Why are so many people against non-smokers vaping?

[patkin]

Nicotine addition and insurance are just a ruses. Its not a stretch to say most of the same people pointing controlling fingers wake up in the morning thinking of and getting their caffeine and sugar buzz before leaving the house and then maintain it all day in one "food/drink" or another. Decaffeinated alternatives and artificial sweeteners were invented as a form of harm reduction. There is already talk of heavily taxing sugar-containing products but, so far, the powers that be and control freaks are leaving caffeine alone which is proven to raise blood pressure, raise blood sugar levels via "fight or fight" adrenaline surges, etc. Why do they leave that one alone? Because they love their drug of choice. They're zealots monitoring the behavior of others so they don't have to look at their own... typical of some addicts. I've never had an insurance company ask if or how much caffeine or sugar I consume but I sure have had doctors ask. Like I said in another post, controlling socialist nut jobs will always find a "logical sounding" reason to control others and they've grabbed insurance as their tool. And the powers that be always use "logical sounding" reasons to bilk more money for their paychecks. What is really scarey is the number of people who actually buy the "logic." We all affect each other all the time... period. Don't they realize that they're next when they jump on this insurance bandwagon? I want mandatory birth control to lower my insurance premiums.... same reasoning... sounds ludicrous right? Well, at this point in history it is but wait a while. Of course, I really don't. But some are already on the "it affects my pocket" bandwagon not wanting to pay for the birth control of others. So does it still sound ludicrous?

 

[zyglrox]

Nicotine addition and insurance are just a ruses.

Nicotine addiction is not a ruse. It affects a lot of the people who use it. Is this being taken advantage of by people with ulterior motives? Probably.

 

[kristin]

I would say why would they want to get addicted to nicotine if they arnt already. If they want to try the vaping experence Id say get the 0mg liquid, but that only if they really think they need to. Why put anything into your body that you dont have to. Nicotine addiction is not fun. It doesnt make me a better person, it makes me a grump if I dont have enought. Im teathered to a thing at all times. Why would they want this?

Do you have links to the scientific evidence that vaping will make you addicted to nicotine?

And I don't have to put alcohol, caffeine, ice cream, candy or bacon into my body, either, but I still do. So do billions of other people. Why do they do that? They don't need it. They enjoy it.

Just because we smoked doesn't automatically mean we'd want to vape. Most smokers who switch try vaping and find they LIKE it compared to smoking. It's naive to think that other people wouldn't like vaping, too - especially the 1,200 non-smokers who become smokers every day in the U.S. Even if they do start and become "dependent," the health risks are so low that it's not much different than if they were drinking caffeine drinks all day.

Not everyone vapes because they were addicted to nicotine. I vape because I was "addicted" to the hand/mouth thing. (I vape the same amount whether it's 18 mg or 6 mg, so it's obviously not nicotine I vape for.) If I didn't, I would be shoveling food into my mouth constantly. Addiction to various things runs rampant in my family history. Alcoholics, drug addicts and over-eating "disorders" abound. I ended up using cigarettes instead and now I vape. Compared to the addictions that my family members have suffered, vaping and being "addicted" to nicotine is nothing. I'm willing to bet that if e-cigarettes were available before I started smoking, I would have tried them, too. I don't vape now because I need to, I vape because I want to - same reason I smoked. Not all smokers feel they are "slaves to addiction" and have a goal to be addiction free. The phenomena of vaping variety disproves the ANTZ myth that smokers only smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and no smoker really enjoys the act of smoking.

We call e-cigarettes "smoking alternatives." Well, people who haven't started smoking yet will need alternatives, too. And vaping could end up as alternatives for people who maybe wouldn't have started smoking, but would have suffered addiction to drugs and alcohol far more damaging to their health and lives than smoke-free nicotine could ever be - even with the worst case scenario. I often wonder how many people who could have filled their "void" with nicotine, but avoided it because of the advertised health risks, end up unintentionally addicted to something far worse.

Edited to add: Sorry - I'm on a rant today because of ANTZ stupidity. I don't mean to come off so peeved.

(My personal opinion. Not intended to represent the opinions of CASAA or its board of directors.)

 

[patkin]

Nicotine addiction is not a ruse. It affects a lot of the people who use it. Is this being taken advantage of by people with ulterior motives? Probably.

Being linked to insurance IS a ruse. Nicotine is used medicinally. Insurance terms, laws and company policies are all being rewritten. The screening is changing from "do you smoke" to "do you use nicotine?"... if so your premiums rise or you can't work here. In terms of insurance (my original statement) the spin job is that nicotine causes the health problems that raise everyone's premiums INSTEAD of smoking.

 

[zyglrox]

Being link to insurance IS a ruse.

Hah, I don't disagree with you there, or with the rest of your post, for that matter. Unless they're going to start charging me more for being a coffee drinker, it's just BS as far as I'm concerned.

 

[p-doze]

The screening is changing from "do you smoke" to "do you use nicotine?"... if so your premiums rise or you can't work here.

none of that is true.

 

[DC2]

none of that is true.

Every single word of that was true.

 

[p-doze]

people can not be asked if they smoke cigarettes in a job interview.

there are a minuscule number of employers in this country with policies about not hiring smokers, and it's illegal to do so in 29 states as of 2012.

premiums won't rise for smokers, they just aren't discounted like they are for non-smokers.

 

[DC2]

Here are some links to see what has been going on, with increasing frequency...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ospital-bans-nicotine-use-flint-michigan.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cigarettes-smokeless-tobacco-cigars-cigs.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...arge-hospital-bans-tob-nic-use-new-hires.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nicotine-consumers-bon-secours-virginia.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-e-smokers-will-not-hired-2-fl-hospitals.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oke-free-workplace-nicotine-free-workers.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...acoma-hospital-group-refuse-jobs-smokers.html

The links I could find are mostly about hospitals, because that is the only way I could think of for searching for threads.

 

[Slummy]

Im a Pilot, and many airlines will not hire smokers, they wont ask it in an interview, but the question is asked on all the application forms... if it came between the application of a smoker and the application of a non smoker, they will of course go with the non smoker.

some airlines prohibit their employees from smoking while on duty, or in public while wearing uniform

The age we live in now, smokers are discriminated against, with our dirty, hazard to society habit, that coincidently pays billions of money to governments every year. (the UK government makes over 10 billion a year in taxes from tobacco alone)

unfortunately public knowledge of e-cigs is not good enough, and as such we are receiving the same prejudice as smokers do.

 

[darkstorm]

people can not be asked if they smoke cigarettes in a job interview.

there are a minuscule number of employers in this country with policies about not hiring smokers, and it's illegal to do so in 29 states as of 2012.

premiums won't rise for smokers, they just aren't discounted like they are for non-smokers.

Smoking is not a race, creed, sex, orientation, religion or other protected class. On what basis is an employer prohibited from asking if a potential hire smokes? I would guess the 29 States where it is "illegal" to ask such a question are operating out of a gross misinterpretation of privacy rights. Premiums do rise for smokers. Not getting a discount that applies to everyone but smokers is a rise in premiums. The taxes on cigs fund many States child health programs so the State has a vested interest in seeing people continue to be addicted to a deadly vice. They have an interest in marginalizing electronic cigarettes.

 

[Petrodus]

Click Here

There's a thread on this subject in the Media and General News forum: Link

 

[GreekLion]

for most people vaping is replacing one addiction (smoking) with another.

 

[patkin]

nah... purses and shoes... now that's another story... I've run out of room for them.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

I never smoked, but I vape. Its more of a hobby than anything. I have no nic juice and low nic juice. Sometimes I vape 10ml in a day and then I can vape as little as 2 ml in a week. The tinkering is more addictive for me.

I replaced a hobby with a hobby basically.

 

[sacricide]

i feel its like this, may seem black and white. but

if we or anyone else can start smoking, and im sure theres few good reasons to start in the first place. then vaping can be a good alternative for those who are bored or want to puff on something. plain and simple. theres no good reason to smoke anything. so if they want to let them vape....

 

[SilentEcho13]

Better vaping than smoking.

I mean if people try to be "cool" and pick up a PV even though they haven't smoked a day in their life, then I don't really support that. Otherwise, if a non-smoker vapes and actually enjoys their PV and the experience with a newfound passion, I'm all for it.

My Fiancee occasionally vapes some 0 nic liquid on an ego I gave her. Not to look cool or anything, but just for the enjoyment of the dessert-type flavors or sweet fruity flavors. The both of us visit a hookah/shisha lounge about 1-2 times a month (used to be much more often) just for the experience.

 

[Tanti]

Do you have links to the scientific evidence that vaping will make you addicted to nicotine?

And I don't have to put alcohol, caffeine, ice cream, candy or bacon into my body, either, but I still do. So do billions of other people. Why do they do that? They don't need it. They enjoy it.

Just because we smoked doesn't automatically mean we'd want to vape. Most smokers who switch try vaping and find they LIKE it compared to smoking. It's naive to think that other people wouldn't like vaping, too - especially the 1,200 non-smokers who become smokers every day in the U.S. Even if they do start and become "dependent," the health risks are so low that it's not much different than if they were drinking caffeine drinks all day.

Not everyone vapes because they were addicted to nicotine. I vape because I was "addicted" to the hand/mouth thing. (I vape the same amount whether it's 18 mg or 6 mg, so it's obviously not nicotine I vape for.) If I didn't, I would be shoveling food into my mouth constantly. Addiction to various things runs rampant in my family history. Alcoholics, drug addicts and over-eating "disorders" abound. I ended up using cigarettes instead and now I vape. Compared to the addictions that my family members have suffered, vaping and being "addicted" to nicotine is nothing. I'm willing to bet that if e-cigarettes were available before I started smoking, I would have tried them, too. I don't vape now because I need to, I vape because I want to - same reason I smoked. Not all smokers feel they are "slaves to addiction" and have a goal to be addiction free. The phenomena of vaping variety disproves the ANTZ myth that smokers only smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and no smoker really enjoys the act of smoking.

We call e-cigarettes "smoking alternatives." Well, people who haven't started smoking yet will need alternatives, too. And vaping could end up as alternatives for people who maybe wouldn't have started smoking, but would have suffered addiction to drugs and alcohol far more damaging to their health and lives than smoke-free nicotine could ever be - even with the worst case scenario. I often wonder how many people who could have filled their "void" with nicotine, but avoided it because of the advertised health risks, end up unintentionally addicted to something far worse.

Edited to add: Sorry - I'm on a rant today because of ANTZ stupidity. I don't mean to come off so peeved.

(My personal opinion. Not intended to represent the opinions of CASAA or its board of directors.)

I know what your are saying Kristin, I have no proof that a person will get addicted to nicotine if they have never used nicotine, but we know there is some level of addiction even without smoking. I guess that is a very touchy subject and not sure there is a right or wrong for an adult using them.

 

[DC2]

I know what your are saying Kristin, I have no proof that a person will get addicted to nicotine if they have never used nicotine, but we know there is some level of addiction even without smoking. I guess that is a very touchy subject and not sure there is a right or wrong for an adult using them.

There are people that have been prescribed nicotine patches for certain medical reasons.
As far as I know there is no documented case of any of them ever becoming addicted to nicotine.

And I know there have been a few people here who started vaping nicotine for medical reasons.
And they generally report having trouble remembering to make sure they vape because they keep forgetting.

I'd really like to know if there is anyone, anywhere that got addicted to nicotine by itself.

 

[Tanti]

for most people vaping is replacing one addiction (smoking) with another.

Really it doesnt replace, it helps retrain the brain on how you get your nicotine and once you have broke the cigarette mental addiction, you can remove yourself from the nicotine and the PV if you want, there has been those that have. Lot will not leave off their nicotine and Pv because they enjoy the feeling of smoking. It is an alternitive to smoking for sure for many.