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Who's idea was it to add a cannabis vaping section?

Discussion in 'General Cannabis Discussion' started by zapped, Oct 27, 2019.

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  1. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    Because you're dependent on (or at the very least, enjoy using) a psychoactive drug, specifically nicotine. If that's "the right reason" for you to use a vaping device rather than inhaling combustion products, why isn't it for people who happen to use a different psychoactive drug?

    So somehow we must vape to get our nicotine fix because we don't have snus, we don't have nicotine gum and lozenges? We don't have pipes, cigars, and cigarettes?

    Meanwhile it's OK to take vaping away from the MJ crowd because they have edibles, or they can just smoke their plant matter in a pipe or rolled into a funny cigarette.

    FWIW: I have never vaped a cannabis product, so don't accuse me of being a stoner, thanks.
     
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  2. Jenn Perry

    Jenn Perry Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I am sorry you feel this way. I am a cancer patient and use THC/CBD on a regular basis. It has saved my life. THC is legal for medical (and rec tho I do not agree with that) where I live. I use it responsibly. I do not purchase from the street. I do not use it unless I know I won't be going out, that my husband will be home, my gbaby won't be around etc. It has helped me reduce my opioid use DRASTICALLY and I am able to continue to work on my vape advocacy and other things as well. I believe by keep an open dialogue then we as ADULT can make sure it is being used properly, responsibly, legally, etc.
     
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  3. rosesense

    rosesense ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    South GA
    I have stayed out of the entire debate about having a cannabis forum but the OP kind of got me going. I have a couple things to say so here goes.

    First of all, alcohol is a mood altering substance (drug) and whether you drink once per year or everyday, know that fact. I was a Chemical Dependency Specialist for years.

    While I rarely drink and don't use thc or cbd, I have an adult son who does...for pain management because he doesn't want to take opioids. I am not judgemental about folks who do.

    OP, if you have lived with someone who has 10 or more seizures a day at times and who has fallen while having those seizures and broken almost every bone in their body, a person who could not keep any food down for over a week and lost so much muscle mass they looked anorexic...(6'1" male who got down to 120 lbs from 145) then you might have a different perspective on the subject.

    I will never try to force my opinions on what a person should or should not do, including people who continue to smoke. It is their choice, just like it is Oliver's choice of what to do with the forum. There is an ignore button.
     
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  4. Nermal

    Nermal Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 8, 2013
    Farmington, NM USA
    I couldn't disagree more. It very well is our responsibility.
     
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  5. Schlinky

    Schlinky Full Member

    Oct 10, 2015
    This reply saddened me. I had at least hoped to give you pause for thought but it seems you are set in your ways and not open to questioning anything relating to your views.

    It's a bit of a straw man approach to suggest that being empathetic and considerate of others people's lives and circumstances results in supporting atrocities. I think I'll just have to leave that there because you don't seem like the kind of person who is open to debate or discourse.

    Again, judgement and categorization. If someone ingests THC then they are a criminal, apparently. It really doesn't affect most people's lives or 'colors' everything they think, say and do. This is only your interpretation and it's important to recognise that. As others have said I'm sure there are many people you've interacted with and thought were perfectly nice and respectable but who also do something you don't agree with in private.

    What about a time before laws? Before 'someone' said it was bad? What then? Was the shaman a criminal degenerate who was just focused on his next fix? Mankind has sought to alter their state of reality with whatever they had to hand since time immemorial.

    I made reference to the psychoactive effects and how the differing levels of THC could have the potential for mental health issues but your reply makes it seem like you didn't read my message and just want to push your own agenda.

    I don't know, like I said, I'm saddened by your posts here. It seems like your biggest issue is that you don't want to be tarred with the same brush as these 'sinners'/'criminals'. It's an ego thing, it's all about you and how you're perceived.

    To that end all I can suggest is that maybe this isn't the forum for you. It may be better to stick to the echo chamber in which you normally reside, a safe little world where you elevate yourself above others to make yourself feel superior.

    It's a messy old world out there, people don't have the same life you do, none of this is black and white. Where you have a hard line between the two, in the real world there's a million shades in between.

    If having a cannabis forum offends your delicate sensibilities then like I said maybe find a church group or something (and I bet you there are even members of those who partake in things you don't agree with)

    I really do hope you can take a step back from your blinkered world view and open your mind to the possibility that people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit.

     
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  6. Haktuspit

    Haktuspit Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2013
    Denver, CO
    I try not to associate with intolerant people because I'm not intolerant and there is no such thing as an enlightened intolerant person. Everything you see and do is colored or affected by this lack of tolerance. Your choice of friends, your love interests, where you work, what you do in your free time and even where you go on vacation.
     
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  7. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    And I find this post sadly judgemental. You have reached conclusions about the motivations of someone that you have never met. You are, to paraphrase the lawyers, without sufficient knowledge or information upon which to base a belief.

     
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  8. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    You are not tolerant of those that you have determined to be intolerant? An entire life is found unsatisfactory to you because of a post on an internet forum? You may not be intolerant but it appears to me that you are rather judgemental.
     
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  9. Schlinky

    Schlinky Full Member

    Oct 10, 2015
    Agree, I seek interaction with people who enrich my short time on this lil pebble hurtling through the emptiness of space.

    I understand his position though, these are divisive times. On any given topic it's a 'with us or against us' mentality. If you're on the other side of the wall you're the enemy. Socially it's a tough time to be around, things were a lot simpler a 100 years ago.

    The only way to push through all the crap is to challenge everything, including ourselves and our beliefs. It's all too easy to be spoonfed an agenda and that becomes who you are, kind of like a drug, it affects your choice of friends.... ;)

    The world needs a lot more compassion and understanding so if I see an opportunity to try and pull someone back from the dark side I can only try to help push things in the right direction
     
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  10. Schlinky

    Schlinky Full Member

    Oct 10, 2015
    I think a fair indication has been given as to this person's beliefs and views. His response reaffirmed that position. Like I said above I can only offer my thoughts in hope of reducing intolerance and judgement of others because those feel like regressive qualities in a time where we need to gain traction and push forward.
     
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  11. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    Tolerate the views that coincide with yours and condemn not merely the views of those whose views do not coincide with yours but condemn their entire lives. Save me from the self-righteous which ever side they find themselves upon.
     
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  12. Schlinky

    Schlinky Full Member

    Oct 10, 2015
    (fry.gif) not sure if troll...

    Hopefully all I've tried to do is illustrate that his view isn't 'the way it is' and that his view point is exactly (and only) that.

    Not all people who use cannabis are degenerate criminals, that's an extremely polarised view with no nuance or considered thought. It's a safe little bubble in which to live and to be honest it's the easy option. Things are much easier in black and white.

    I gave it shot, maybe my words will resonate with him one day, maybe not. I get the impression he's an older guy who's set in his ways but I tried, in my own way, to help and that's all I can do.
     
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  13. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    Neither am I. I guess you completely ignored the last paragraph of the post you quoted. How does trying to find a way to use a legal product as a form of harm reduction to my kidneys and liver make me some sort of "criminal", when trying to find a way to use a legal product as a form of harm reduction to my lungs does not?

    I am about as far from a "pothead" as you can get. I have NEVER used any THC product. Not as a teen, not as an adult. I wouldn't be looking into THC free CBD now if not for my medical reasons. I do not appreciate being mischaracterized by you in such an insincere manner.

    Your claims that tolerance is equal to supporting atrocities (which is usually used to describe a wicked or cruel crime usually involving violence or death and often on a large or massive scale) is disingenuous at best and a sign of a severe mental disorder at worst if you actually believe that. I had friends that occasionally partook of MJ back when I was young. I only asked them to not do it while I was present. Their choices when I wasn't around didn't affect me or hurt anyone else. I have friends who are part of the LGB community. I am not, but what they do behind closed doors doesn't hurt anyone. Those are tolerable things. They are personal choices that impact no one but themselves. Mass murder and genocide (atrocities) is no where even close to the same. If you truly think it is, then I strongly suggest getting some professional help.

    You don't have to. Just stay out of the sections where they are allowed. Problem solved.
     
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  14. IgnorantCig

    IgnorantCig Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2015
    new york
    Did the OP watch "ree fer madness" too many times and they believe that it is a documentary?

    I view this thread as a comedy, because it's too ridiculous to take seriously.

    Cannabis users come in all shapes, sizes and stripes and cannabis is beneficial to countless people, including many who use it for its medicinal qualities.

    Who is the OP to judge anybody else?

    When judgement day comes, I believe that the OP might be surprised to find out that many Cannabis users will be welcomed through the ports, while others will be denied entry, due to their lack of character, hatred for others, wallowing in ignorance and just for generally being a bad human being.
     
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  15. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    This. Never ceases to amaze me that those who have experienced prejudice either cannot recognize it in themselves or justify it from themselves. Here's the thing, I do not agree with or respect the OP's opinions but I wholly accept and respect his right to have them and post them.
    I'm out, seems all are getting a bit self righteous here including myself. Not a line I'm wanting to cross.
     
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  16. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    WOW! Now, this is what passes for "tolerance" today? Again, save me from the self-righteous what ever side they may come from.
     
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  17. somdcomputerguy

    somdcomputerguy vaper dedicato Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    At the very least, a moral obligation..
     
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  18. Northstar6

    Northstar6 Senior Member

    May 16, 2019
    I have no idea why people are so resentful about cannabis; I don't even use it personally but whether you want to admit it or not, our country is slowly legalizing it.

    For many people it's a much more safer alternative than alcohol or the like.
     
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  19. Punk In Drublic

    Punk In Drublic Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 28, 2018
    Toronto, ON
    Don’t leave…I was just about to start posting cat memes.

    In response to your earlier comment on driving under the influence….catnip was suspected.


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  20. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Knew there had to be a cat involved when I got this alert. Zelda put you up to it didn't she?:D

    Have a good night all. I've had my say right or wrong. No sense repeatedly stating it.
     
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