Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

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Because I can!
And I can also buy a high-priced unit if I so choose to do so,
And have !!!

Word.

If I like a clone, and I can afford it, I buy the clone.
If I like an original, and I can afford it, I buy the original.

I can afford clones more often than I can afford originals.
I like originals more often than I like clones.

So it follows that sometimes I buy a clone, and sometimes I buy an original. It's not rocket science, guys. ;)
 

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Cost and Value were two important perceptions listed before.

I work in business development for a major reputable firm, and I can tell you there is always a sweet spot for the educated consumer.

With that being said, I own both authentic and clone. I see value in both. In addition, it's a lot easier to balance my mortgage, car payment, and credit card bills when I mix both authentic and clone. :)

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EDIT: Argh, I just realized this was aimed at mods and not atties. Oops, simply replace that mentally as you read.

I could buy between 7 and 10 atties for the price of one authentic. I like the notion of buying authentic, but if modders operations are so small that their costs are crazy high for development, they need to recoup that. I get that. That's why Youde can make the Goblin and sell it all day long at $30 and make money. Their entire R&D chain is basically already paid off. Bob the builder, in his rented workshop on Saturdays has to take his CAD files to a machine shop and pay out the nose for every proto. His R&D costs are ever-present and loom large in the expense breakdown of his product. Youde pays practically nothing in comparison. They have more CNC mills than you can shake a stick at and plenty of draftsmen playing with AutoCAD. Or whatever it is that you use, tbh, I don't know.

I immediately recognize the difference between these two things. There is no inherent difference here, there's no better based on the context at this point. By the time Bob is done dorking around with his RTA, he's spent so much on machining that he needs to pre-sell 150 units at $220. It might be fantastic, but his economy of scale and operation aren't something I can support. It's not economically feasible for me to do so.

The real bugbear is that by supporting Bob, we could put his business in a better position to actually re-invest and reduce his costs that would afford the opportunity for him to lower his prices. I'm not familiar with any cases where that has happened, but we can dream and I'm far from an expert on the matter. At some point, there is floor to what smaller shops can do with their limited buying power and higher operating costs. I'm fine with that. I'm thinking $75 or so just pulling numbers out of my rump. I'd stretch myself to support that and I'd be far less likely to stock up on $15 Tobeco clones of it.

I won't judge modders as greedy, since I don't have nearly enough information to do so. However, the visuals are duck-like and I'd swear that is quacking that I hear. But I want to give the benefit of the doubt, so they get a little lee-way with me. I still get the feeling from watching the first thing come out at $125, the next at 140, the following at 175, something just seems rotten in Denmark, ya know?

Again, a lot of supposition from my backside here. I'm trying to illustrate a point, not provide actual analysis. Ball-park, ya know? Be gentle. :)

---SNIP---

It is like what has happened in the coffee shop business (in the UK at least), coffee had a massive boom here, the high streets were littered with independent coffee shops all vying for your business, all set up by people trying to cash in on the trend. Sadly there were not enough consumers to keep all of them in business, so some had to fold.
(I would say Starbucks is like the clone manufacturer in this analogy, but their prices are too high to be a fair comparison)

You certainly didn't mean to, but your post is making me jones pretty hard for one of Costa's seasonal Orange Mochas. Man, somebody make that as an ejuice. I miss ole Blighty.
 
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China's economy is very different to most of the world. That's why even their authentics are cheap (Lemo, Goblin, etc). I understand the price difference based on the economics.

I do have some authentics. If I like the clone enough, I try to support the original modder and get the authentic as well.

I'm also very protective of my authentics. They stay at home. Clones and isticks are what I take grocery shopping, etc. If I drop it in a parking lot and it breaks, I won't be that upset. I can get another. Same, if they get scratched or gouged doing yard or barn work. If you've bought something from me, you know how protective I am because it showed up to you looking brand new :)
 

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Same as tools. Buy the best and lifetime warranties but if it is tool you use occasionally then buy a cheapie and when it breaks from using it enough then it warrants buying a good guarantee for life tool to replace it.

But thanks for sharing how ethical you think you are. CHEERS!
 

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Some good answers on here, should at least give you a little insight! ;) Me personally, I prefer and have mostly purchased authentics for the quality differences, however, I HAVE purchased expensive authentic mods in the past that weren't worth a damn, and would have rather have had a clone instead!! As a whole though, I've noticed a big difference in machining, materials, quality assurance and control, customer service...BUT, I also bought almost all of my authentics second hand, used from other vapers! ;) One good thing about all the new stuff coming out in the vaping industry and all the hype, as well as a lot of vaper's short attention spans is I've been about to afford and get my hands on some really nice gear and pieces for not that much more than clones, and even cheaper than what some retail stores sell their clones for ha!

Its been refreshing and good to see modders coming out with gear that is priced more competitively and more in line with the value of said products! I think that's one good effect that clones have had on the market. Some modders like Zen from House of Hybrids even embraced the inevitability of having some of his devices cloned, and has not only capitalized on upgrading them for a fraction of the price of a new device, he is taking steps to make sure those cloned products are safer and backs them up by a warranty after upgrading and servicing them! He truly cares about helping smokers to quit and wants them to have a reliable, safe, stylish and functional device to do so with!

IMHO a lot of it is just to create controversy and drama, which in turn creates exposure, press, buzz, which equates to sales either way! I really don't want to start up yet ANOTHER thread debating clones verses authentics, but I will say that using common sense, logic and rationale, how can you claim that your losing sales, when you're "limited release" products are consistently sold out since the pre-orders, for YEARS! Some mods, like the recently cloned Zero by Carlos Creations have waiting lists for years, vapers have to know the "right" people to get invited to a secret group in order to get on a special list to wait months and month or even years just to have a rare, limited edition mod that nobody else has! It's a bit ridiculous IMHO, but to each their own, I don't make it my business to get into others business about how they spend their money, just don't cry "foul" or claim that it's hurting your innovation or business when in actuality it's done the opposite!

The majority of clone purchasers are going to purchase clones no matter WHAT....they weren't going to buy your product nohow because it cost too much to them! If you make a crappy or subpar product, a product that's way overpriced, we ARE smart enough and you are going to lose business....if your product isn't available we are going to find mods that ARE, and if it's a damn good product, looks good and we can get our hands on it, we will gladly throw are money at you, ESPECIALLY if you treat us halfway decent and have customer support available should we have any issues, that we are usually forgiving and understanding of if again, you are AVAILABLE and treat us with respect!

As far as eliquid goes, I feel it's a bit different! Making juices is very cheap AND easy.....make safe, high quality and good tasting juices, not so much!! A lot of CNC manufacturers already have a lot of the tools to make mods and RDA's, the stuff for necessary for mass producing consistent, lab grade and high quality juices with excellent quality assurance and quality control, customer service, marketing etc. is not as easily readable! I'll vape a mod made out of garage or someone's hobby/project shop as long as it's safe which is easy enough to find out, but I'm not going to vape someone's "bathtub juice"!

While the vape industry has completely exploded in the last few years, the market is full and still has room to expand, it is still in a lot of ways in it's infancy, or ever evolving, and racing to meet, beat and comply with the FDA regulations. There's going to be issues, differences in perspective, opinions, desires, direction, you name it, in other words CONFLICT! However I think industry leaders like Zen have the best mindset, adapting too and accepting the unavoidable, while putting the needs of it's consumers first and foremost and that to me is innovation at it's finest! I've owned 3 ZNA's now in a year and my husband still uses one. As I was bringing it to him just last night I was reminded of how comfortable and effortless it fit in my hand verses this heavier, bulky and pointy box mod I've been using now for a few months (Project Sub Ohm Fat Baby/Segelei 100 watt). Don't get me wrong, I love the one I have too, it does it's job and does it well, but it's not even in the same league as the ZNA. The ZNA is easier to carry, use and looks a lot sharper IMHO. If if had longer battery life available and higher wattages I'd probably be vaping it instead of this one in it's place but for my husband who's been using it for at least 6 months now, it still works and suits him perfectly along with a Kanger Aerotank v2!

Truthfully, the biggest "uproars" I've seen, are from vapers on both sides, the pretentious elitist who are so full of themselves and their mods I'm not sure how they even have room for vapor, and the tightwad cheap @$$3$ who won't purchase a high quality mod claiming it's too expensive, but will have 10 or more of the cheap knockoffs that all virtually look and function the same, while saying it's every bit as good as the authentic version, yet have never even held an authentic to comare it to! End rant......All obviously my perspective, humble opinions and conclusion on the "authentic verses clone debate".

For those with it issues and in an uproar it comes down to buy and vape what works for you, and quit worrying about what others vape, modders will make plenty if their products are solid and they actually employ quality assurance customer service, consumers aren't stupid, we know what the value of something is on point, or at least most of us do, I'm pretty sure! Thanks for reading my book lol, happy vaping!
 

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Some reason why people Use Bootleg Software or Pirated Movies and MP3.

Because it Cost Less.

I think that is a somewhat myopic view on the topic and a bad comparison...

People don't show off their pirated sw, movies, or music in public!

I think many (not all) only buy a clone to look/feel "cool" by appearing to own the "real McCoy's".
 

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this is the way I see it.
I have $220 in my pocket
if I go the authentic route
$120 SMPL mod
$95 quasar rda

the clone route (fasttech)
$18 SMPL
$8 quasar

$18 4nine
$8 orchid

$11 gp paps
$8 origen v2

$19 nemesis
$9 plume veil

$25 XXIX
$15 magma

$25 stingray x
$10 zenith

$21 le petit gross / hobo combo

$15 vanilla
$8 quasar

$29 cartel
$11 stillare

so
authentic 1 mod 1 rda (lets hope shipping is free or I need more cash)
clone 9 mods 9 atties and free shipping.
 

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I think that is a somewhat myopic view on the topic and a bad comparison...

People don't show off their pirated sw, movies, or music in public!

I think many (not all) only buy a clone to look/feel "cool" by appearing to own the "real McCoy's".

I don't know a single person that even know what a mod is and less likely to be interested whether it is authentic or cloned, they are just amazed that my setup costs less than a single 650 ego bat knock off they got from the b&m here (ego bats sell here for $40)
 

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I think that is a somewhat myopic view on the topic and a bad comparison...

People don't show off their pirated sw, movies, or music in public!

I think many (not all) only buy a clone to look/feel "cool" by appearing to own the "real McCoy's".


You can say that Some People buy a Clone to Look/Feel Cool by appearing to own the "real McCoy's. And I don't Disagree.

But if a Clone cost the Same as the OEM Hardware, what would be the Motivation to buy the Clone at that point?

So when it All gets down to it, the Driving Force is Price.
 

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You can say that Some People buy a Clone to Look/Feel Cool by appearing to own the "real McCoy's. And I don't Disagree.

But if a Clone cost the Same as the OEM Hardware, what would be the Motivation to buy the Clone at that point?

So when it All gets down to it, the Driving Force is Price.

Is it though? Money is often used as the argument here. If price is the same as other comparable products that get the same job done, then that same vaper could find an authentic mod in his same price range as the clone. But the authentic isn't "cool" enough for that vapor.

I'm most definitely a function trumps form, guy! All my camping/hunting/fishing gear is all about how it performs. To me it's like buying knock off "whatever is the trendy new jeans", or a fake rolex... that individual is trying to appear to others to have $... to be something they're not. I'm not rich, oh no, far from it. I'm part of the dying middle class hanging on by my fingernails. But I don't want to be something I'm not, although I wouldn't mind a winning lottery ticket. To rephrase; I don't want to appear to be something I'm not.
 

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Same as tools. Buy the best and lifetime warranties but if it is tool you use occasionally then buy a cheapie and when it breaks from using it enough then it warrants buying a good guarantee for life tool to replace it.

But thanks for sharing how ethical you think you are. CHEERS!

A bad tool can mess up the job a few times just the same.

The problem comes from people jumping on the 'I am going to make a mod and sell it for $200' bandwagon. They see that others have made crazy profits from simple and easy to make designs and want a piece of that action regardless of not having the manufacturing capabilities or experience to make it work.

This is simply not reality. You don't make crazy profits producing original mods.

Ironically selling clones is how you make crazy profits.
 

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Is it though? Money is often used as the argument here. If price is the same as other comparable products that get the same job done, then that same vaper could find an authentic mod in his same price range as the clone. But the authentic isn't "cool" enough for that vapor.

I'm most definitely a function trumps form, guy! All my camping/hunting/fishing gear is all about how it performs. To me it's like buying knock off "whatever is the trendy new jeans", or a fake rolex... that individual is trying to appear to others to have $... to be something they're not. I'm not rich, oh no, far from it. I'm part of the dying middle class hanging on by my fingernails. But I don't want to be something I'm not, although I wouldn't mind a winning lottery ticket. To rephrase; I don't want to appear to be something I'm not.

Yes... At the End of the Day, It Is.

Don't get me wrong though. I could Care Less what other people think about the Logos on the Products I use. And I don't buy Products to Impress People. Never have.

The way I see it, if the Thing that Impresses People about Me is the Logo on the Products I use, then I think that they are a Little Shallow. And I don't put impressing Shallow People very high on my list of things to do in Life.

If I buy a Hana Clone for 40 Bucks verses an OEM for a Buck and a Half, it is because I want a APV that works for 40 Bucks. Not because it has the Hana Logo on it.

BTW - Putting someone Else's Logo on a Clone is, to me, Piracy. And I believe that Retailers should NOT be seeing Clones that have OEM Logos on them.
 

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Just curious with all the uproar over counterfeit products in this industry, why so many vapers knowingly buy clones?

Seems counterproductive to me...?

Because I can afford a $35-$35 Tobeco KFL+. I can afford a $40 "Fallen Angel" (EA Mod clone). I can't afford +$100 for anything, unless it's a mortgage pmt, car pmt, insurance pmt, or utility. Vape or no vape, I still have to pay bills -- they aren't going to wait around for payment so I can afford a non-clone piece of vaping hardware.

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