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I hope you vw fanboys realize that your argument that selecting vv is really just selecting wattage anyway, so may as well just use variable wattage is wrong.
In vv mode, when you change resistance, your changing the wattage.
In vw mode, when you switch resistance, you change the voltage
As the resistance changes microscopic amounts during the hit, the voltage/wattage gets changed as well. All you do is select one of them to remain constant.
Both settings are inferior to a system that would allow you to just select wire temperature.
Therefore, knocking a device for not having variable wattage is ignorant. They are both just two ways of getting the same exact result. Unless your device has a wire temperature mode, it is inferior. In addition, if you are using an inaccurate China vw device, you have absolutely no right to claim that the provaris vv is inaccurate. Your vw device is losing any potential superiority with its extremely inaccurate pwm.
If you argue any of my points here then you are too ignorant for me to value your opinion. If you are offended by this, stop taking electronic cigarettes so seriously. Is an electronic cigarette, that's just it. You use it to quit smoking, not have childish fights over why yours is better on the internet
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In vv mode, when you change resistance, your changing the wattage.
In vw mode, when you switch resistance, you change the voltage
As the resistance changes microscopic amounts during the hit, the voltage/wattage gets changed as well. All you do is select one of them to remain constant.
Both settings are inferior to a system that would allow you to just select wire temperature.
Therefore, knocking a device for not having variable wattage is ignorant. They are both just two ways of getting the same exact result. Unless your device has a wire temperature mode, it is inferior. In addition, if you are using an inaccurate China vw device, you have absolutely no right to claim that the provaris vv is inaccurate. Your vw device is losing any potential superiority with its extremely inaccurate pwm.
If you argue any of my points here then you are too ignorant for me to value your opinion. If you are offended by this, stop taking electronic cigarettes so seriously. Is an electronic cigarette, that's just it. You use it to quit smoking, not have childish fights over why yours is better on the internet
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My experiences with Provari are excellent.
With China made (L Rider and TMax), not so much. L Rider was "OK", TMax was TERRIBLE.
With DNA20, excellent.
Like my Provari but kinda dont like the 1 button control. Everything else is as advertised.
Lol...I covered that in one of my useless posts a few or many pages back. But you knew where I was going with the questions.
I've almost bought a DNA20 device many times. The problem is the lack of step down. With the wattages I vape at, I'd either have to build my coils specifically for it and have them be useless on my mechs or just have a device where the chip isn't regulating most of the time.
I do want to try a nivel device. I just wish fazed would make one not in a snus tin.
The build quality, warranty, and accuracy are just icing on the cake.
The difference in vape quality between Chinese PWM devices and the PWM output of the Provari is the real underestimated benefit of the Provari.
The difference in vape quality between Chinese PWM devices and the PWM output of the Provari is the real underestimated benefit of the Provari.
its always funny to me how people bash the popular product. some cases its okay as they do tend to suck, but the one that actually work and are good quality items, i tend to .... and face palm the ignorance. Look if you dont like the $$, then dont buy it. if you dont like one button menu, dont buy it. if you dont like the old school alarm clock lcd, then dont buy it. buy what you want, just dont go and ask "why prover" or "what do people love this so much" and proceed to bash a device that is clearly not for you.
even though i think hooking a mod up to a PC and doing any kind of profile creation is stupid, i wont go bashing the Janty mid because of it. you also wont find me in the mech section bashing people for using a mech with a sub ohm coil because i think its dumb.
bottom line is, either buy it to try and if it is not for you, then sell or just leave the comments at the door.
even though i think hooking a mod up to a PC and doing any kind of profile creation is stupid, i wont go bashing the Janty mid because of it. you also wont find me in the mech section bashing people for using a mech with a sub ohm coil because i think its dumb.
bottom line is, either buy it to try and if it is not for you, then sell or just leave the comments at the door.
Yeah. I understand the step down limitation. Fortunately, for me, that's not an issue.
What does this have to do with VV and VW? Physics doesn't care what you or I think.
I'll say it again. Watt is a unit of power, volt is not. Simple as that.
I'm not argue specific devices. It's possible for a device to lack VW and still be superior in every other aspect.
Isn't that what I've been saying all along? I'm talking about just VW and VV. I'm not talking about any particular implementation. And VW is technically superior, more user friendly, and faster.
I have not said anything about a Provari vs Vamo vs eVic.
All I'm saying is a Provari with VW would be a better Provari.
An eVic without VW would be a worse eVic.
You know I'm right. I know you know that because you know at least some electronics. Most of the fanboys here obviously don't know much about this. And I bet you know it too. But you're just siding with the irrational and ignorant fanboys because you think I'm criticizing a Provari. You think I've committed heresy. What I want to know is why do you help persist the ignorance? Doesn't intellectual honesty count for something around here?
I give up. Why provari? Because some like it. What kinda friggin question is that? Why purple? LOL
Well, ok. I'm not sure where we are going here then. VW calculates the correct voltage for your desired power output, VV is where you set the voltage for your desired power output. The usefulness, or it's "better", of what VW does would depend on the end user. It's not better for me and it's not objectively better, it's doing another thing.
So in your opinion, is a device lacking VW (provari) but superior in every other aspect to the china vv/vw's a superior overall device? Taking into account cost, is a provari worth it?
Or does calculating the voltage for you supersede things like build quality, accuracy, fulfilling it's power range and so on?
The answer to that would be more relevant than another post pretending to educate us on what we all already know. The experience is important to that question and that question is what this thread was about.
That's a different argument. An argument I'm not making.
On quality alone, I think the Provari beat every single Chinese device so far. I have never said otherwise.
I can see that a lot fanboys on this thread accused me of saying something I didn't.
VW is basically just a user interface, and that's all I'm talking about.
The Provari does not beat every Chinese device in the user interface department.
I agree with you on both points, but the bottom line is that a Provari with VV is still better than an eVic with VW. Unless you value having VW and a pretty (and useful) display over superior taste, smooth power delivery and build quality. Would a Provari with VW, a GUI and a multi button interface be better? Hell yeah. Maybe we'll get that with V3. Do I care? Not really.
Remember, I'm not against VW, I'm just waiting for someone to do it right.
Seriously? Do you also disagree that a speedometer is objectively better than a tachometer for the purpose of measuring speed?
Superior overall, yes.
Is it worth it? Yes, if you want a reliable and accurate device. For me, it's a no because user interface is more important, above all else. I also prefer a slower Linux or Mac computer over a faster Windows computer. And I prefer a comfortable car over a faster uncomfortable car. And so on...
Not pretending. I'm trying. But evidently, it's futile.
It's quite clear that many fanboys on ECF don't know what they're talking about. There are many instances on this thread alone. For example, someone suggested variable current as the next iteration. If you know anything about electricity, you know that makes no sense. Yet another user actually agrees with this nonsense! And even concludes that the Provari is superior. That, in itself, is a non-sequitar. It's just willful ignorance. It reminds me of creationists trying to deny evolutionary theory. They are ignorant, but they get lots of support from fanboys who are equally ignorant.
The bottom line is, to figure out the power you need one of these:
1. voltage and resistance.
2. voltage and current.
3. current and resistant.
With power, it's already power. There's nothing to figure out.
I understand VW is not the be-all and end-all. It is, however, superior to VV simply because voltage is not power.
And the winner is...^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Seriously, this is in it's infancy in terms of technology. Selecting voltage or wattage to remain constant is your only option and both a bit crude in terms of the perfect burn or vapor. Now wire temperature is one step forward. Select this for your vape and the device's electronics will adjust for the desired result. I have no doubt that this is the next step in advanced vaping devices. It's not hard to put together. A thermocouple near the coil, a microprocessor and a instruction set similar to a PIC chip. You might need a D/A converter in there somewhere. I can almost put this together on my bench now with a few minor purchases, although it won't look like one of the said devices in this thread without structural design.
Juice makers will give a recommended burning temp for their juice and we could have a chart or scale for burning different make ups of juice (PG/VG) and flavors. All heading toward the 'perfect' vape I guess.
Let me say that although a heated subject, this thread has remained pretty cool. Hey, it stayed open didn't it?
Thanks all.
That's a personal preference. For me, the UI is more important than everything else.
I agree. A Provari with VW can only be better. There are absolutely no downsides to VW compared to VV.
My beef is with people who insists the Provari is perfect in every way for everyone. Even worse are those who claims that the lack of VW is actually a reason for its superiority. That is utter nonsense. Of course, you already know that... You're from San Jose.
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