who says that VMOD XL is the best bottom feeder on the earth ?

[Fernand]

Judging the Vmod XL on it's own ? The best thing about it I can say so far is that it doesn't leak ! I'm getting a HH.357 1.5ohm Long Barrel atomizer in the mail today, which will probably be the last thing I try on it before putting it up for sale. That is unless there is a way to make the Evolv Kick work on it.

Curious what specifically you don't like about it. If you're attached to high voltage, you may have to move on. The HH.357 1.5 ohm on a stock 18650 gives me the 9 watts and performance I like. But I also like Resurrector and LR Boge cartos on it. I have a Provari but hardly ever go above 4.5 volts, and LRs are fine for me at 3.7 volts.

P.s. It takes at least a week to break in an HH.357, give it a chance.

 

[washvap]

It's funny how people are bringing up the leaking issue when the Vmod is known to leak. The original Vmod can't even go through a full bottle without excessive leaking in the interior of the mod. Also, think it would be simply annoying that I would even have to invert it just to feed my atty/carto. The REO does not leak at all and it's obvious that a lot of people that are posting here don't even own a REO. Yes, I've owned both.

If you want to brag about flooding the atomizer then be my guest. Since your only reducing the life of the atomizer itself. Personally, it's a shame how they only recently made any improvements to a flawed device. The style unappealing to me. The weight of it just proves how fragile the mod is to begin with.

If we're talking about build quality and the importance of a REO being made from a solid block of aircraft aluminum. Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact. Not even the aluminum shell is durable since it's so thin. The spring on the button is extremely cheap and flimsy. Who knows how long that will last. There is no comparison between the build quality of the REO and Vmod. It's like comparing a lavatube to the Provari. Basically, the Vmod is a knockoff of the REO and stole the all mechanical aspect from it.

 

[six]

There is no comparison between the build quality of the REO and Vmod. It's like comparing a lavatube to the Provari.

I gave the VMod a fair shot. There were a few things I did like about it. Juice capacity was the #1 thing I liked. Its feed system worked OK - but I had a boge revolution for a few weeks a while back and already had the hang of gravity feeding, so I can say with certainty that I wouldn't have liked it if it were the first time I used a device like that.. I did not really like that feature with the boge revolution. It was a hassle, but I eventually did start getting a pretty good feel for it. If a person spent a lot of time with a VMod or a Revolution, they'd gain expertise and would be able to deliver the right amount of juice every time no matter what level the juice bottle is filled/drained to. So, other than seeming strange having to turn it upside down to get juice, the gravity feed system does work pretty good if you get the hang of it.

Those siloh cartos are quite good too. They provide nice flavor. They deliver a very good vape.

But that device is not one that will survive long in my life. I'm a guy who regularly works with cattle, most of which are range cattle that are away from human contact a lot so they're skittish and therefore hazardous when we have to handle them for med checks. I'm also a guy you might find on top of a communication tower installing some sort of com link a few times a month. A day climbing towers alone has been the end of more than one mod. I'm not actually sure just how many mods I've had busted by minor altercations with cattle in general, but the big 1700 to 2200 lb (depending on breed) market steers can wreck anything you're carrying in a hurry and are responsible for more than their fair share of my broken box mods.

Durability is the very first thing I look for in a mod now. There was really no home for my VMod in my lifestyle. I might have kept it if I would have found a place for it in my vaping routine. I just didn't. My work and play just require something very durable.

 

[sdkelly85]

Can't wait for the vmod kick combo..... I will have to put my provari on the back burner for a while.

 

[Fernand]

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-.... chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

You know, we're kind of joking around, Mr Six has a specific need, but mine are different. I drop things as much as the next person, and the Vmods hold up OK to THAT. It's not a religion. Don't like it? No problem. They're just practical PVs for a lot of people.

 

[dragonbone]

Lol!!!! I was in stitches with every paragraph You are so funny!!!

Anyway, I can't wait for my VMod XL to arrive, then I can chime in . (A teensy bit disappointed that I won't be able to polish my precioussss, but maybe I can stroke it?)

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-.... chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

 

[hildicat]

I've used both, and even though I also used a boge revolution for a while, I could never get the XL to feed well. I'm willing to chalk that up to user error. Regardless, I sold the XL within a week of getting it, and I'm happily vaping on my Reo as I type this so you can guess where my vote is going. and judging by all of the chatter on the XL forum page about misplacing/crushing o rings, headaches with ordering replacement rings, cracking and leaking issues with the XL and how to 'solve' them with super glue, I think I made the right choice (at least for me).

 

[AZCraig]

I'm going to give my HH.357 1.5ohm a few days to break in on my Provari and then we'll see how it does on the VMod XL.

In the mean time, I'm going to try a Boge LR carto (~2.0 ohm) on it, a Cisco 1.8 510 and maybe a Kanger carto, too.
I'm not giving up yet, but compared to the vapor production / taste of a Boge 3.0 ohm carto on my Provari @ 5.5 volts, nothing I've experienced yet on the VMod XL comes close enough to make me want to use it. (Including the lower resistance Vapage AMG atomizer and their special cartos).

I really like the idea of a juice fed system, but so far this one hasn't impressed me.

 

[chadster214]

I'm going to give my HH.357 1.5ohm a few days to break in on my Provari and then we'll see how it does on the VMod XL.

In the mean time, I'm going to try a Boge LR carto (~2.0 ohm) on it, a Cisco 1.8 510 and maybe a Kanger carto, too.
I'm not giving up yet, but compared to the vapor production / taste of a Boge 3.0 ohm carto on my Provari @ 5.5 volts, nothing I've experienced yet on the VMod XL comes close enough to make me want to use it. (Including the lower resistance Vapage AMG atomizer and their special cartos).

I really like the idea of a juice fed system, but so far this one hasn't impressed me.

try using a 4.8v battery for higher voltage vaping. I'm using 3.0ohm non branded atty (bridge removed) with 4.8v battery and it is comparable with my Provari running at 4.8v with the same atty.

 

[chadster214]

+1 on this..

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-.... chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

You know, we're kind of joking around, Mr Six has a specific need, but mine are different. I drop things as much as the next person, and the Vmods hold up OK to THAT. It's not a religion. Don't like it? No problem. They're just practical PVs for a lot of people.

 

[six]

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-.... chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

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I have no idea how many people there are 'like me', but I've met at least fifteen or so outdoor motor sports enthusiasts, four farmers, a couple of mountain bikers, and even a base jumper here on ECF. So, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone when it comes to rough physical activities.

I haven't had a broken off carto on my REO yet. I have had a couple on rough stacks and a copper I used to carry a lot. And, yeah - there's always a spare carto in my glove boxes. I've been in the habit of carrying cartos in my vehicles almost as long as I've been using cartos.

Battery impacts - That's one of the things you won't want to hear, but since its true: I am completely unconcerned about any battery problems in my REO. If it has a short/overheat situation, the spring will collapse and break the circuit. That particular safety feature is not found in the VMod. In fact, as far as I could tell, the VMod has no safety features at all besides being able to lock the button for your pocket. If you're using an atty and need to disable the circuit, you have to remove the cone to be able to spin loose the atty, or even pull the unit apart for that matter. So, with my REO, if I have a short, I end up replacing the spring (knowing about this safety feature, I bought two extra springs with my REO, so downtime will be minimal if I ever experience such an event). With the VMod, a short could easily mean a thermal runaway and your best safety feature becomes your throwing arm.

 

[Scotay87]

I have no idea how many people there are 'like me', but I've met at least fifteen or so outdoor motor sports enthusiasts, four farmers, a couple of mountain bikers, and even a base jumper here on ECF. So, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone when it comes to rough physical activities.

I haven't had a broken off carto on my REO yet. I have had a couple on rough stacks and a copper I used to carry a lot. And, yeah - there's always a spare carto in my glove boxes. I've been in the habit of carrying cartos in my vehicles almost as long as I've been using cartos.

Battery impacts - That's one of the things you won't want to hear, but since its true: I am completely unconcerned about any battery problems in my REO. If it has a short/overheat situation, the spring will collapse and break the circuit. That particular safety feature is not found in the VMod. In fact, as far as I could tell, the VMod has no safety features at all besides being able to lock the button for your pocket. If you're using an atty and need to disable the circuit, you have to remove the cone to be able to spin loose the atty, or even pull the unit apart for that matter. So, with my REO, if I have a short, I end up replacing the spring (knowing about this safety feature, I bought two extra springs with my REO, so downtime will be minimal if I ever experience such an event). With the VMod, a short could easily mean a thermal runaway and your best safety feature becomes your throwing arm.

Speaking from experience the spring will collapse in the Vmod in the event of a short... Happened to me and a friend and the whole chassis was replaced by Vapage... Happened so fast I actually heard the battery bottom out when it happened...

Cheers....

 

[chadster214]

Amen to this!

Speaking from experience the spring will collapse in the Vmod in the event of a short... Happened to me and a friend and the whole chassis was replaced by Vapage... Happened so fast I actually heard the battery bottom out when it happened...

Cheers....

 

[TheSneakerHoarder]

Solid block? That's like saying a 1935 HP Browning 9mm is better than a Glock. To each his own, the Reos look lovely, but I kind of like lighter and clever. Can you carry the Reos upside down, thrown in purse? The Vmod simply does not leak. The cooker is sealed in with two o-rings in the dual cone. The dual cone also prevents snapping off an atty/carto. A $75 compact 18650 unit with a 9 ml juice supply that's truly pocketable. Not a hand-made "work of art." It's apples and oranges alright.

I carry my reo upside down all the time.

Sent from my HTC Amaze 4G

 

[six]

[...] Happened to me and a friend [...] Happened so fast I actually heard the battery bottom out when it happened...

Wow. That's amazing... It would be a very violent thermal episode to cause that. When a spring collapses, more often than not, they can actually be stretched back out to their normal shape. I've never heard of one completely flattening before. You say yours and your friends both did the same thing? Huh. Amazing.

 

[Scotay87]

Wow. That's amazing... It would be a very violent thermal episode to cause that. When a spring collapses, more often than not, they can actually be stretched back out to their normal shape. I've never heard of one completely flattening before. You say yours and your friends both did the same thing? Huh. Amazing.

Actually the last part was a bit of an exaggeration... After getting hot and disassembling I did not realize what had happened to the spring until inserting a new battery... Stretched the spring a few times until it eventually broke from stress... Fried the atty at the time chalked it up to a short with the atty...

 

[washvap]

Not bizarre if you live in the real world. Mistakes happen. Mods get dropped and battered eventually. Some more then others depending on what type of work that they do. A cheap mod will be damaged and/or broken while a well build mod will survive. Really don't have to worry about a REO being damaged in any situation is what it all comes down to. Unlike a mod with a cheap aluminum shell and a plastic body. Which can be easily broken and the person would have to buy a replacement.

I know the vmod is the topic of the thread. Which is why I listed all of its faults. From what I've read, it still has the majority of the problems that the first generation have. Gravity feeders in general is an older method/technology compared to a real bottom feeder like the REO. Gravity feeders will ALWAYS have a tendency to leak and inefficient in it's design. So, it's not evolutionary if it's been done before on mods. Regardless if they come out with some chamber design that's used as a ploy to sell a mod. The bottom feeder design was created to eliminate and deal with the leaking issue. Also, making it easier to feed without having to invert it. Thus, making it more efficient and user friendly.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini

To compare a Lamborghini to a Vmod is hilarious. It's more like an old Toyota with all the plastic that's in it. There's nothing that's appealing about it. Not even the design of the Vmod which was also stolen from the Ali'i. Like all knockoffs, the Vmod has nothing original about it and is a bunch of stolen ideas all rolled up in one. The REO is the REAL Lamborghini of bottom feeders. Made for people that are looking for a high quality piece of art. Who don't mind paying extra for something that they can enjoy for a lifetime.

Guess everyone is different. Some prefer to eat off a paper plate then enjoy their meal on fine China. It all comes down to personal preferences. As with any mod, if the atty/carto is damaged then it comes down to replacing it. The impact susceptibility is better in something that's made out of metal then it is with something that's mostly plastic. The bigger question is what would a vmod user do is there was a catastrophic battery failure. I doubt that the vmod's plastic body would help reduce the damage and protect the user in that event. Hope that people have good medical coverage when that time comes.

Lastly, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

 

[DarbukaDave]

I like my REO

I never tried a VMOD, I'm sure they vape great.

Mod hipsters are great entertainment!

 

[tearose50]

I keep reading these things about the VmodXL (and now the Vmod2) that just aren't true.

It has a spring. And, it works....when needed. Is there any other protection that the reo has? Maybe I'm just ignorant -- but I know of none other.

The XL doesn't leak. The feed chamber was totally re-designed. It also doesn't have to be gravity fed----one could choose to squonk---and it's a lot easier with the size and placement of the exposed bottle,too. Or, one can tilt and lightly squeeze.

I guess I've been hanging out here at ECF too much --- it's just not feeling like a great group of people anymore.

I like my Vmod. I like it better than my Grand. I like the larger squank hole. I like it's looks and the way the shape feels to my hand. I like that I can buy new shells for it. I like the cone and chimney protection for the atty/carto. I love that I can vape lounging and rarely have to feed. I like the button better (tho it is far from my favorite button). I also like that it isn't delicate and is 1/2 the price of all my other feeders that are still alive and well.

I like that Vapage is a US company developing and producing and distributing a very good product at a price that is a bit more in reach for many vapers, especially new ones. It's one nice 3.7 device.

And, I love all my wood feeders. Each has it's own character and uses in my life. I'm not a big collector---but I wouldn't part with one. It is impossible for me to have a favorite -- I use them all.

One more thing:

True bottom feeder? Who invented that phrase? Atty's and carto's were designed to be fed from the top. Bottom feeders feed from the bottom.

To me, the only other feeder category is the GLV3 that has top feed tube and VVPV with a top feed tube and the non existant EQ.

Even the original gravity fed bottom feeder -- the Phidias -- is now a totally sealed system (very similar to the Grip). One can "gravity feed" or add a tube in the bottle and squank your heart out. I know of no needle fed bottom feeders on the market right now -- except the Rev2, if it's still available.

Now, I'm hoping some Grip or Red Sky or Monkeybox fans show up! I'm sure there are several who will tell you that the VV XXXXX is the very best feeder ever made.

 

[DarbukaDave]

I also love my old school Phidias