to tobacco harm reduction and they still turn to communities like ours where they can trust people to give them the right advice.
It's easy to think it's we're in an echo chamber here, but the reality is we still had over 10 million individuals visit the site last year, people want and need help when it comes to tobacco harm reduction and they still turn to communities like ours where they can trust people to give them the right advice.
The way I understand it, the equipment is not illegal, but you'd have to drive it over to whoever you're selling it to. Oh, wait! Delivery by drone?
I hope so - But would you have believed 10 years ago that there would be a war against vaping with all kinds of restrictions and it was partially generated by the fact that it was much safer than smoking? That is a fact.
Well personally I saw it coming the first day I laid eyes on an e-cigarette. I think that the only people that didn't see it coming are those that don't know the USG that well and live in la-la land, thinking that the USG works in the interest of the people. That was never the case in my lifetime, I saw it when I was a teenager.
That's why I took to hoarding vape gear as soon as I was able to go full time with vaping.
I detest the notion of two wrongs don't make a right. We throw the baby out with the bathwater to call this fairness. Who is to judge and of substance, what?
Civility and reciprocity are indespensible to any culture, enterprise, community or relationship. To the extent they are encouraged we may survive and thrive.
A lack of freedom of opinion and its expression are the antithesis of this. It is the symptom and prescription for demise. Those who would promote it do so at their peril.
Good luck all.
Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G. K. Chesterton (The Man Who Was Thursday, 1908)
Civility and reciprocity are indespensible to any culture, enterprise, community or relationship. To the extent they are encouraged we may survive and thrive.
A lack of freedom of opinion and its expression are the antithesis of this. It is the symptom and prescription for demise. Those who would promote it do so at their peril.
Good luck all.
Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G. K. Chesterton (The Man Who Was Thursday, 1908)
As long as like minds exist, ECF will exist in one form or another.
IMO: if the owners are willing ECF will evolve its called evolution. It all started with an idea a thought, that idea still exists today. There is no way they can put out the flame.
We will continue to share ideas, barter with each other as well as coming together as a community.
So much to say on this subject political, human nature - We are the resistance!
I for one refuse to be their slave. I was born free and I will die free.
IMO: if the owners are willing ECF will evolve its called evolution. It all started with an idea a thought, that idea still exists today. There is no way they can put out the flame.
We will continue to share ideas, barter with each other as well as coming together as a community.
So much to say on this subject political, human nature - We are the resistance!
I for one refuse to be their slave. I was born free and I will die free.
If you want to get through this there is one thing you must acknowledge.
You're a prepper. -
You're a prepper. -
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Your rant comparing making firearms illegal and then comparing that to vaping is pure Science Fiction .. and, in fact, likely an impossibility
Raises Hand.
I Can't Remember a Time when there Wasn't a War being Waged Against e-Cigarettes.
It took me about 3 Minutes back in late 2009 to Realize that e-Cigarettes had a True Potential to get people Off Cigarettes. And about an additional 3 Minutes to Know that this would be a Disruption to a Status Quo that would Not Be Tolerated.
I also saw that e-Cigarettes are the Perfect Vehicle for those Seeking Political Gain that couldn't care less about Public Health.
What I Didn't See was how Lacking our Fighting of this War would be. Because I always envisioned that Retailers would Unite with Users to form a Network of Voices (and Money) at the State Level. And these State Associations would form a Mostly Unified Collation to counter Federal Issues. That just Never Happened.
After hearing of the FDA's first failed attempt to ban vaping, I -knew- our days were numbered. The only thing that really surprised me is how long it took for our corrupt, greedy politicians to get their acts together. I began planning for "prohibition" back when I started vaping in 2012 and was self-sufficient by 2017. It was time consuming, expensive and difficult for me since I prefer to vape NETs and had to learn how to manufacture my own. I'm just glad the U.S. government is so politically dysfunctional otherwise vaping would have been crushed before I even had the opportunity to discover it. Now nothing they can do would really impede me and I've even passed on the knowledge I acquired so that others can enjoy NETs if and/or when retail sources disappear.
That, that there…and that commerce would be more proactive to defend its marketplace and consumer interests! But no market choice, no mullah for you.
So they target the feigned inability of vaping to self-regulate (our ineffective resistance) and remove all of our choices. What about our rights to informed health decisions? Well they killed that from the jump by dispensing with the 1A. We tolerated too much. A slow bullet can kill as effectively as the fast. It's a matter of power and mass — the power of unlawful ambiguous legislation and an unrestrained mass of
regulatory schemes.The war on vaping was preamble.
Good luck.
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This did happen with another product that the 'govenment control freaks' and the FDA {sometimes nick-named the Food and Death Administration} was determined to either regulate out of existence or turn into expensive 'prescription only' use - Vitamins and supplements of all kinds. So on a grass roots level which soon became a national movement, there was a petition in almost every health food store to sign - And we all signed - And we got them to pass legislation that stopped the FDA from passing most regulations on supplements, unless they could be proven harmful.
The difference here is that I read somewhere that more than half of Americans use some kind of supplements - We had plenty of numbers to sign those petitions - And the supplement industry was already big business.
But vaping as a safer alternative to smoking?
They say that in today's world only about 20% of the population smoke - And what percentage of that group now vapes? Do we even have a few million on our side who care?
So we go to our politicians and say we have a much safer alternative to smoking - They don't give a dam!!! - To them you are still a degenerate nicotine junky who is attempting to addict all of America's children to nicotine. The fact that vaping can be used for any number of other substances than tobacco is all the more reason to outlaw it - Freedom of choice has nothing to do with today's political agenda - It's all about control. And by now they have realized the real danger of nicotine is it helps people think - a very dangerous drug to the 'control freaks' who would rather you didn't {think}/
Accept it marijuana and a dumbed down 'stoned' population is the agenda - It 's not just vaping, it is the war against tobacco and nicotine - Think less and obey more - That is the agenda!!!
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