I visited a lot of e-cig internet stores and all of them are some small sellers. I mean, have you seen Malboro or the likes selling e-cigarettes. Why aren't they doing it? They have already established themselves as the big teams, they could make a lot of additional money.
Why aren't the big guys making and selling e-cigs?
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I think the trickle effect on big tobacco would be huge. How can they tax vaping and say it's going towards health care (at least in the US)? It would be very confusing and they would loose a lot of money. Their big fat pockets would shrink substantially. Hehe Just my take on it. But you watch, the govt will find a way to get a piece of the pie it's just a matter of time...you watch.
I think PM and other tobacco companies are watching this market very closely. As there analog sales shrink, you can bet they will be attempting to replace those lost sales.
I don't think they jumped on them yet, because they still remain in a sort of legal grey area.
I don't think they jumped on them yet, because they still remain in a sort of legal grey area.
First they have to get rid of any competition..They can't make them and get them banned.
Once that is done..they will present research to fda and say "theirs" are safe.
Once that is done..they will present research to fda and say "theirs" are safe.
My personal thoughts are that I liken this to Linux and Microsoft. I tend to think that by being a behemoth, you lose your ability to innovate.
I'll take it a step farther, I read a book, called "supertrends" written in the 80's. One of the examples used in the book was that of the railroads essentially dying off as an industry (compared to what it was in it's heyday). There was one or two companies that realized they aren't in the "railroad" business, they're in the "transportation" business. They expanded beyond rail only and survived. The others refused to do so and the majority fell by the wayside. I suspect these companies are too focused on what they've known for so many decades and not giving enough credence to an acceptable alternative.
I hope I'm wrong though. I would love e-cigs to become the norm and dare I hope, bring back the heyday of smoking? Make smoking truly on the level of a cup of coffee, an afterthought instead of a nasty look.
The prices will skyrocket, the government will tax heavily. BUT they will not have the ability to prevent us from DIYing this stuff, so we won't be forced to pay those prices. We can already do everything ourselves except for the stinkin atomizers.
I'll take it a step farther, I read a book, called "supertrends" written in the 80's. One of the examples used in the book was that of the railroads essentially dying off as an industry (compared to what it was in it's heyday). There was one or two companies that realized they aren't in the "railroad" business, they're in the "transportation" business. They expanded beyond rail only and survived. The others refused to do so and the majority fell by the wayside. I suspect these companies are too focused on what they've known for so many decades and not giving enough credence to an acceptable alternative.
I hope I'm wrong though. I would love e-cigs to become the norm and dare I hope, bring back the heyday of smoking? Make smoking truly on the level of a cup of coffee, an afterthought instead of a nasty look.
The prices will skyrocket, the government will tax heavily. BUT they will not have the ability to prevent us from DIYing this stuff, so we won't be forced to pay those prices. We can already do everything ourselves except for the stinkin atomizers.
Very easily. Big evil companies pay lobbyists to bribe members of congress to manipulate laws. It's how this country works.
It has to do with the uncertainty of the investment. Regulatory ambiguity has a very big effect on how companies make decisions.
If a big company tried an e-cig enterprise right now on a major scale, it would be risking a lot -- like being shut down by the regulators at any time.
Any existing company that is doing R&D on this is probably doing it very quietly and secretly and with a small amount of capital.
If a big company tried an e-cig enterprise right now on a major scale, it would be risking a lot -- like being shut down by the regulators at any time.
Any existing company that is doing R&D on this is probably doing it very quietly and secretly and with a small amount of capital.
To roughly quote Milton Friedman, capitalism's biggest enemies are often the capitalists themselves.
Once you're on top of the game, you want to take any advantage, however dirty and political, to keep out competition.
This is why there's a huge lobbying industry built up around Washington, DC. It's called "regulatory capture".
It's not the fault of business, so much as it is the fault of the system which is designed to allow any interest group to beg/bribe/threaten for every regulatory advantage for itself, and for every regulatory disadvantage for its rivals.
Once you allow government to control all sorts of little things, companies and interest groups will do their damnedest to steer that control against their rivals, whether in business or in ideology.
Hey theres 40 of us compared to what like 360 BILLION analogs sold a day SO WTF , they could care less !!
The only groups involved here are US and the ANTI SMOKING crackers ( who manipulate the FDA ) who are WAY LARGER than we are so , do the math.
until there is big $$$ involved be prepared to VAPE illegally
The only groups involved here are US and the ANTI SMOKING crackers ( who manipulate the FDA ) who are WAY LARGER than we are so , do the math.
until there is big $$$ involved be prepared to VAPE illegally
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I agree with Madame P. I suspect there's an R&D section at Phillip Morris full of e cig designs and prototypes. But first they want to get a clearer picture of what the government (FDA) is going to do. Second, they still want to sell as many tobacco leaves as possible. But I seriously doubt that they're going to allow themselves to be left behind should the e cig market take off.
I've posted this before. My girlfriends father was the lead engineer of the Premier cigarette. His budget was nearly 1 BILLION dollars over three years. In the end the powers that be determined it to be a drug delivery devise. Exactly what we have here. Shut down. Interestingly, now we have Nicorette, Zyban, patches, Chantix, etc, available. The FDA has approved all of these as anti-smoking methods or smoking succession aids. Some are even OTC.
It's up to us as individuals to decide what level of involvement we want. Pv's can remain underground and out of the spotlight. There are many advantages to this, however those that want to quit will have to come and find us. We can also be loud as in the ECA or now CASAA. This could potentially help the masses, but draw attention to our plight. Yeah, I'm in the know. Sortof. I for one, am not worried about my future vaping needs. I can purchase ...... online (among other drugs) and I can buy ejuice.
It's up to us as individuals to decide what level of involvement we want. Pv's can remain underground and out of the spotlight. There are many advantages to this, however those that want to quit will have to come and find us. We can also be loud as in the ECA or now CASAA. This could potentially help the masses, but draw attention to our plight. Yeah, I'm in the know. Sortof. I for one, am not worried about my future vaping needs. I can purchase ...... online (among other drugs) and I can buy ejuice.
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