What's up with all the China hate?

[stevegmu]

I know when I buy something made in China, I usually have to buy several. Short of FoxConn's strict QC, The defective parts per million on the average made in China product is staggering- at least in the field I work in.

As far as ingestables, if it came down to e-liquid made in China or smoking, I'd go back to smoking. I just don't trust their quality control.

 

[Train2]

Compared to which safety regulations for juice in the U.S.?
Just sayin'...

As for juice I don't trust the safety regulations (or lack of) from China. As for apv's everyone can decide what's best for themselves. I've purchased "mods" from Altsmoke, Super-T, and the now defunct Puresmoker. All worked out of the box without adjusting, sanding or tweaking in any way. So in practical terms I feel the upfront money spent on quality devices was best for me.

 

[NiNi]

Please do! And let us know. It would be good for something to be "sure". Semantics can be a killer..

Edit: Thanks! Good detective work. So disappointed that it is 'just' an import. Didn't know that all nic has to be FDA inspected..

It's got to be to a specific standard to enter the country so the FDA inspects it and then depending on where it goes, the USP inspects and tests it for pharmacology type applications...ie, the patch, nic gum, etc......and I'm going to have to do some home work there too!
I don't know what other applications it would be used for other then medical, it's not used as a pesticide anymore in the states.....

 

[Train2]

Well, technically then, you ARE un-American, right?
LOL

I don't like the fact I get told I am un-American for ordering from China. I am English.

 

[Butters78]

If it works good I don't care who makes it. Two years in a bucket

 

[K_Tech]

If it works good I don't care who makes it. Two years in a bucket

I'm of the same opinion.

I've been a part of a similar discussion on another forum, centered around WalMart and the amount of Chinese made goods.

Don't blame the Chinese corporations, blame the American consumer. "We" want less expensive goods, "We" DEMAND more for our money. Chinese corporations are merely responding to that demand. We vote with our pocketbook, and we voted them in.

 

[stevegmu]

Compared to which safety regulations for juice in the U.S.?
Just sayin'...

I trust the companies I buy from not to use mystery fillers.

 

[Lombaowski]

I trust the companies I buy from not to use mystery fillers.

So you have broken down juices chemically to ensure you are getting what is promised? You can trust your companies all you want, but there is nothing stopping them from them putting bull semen as "organic flavoring." Pretending otherwise is naive IMO.

 

[Ipster]

It doesn't state this inspection took place in the US.

red flag
the "FDA" = Food and Drug Administration. Its a branch of the US Govt under the US Department of Health and Human Services. In turn
I beleive that dept is under the Dept of the Interior...(hows that ofr govt bureaucracy?) the FDA has no jurisdiction or budget/authority to
conduct operations outside of the US 50 states.
If Im not mistaken, in the UK its the "F.S.A", Food Standard Agency?
I couldnt imagine anything alluded to with "FDA" could be outside of the US 50 states.
Im a fan of the particular company/sales of the aforementioned. However...Im shocked! With all the hype, news attention
and action proposed concerning the 38-40 states trying to get the FDA involvement of late- youd think an FDA inspection would've been
all over the news in the states. Id also think, if it went well (for the supplier) they'd be touting it loudly?
I also didnt find mention in the AEMSA website about any FDA inspections of manu's?
Why AEMSA? | AEMSA

Something doesnt quite jive here...

 

[klynnn]

It must be true it's on the internet dontcha know.

 

[xan13x]

While I generally disagree with cloning, I've got my friends with clones. I do have issues with how China does business, and with how the west exploits it while turning a blind eye.

That said, Kanger and Joytech usually occupy my on the go vape gear. They aren't clones really, but very respectable Chinese manufacturers.

At home, I stay almost exclusively USA and European though. My provari being my never ending go to, and my Greek tanks and gg attys. The quality is second to none, and unlike a fasttech clone, that may very well be a damn good clone, I can email USA or European companies with just about any product question and they'll answer.

Heck, I was having flooding issues on my diver and Atmystique sent me a 1,000 character list of potential issues, then proceeded to chat me though their fixes. THAT is why I buy products at their prices.

Sent with Tapytaptap or some such...

 

[quiter]

Well I started vaping when it was either buy from China or build it yourself. So I have never had a problem buying from China, although I have built a couple hundred mods over the years. I strictly do DIY juice but that is because I don't know anyone who makes the exact juice the way I like it and trust me I have tried and if China had it cheaper than I can make it I would buy it from them. As for seeing the clones, again I have no problem with this at all even though I thought about making mods for money at one time. I was one of the first people making VV out of battery boxes and pots. However when I saw that China was stepping up and selling great mods, (sorry great PV's), at the prices they are I knew it wasn't for me. I wasn't going to charge someone four times as much for a product that does the same exact thing. Not that I don't have the utmost respect for the few American makers who are producing products that simply rock. Good for them and I hope they can continue to make a product that excels enough to justify the extra cost. However, I will say this. I see no point in buying local just to pay someone to buy products in bulk and jack up the price. If it's made in China anyway I am not going to pay someone twice what I can buy it for myself. Why should I support someone who is simply supporting China? I can do that myself directly. Of course again though, if people want to pay extra for faster service than good for them. However I'm cheap. Of course I hardly buy anything anyway, in the last four years I haven't spent more than $35 and that includes everything. I stocked up a long time ago. But if I was buying a lot of stuff and needed to save money I would be buying from China and when someone tells me they are on a budget I direct them to Fast tech. Who by the way I was buying flashlights and batteries from them before they sold any e-cig stuff at all. They were great to me and I was one of the people who used to make a lot of suggestions for them in regards to new products. So yes you can call me a fanboy if you want but it's only because they have been great to me. Trust me, the second they mess with me in anyway you will hear about it in full excruciating detail. The thing is I've bought hundreds of dollars worth of flashlights and modding parts, batteries etc and they have never once ticked me off. I can't say that about many companies. Yes they have made a few mistakes but they always fix them for me at Zero cost, not even shipping.

So in short I have no problem buying from China, I do direct people to Fast Tech as well. However, for people not on a budget or people who want it fast I applaud them supporting American sellers as well.

 

[Kris Bury]

i dont have a problem with china or there goods but i do have a problem with anybody that blatantly steal, rips off or copies the ideas and intellectual property of another person who put there time, hard work and ingenuity into bringing our community a quality product. but that is just my opinion

 

[stevegmu]

So you have broken down juices chemically to ensure you are getting what is promised? You can trust your companies all you want, but there is nothing stopping them from them putting bull semen as "organic flavoring." Pretending otherwise is naive IMO.

We got some plastic in at work once from a manufacturer in China. There was a global shortage of extruder grade pelletized Nylon 11 at the time and we had already exceeded our allotment from all of our suppliers- both foreign and domestic. As we usually do, we processed a sample on the lab line to test for heats- at what temperature pelletized plastic will melt to the right consistency in an extruder. Surprise, surprise, the lead alarm sounds and light flashes. Never happened with any of our regular suppliers- neither US, European or non-China Asian.

I would go on about the China mystery metal game we play with XFR analyzers, but see no point.

In the US, if a company were purposefully putting nefarious ingredients in ingestables, the secret wouldn't last; someone with a conscience would go to the press.

Companies in the US depend on their name and reputation to stay in business. In China, how cheap something can be manufactured for is all that matters.

 

[cookiebun]

You must be pretty young.
A few years ago there was a steady stream of scandals with Chinese products, particularly medication ingredients and food products. Toxic toys too.
Lets see, there was the ingredient they provided for a kidney medication that poisoned people, killer toothpaste sent to latin america. Pet food that killed hundreds of pets in north america . Then there were the toys painted with lead paint and some other chemical that has something to do with radio-activity. As an encore to all that they poisoned their own citizens, INFANTS in fact, with poisonous milk and baby formula products.
I make my own e-liquid. Buying their hardware is bad enough.

Edit: When I said 'You must be pretty young" I was referring to the O.P.
I forgot to quote again. Sorry.

 

[Ipster]

While I generally disagree with cloning, I've got my friends with clones. I do have issues with how China does business, and with how the west exploits it while turning a blind eye.

That said, Kanger and Joytech usually occupy my on the go vape gear. They aren't clones really, but very respectable Chinese manufacturers.

At home, I stay almost exclusively USA and European though. My provari being my never ending go to, and my Greek tanks and gg attys. The quality is second to none, and unlike a fasttech clone, that may very well be a damn good clone, I can email USA or European companies with just about any product question and they'll answer.

Heck, I was having flooding issues on my diver and Atmystique sent me a 1,000 character list of potential issues, then proceeded to chat me though their fixes. THAT is why I buy products at their prices.

Sent with Tapytaptap or some such...

Xan13X;
Well Said. AtMystique New products has always had a good rep in the EU mkt (ttbomk). Funny though, I think many ppls feel "good" when they support thier local economy and craftsmen. Who couldnt then also feel good about helping out the folks that've maybe even had it worse than us? The latest recession/depression/whatHaveyou really did hit some spots of planet earth much harder than the US. SOS- based on products/service/supply&demand needs - NOT hype, ads, sales specials etc. explains the success of many of our suppliers here in the ECF GLOBAL Community! Cheers.

 

[peterforpats]

In the start of this thread, some one asked about U.S. made nic juice. Just received the below from myfreedomsmokes.com. I've had good luck in dealing with the company, so I presume it is not just advertising hype. It does mention made in an FDA inspected facility:


Introducing NicSelect Vaping-Grade Nicotine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our famous Unflavored Nicotine "Smoke Juice" E-Liquid is made with using NicSelect
Vaping-Grade Nicotine. NicSelect Vaping-Grade Nicotine is the highest quality nicotine
on the market and is made specifically for vaping in the only FDA inspected and
approved nicotine production facility & laboratory in the world. Buy with confidence
knowing that you are getting the very best nicotine available and that it is always
distilled from actual tobacco leaves and stems and not synthetically produced.

this wouldn't be the same corrupt, bought and paid for FDA that most everyone vilifies? why does that inspire confidence? or is this the usual "when I like it it's good, when I don't it's evil"?

 

[Lombaowski]

We got some plastic in at work once from a manufacturer in China. There was a global shortage of extruder grade pelletized Nylon 11 at the time and we had already exceeded our allotment from all of our suppliers- both foreign and domestic. As we usually do, we processed a sample on the lab line to test for heats- at what temperature pelletized plastic will melt to the right consistency in an extruder. Surprise, surprise, the lead alarm sounds and light flashes. Never happened with any of our regular suppliers- neither US, European or non-China Asian.

I would go on about the China mystery metal game we play with XFR analyzers, but see no point.

In the US, if a company were purposefully putting nefarious ingredients in ingestables, the secret wouldn't last; someone with a conscience would go to the press.

Companies in the US depend on their name and reputation to stay in business. In China, how cheap something can be manufactured for is all that matters.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, doesn't make it so. I have never ordered juice from China and don't plan to, but you even thinking you have a inkling into U.S. vendor methodology is again, naive. With no regulation all it could take one bad batch from a good vendor to bring the whole house of cards down, and it will likely happen if the FDA doesn't regulate it first. U.S. vendors currently operate in an economic and regulation free zone, and one bad batch will shut it down overnight IMO.

You guys go on and on and on and on about Chinese standards without knowing an iota about what U.S. vendors are actually doing. Pretending to know about nefarious ingredients doesn't do much for me, until it's regulated I'll believe juice vendors are doing whatever they want to be profitable in this free zone. The only difference between Chinese juice makers and U.S. juice makers is some sort of make believe faith on the U.S. having more integrity or code. That may be true as a whole, but the parts of the sum cannot all be accounted for in ejuice.

 

[iz2sick]

They allowed their own children to be poisoned. I would trust them with my health on the other side of the globe why?

The majority of the world's population resides in China. Keep that in mind for a second when you start to bring up comments like you just did. It's a wonder that the country thrives the way it does. Over 7 BILLION people in that country. America doesn't even have half a billion.

So what's the point? The point is, that country has taken drastic measures to control the population. But I hope you know that killing your child by poison is illegal there. They will fine you, encourage you to have an abortion, and deny any type of legal identity for the over quota child though. The sad truth behind the poison myth (well, there are some that do poison their children, but I'm pointing out that it is illegal) is that these kids are often downing the poison themselves. They have no identity thus cannot benefit from things like education and health care. So it leads them to suicide.

Also, that law doesn't apply to the entire country. There are many exemptions. It's also becoming more relaxed due to political pressure.

Now let's talk about America. Not even a quarter of China's population. So what do we do to our children here? For starters, we allow roughly half of them to grow up denying things like Evolution. We don't teach them to think critically so they end up believing everything they see/read on Facebook. We allow them to believe in silly things like Astrology. We force them to go to school and learn needless subjects then when they grow up, we force them to pay for that school and sit them in a classroom of 200+ students with one professor. We allow our kids to become obsessed with their appearance to the point where many are acquiring physical and mental diseases.

So yea, we might not be physically poisoning our children, but we definitely are poisoning their minds.

Every country has its problems, but obviously the country with over 7billion people is going to have much more. I guarantee if America was that size, there'd be just as many screwed up stories coming out it if not more. And we might as well be a communist country the way things are now. NSA, police state, drone strikes bypassing the right to trial... list goes on and on.

Sorry, I had to rant. That comment was pretty offensive.

 

[cookiebun]

I have no problem with Chinese products. I have had a lot of Made in USA products(not vape) Hoses that were pure trash. Make a good product and I don't care where it comes from. I drive Japanese cars(Toyotas),because they last forever. I do prefer German products. Most people won't drive a car for 10 years,but I do,my Tacoma a 1997.

My car is Korean.