If all of the bad parts and side effects of a cigarette are removed by using an e-cigarette, is there a reason you 'should' still quit? I mean if it's something you enjoy, and it's not harming you anymore, what are the reasons to quit?
Why quit?
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Honestly, I'm no longer trying to quit. I enjoy my new smoke toys and don't have the same guilt I did when I was smoking cigarettes.
As a note: my brother-in-law dragged me outside for an old fashioned cigarette last weekend, I couldn't stand the thing. One month with my e-cigar and I find that I can't stand the "old way" of smoking.
As a note: my brother-in-law dragged me outside for an old fashioned cigarette last weekend, I couldn't stand the thing. One month with my e-cigar and I find that I can't stand the "old way" of smoking.
No. And yes. Most manufacturers savvy about U.S. advertising know they should NOT advertise the e-devices for quitting. That would bring the Federal Trade Commission and the Food & Drug Administration into play. Those we do not want looking into e-smoking. E-smoking is an alternative to cigarette smoking, not a quitting method.
But quitting is desirable. Nicotine causes a constriction of the arteries, in addition to an increased pulse rate and blood pressure. The latter two impacts are transient and normalcy returns after nicotine exits the body in a couple of hours. But the constriction of the arteries can, over time, lead to artheroschorosis. That triggers artery blockage, with stroke and heart attack looming as possibilities in later life.
So it's not just cancer to fear. It's damage being done inside the body. Those who use nicotine now will surely face numerous problems later -- erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, diminished vision, cold extremities. But the biggie is stroke or heart attack. Those can result from using nicotine, easily obtained with our e-smoking devices. That's why quitting is always best.
But quitting is desirable. Nicotine causes a constriction of the arteries, in addition to an increased pulse rate and blood pressure. The latter two impacts are transient and normalcy returns after nicotine exits the body in a couple of hours. But the constriction of the arteries can, over time, lead to artheroschorosis. That triggers artery blockage, with stroke and heart attack looming as possibilities in later life.
So it's not just cancer to fear. It's damage being done inside the body. Those who use nicotine now will surely face numerous problems later -- erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, diminished vision, cold extremities. But the biggie is stroke or heart attack. Those can result from using nicotine, easily obtained with our e-smoking devices. That's why quitting is always best.
Thanks, very informative response. I didnt know nicotine was that bad. Isnt it only really bad if you overdo it or OD? I dont even smoke cigarettes all that much anymore, but here and there it relaxes me which is why I ordered an njoy. I'll probably only smoke it once or so a day.
nicotine does have its plus side.. it must have else people wouldnt continue to tolerate the well known minus side caused by the most common way people use of getting it.. we just dont hear of it very often.. its not fashionable to look for the plus side of nicotine..
what we still dont know much about is the effects of excessive e-smoking.. so far my pretty bad smokers cough has instantly disappeared.. my temperament has remained tolerable.. but what bothers me isnt my nicotine intake its my glycerol intake.. thats one (excessive) intake that isnt really known.. its thought to be relatively harmless but then again people havnt been gulping it in the same quantities that i now am..
time will tell.. but it has to be better than my roll-ups.. he he
trog
what we still dont know much about is the effects of excessive e-smoking.. so far my pretty bad smokers cough has instantly disappeared.. my temperament has remained tolerable.. but what bothers me isnt my nicotine intake its my glycerol intake.. thats one (excessive) intake that isnt really known.. its thought to be relatively harmless but then again people havnt been gulping it in the same quantities that i now am..
time will tell.. but it has to be better than my roll-ups.. he he
trog
Trog, you're right on extended use of propylene glycol. I don't know any researcher sounding a warning on inhaling it, but certainly there are no extended studies on this simply because no one has ever inhaled it multiple times daily for a long period. We've expressed concerns about that here many times. We are the guinea pigs for PG inhalation.
Nicotine has some well-known pluses. It's even used for ADHD now. In the brain, it triggers the release of serotonin and dopamine, which are your "feel good" chemicals. It also triggers releases from the liver and pancreas -- which are not good and lead to later problems with those organs. That's in addition to what it does to your heart rate, blood pressure and arterial constriction. Surely no one would argue that for the average person, using nicotine is a good thing overall. It isn't.
But we're a lot better off getting it from e-smoking than from inhaling tobacco smoke. My real question: Would I be safer getting it from puffing my pipe or using Swedish snus all day?
Nicotine has some well-known pluses. It's even used for ADHD now. In the brain, it triggers the release of serotonin and dopamine, which are your "feel good" chemicals. It also triggers releases from the liver and pancreas -- which are not good and lead to later problems with those organs. That's in addition to what it does to your heart rate, blood pressure and arterial constriction. Surely no one would argue that for the average person, using nicotine is a good thing overall. It isn't.
But we're a lot better off getting it from e-smoking than from inhaling tobacco smoke. My real question: Would I be safer getting it from puffing my pipe or using Swedish snus all day?
i tend to take most of the bad things i read about nicotine with large pinch of salt.. its too connected with tobacco not be be biased on the bad side..
i am not saying its "good" simply not as bad as made out.. its hard to find genuine (unbiased) research on anything.. people tend to try and please those that pay them.. i dont even think tobacco is as bad as its made out to be either.. but thats probably down to my life long use of the stuff.. and being abit older.. he he..
i dont fancy snus somehow.. but it might be the safest option overall ..
trog
i am not saying its "good" simply not as bad as made out.. its hard to find genuine (unbiased) research on anything.. people tend to try and please those that pay them.. i dont even think tobacco is as bad as its made out to be either.. but thats probably down to my life long use of the stuff.. and being abit older.. he he..
i dont fancy snus somehow.. but it might be the safest option overall ..
trog
Maybe we're close in age, Trog. I did 30 cigarettes a day for 50 years.
I do snus all day now. All day. E-smoke and snus at the same time. Doing both as I type this. Also use Stonewall hard snuff. Tastes great. I have never overdosed on nicotine while e-smoking the 24mg liquid, but have knocked myself flat several times on snus, and became well acquainted with my bathroom facilities. Snus can be very powerful. But it has a 300-year history of safe use in Sweden. The statistics are there for anyone to check. Much safer than cigarette smoking, for sure.
I think both SJ and I are getting a bit more concerned about the NEW nicotine discoveries. It's always been the fall guy for evil tobacco, etc., but it is a powerful drug on its own. Don't think for a moment that I believe all the anti-tobacco crap funded by Big Pharmaceutical to get us off tobacco and onto their expensive products. I don't. But there are indications now that nicotine is not altogether the benign substance we once thought. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but I would eventually like to be free of this monkey. BananaDoc is my new hero! I, too, hope to "smoke" nothing but flavors before long.
Nicotine is not my friend, that's for sure. Why quit? Why keep using it is a better question.
I do snus all day now. All day. E-smoke and snus at the same time. Doing both as I type this. Also use Stonewall hard snuff. Tastes great. I have never overdosed on nicotine while e-smoking the 24mg liquid, but have knocked myself flat several times on snus, and became well acquainted with my bathroom facilities. Snus can be very powerful. But it has a 300-year history of safe use in Sweden. The statistics are there for anyone to check. Much safer than cigarette smoking, for sure.
I think both SJ and I are getting a bit more concerned about the NEW nicotine discoveries. It's always been the fall guy for evil tobacco, etc., but it is a powerful drug on its own. Don't think for a moment that I believe all the anti-tobacco crap funded by Big Pharmaceutical to get us off tobacco and onto their expensive products. I don't. But there are indications now that nicotine is not altogether the benign substance we once thought. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but I would eventually like to be free of this monkey. BananaDoc is my new hero! I, too, hope to "smoke" nothing but flavors before long.
Nicotine is not my friend, that's for sure. Why quit? Why keep using it is a better question.
I have to smile. The folks who use the snus forums (even more users than here) ask me, "What's an electronic cigarette?"
The snus I use are tiny teabag-like pouches of flavored tobacco. They've been used in Sweden for centuries now -- more users of snus than cigarettes. But they are fairly new in popularity in America. We've recently added Camel, Lucky Strike and Marlboro snus to the offerings. Also snus from P. Lorrilard and Vector Group. All the Big Tobacco players are now aggressively marketing snus. Very safe. Very tasty. Very potent.
Basically (don't even think of loose tobacco) you tuck the teabag between cheek and gum and just let it sit for an hour or so. Your mouth absorbs the nicotine from the tobacco. Many snus taste terrible, but not the new American ones. They taste more like chewing gum.
Most people call 'em snooze, but the Swedish rhyme it was "loose".
One last thought: Lots of women use them because snus can't be seen in use. They can be used at work, in a restaurant, anywhere. Very discreet. They maintain a steady-state nicotine level of your choice.
The snus I use are tiny teabag-like pouches of flavored tobacco. They've been used in Sweden for centuries now -- more users of snus than cigarettes. But they are fairly new in popularity in America. We've recently added Camel, Lucky Strike and Marlboro snus to the offerings. Also snus from P. Lorrilard and Vector Group. All the Big Tobacco players are now aggressively marketing snus. Very safe. Very tasty. Very potent.
Basically (don't even think of loose tobacco) you tuck the teabag between cheek and gum and just let it sit for an hour or so. Your mouth absorbs the nicotine from the tobacco. Many snus taste terrible, but not the new American ones. They taste more like chewing gum.
Most people call 'em snooze, but the Swedish rhyme it was "loose".
One last thought: Lots of women use them because snus can't be seen in use. They can be used at work, in a restaurant, anywhere. Very discreet. They maintain a steady-state nicotine level of your choice.
Nevermind, I just googled it. Thanks and really good nite this time to everyone.NerdyCinderella said:
Well PPG isn't exactly healthy for you. From what I can find it's used in anti-freeze, and has warning for when handled because it quickly penetrates the skin, among other things.TropicalBob said:
But then again PPG is close to PEG (polyethylene glycol) and PEG is commonly used as a solvent for plenty of things that are in injectable pharmaceuticals.
So while I think it might not be great for you, there are no cases of overdose I can find and it's a hell of a lot safer than the crap they put in cigarettes.
I would compare nicotine to caffeine almost as far as its widespread use goes. More dangerous, sure, but it falls in that same group, at least for me.
Might be interesting though; nicotine is deadly if it is handled directly or in large quantities. So if these e-cigarettes go mainstream, the liquid used goes as well and now you have the general public able to directly handle possibly dangerous levels of nicotine.
The public already handles dangerous levels of nicotine in cigarettes. The public also handles dangerous chemicals every day in the medicine chest and cleaning closet. Not to mention gasoline, solvents, drain cleaners and on and on. The key is that all of these products come in child safe packaging, have appropriate warning labels and directions on proper use.
If anyone cares to mention that e-liquid has a sweet taste and is, therefore, more dangerous than the average chemical, might I point out that nico gum and lozenges also have a sweet taste and are not sold in child safe packaging. Lets hope good sense prevails.
If anyone cares to mention that e-liquid has a sweet taste and is, therefore, more dangerous than the average chemical, might I point out that nico gum and lozenges also have a sweet taste and are not sold in child safe packaging. Lets hope good sense prevails.
Quirky, I get your point, but there's a big difference. The amount of nicotine in the tiny 4ml vials of E-Liquid (at the 24mg strength I ordered) is sufficient to kill an adult almost two times over. We're talking a thimble-full. You couldn't get that much nicotine if you chain-smoked cigarettes non-stop. You'd have to simultaneously chew 24 pieces of the highest-strength Nicorette gum to get that much. E-Liquid is deadly poison in amounts beyond drops and let's not kid ourselves about the danger. Used as directed ... it's not dangerous to much beyond our blood pressure. But if a child or pet consumed the contents of a vial, we're talking front page news.
nicotine has very short half life.. eight minutes i think.. it dosnt build up in the body.. so getting too much and being daft enough to swallow it all in one go isnt likely..
but you could equally say what happens if u light a match while filling your gas tank.. ???
there are more ways to easily kill ourselves in day to day life than we realize.. one more remote possibility aint gonna make much difference..
trog
but you could equally say what happens if u light a match while filling your gas tank.. ???
there are more ways to easily kill ourselves in day to day life than we realize.. one more remote possibility aint gonna make much difference..
trog
Differentiate nicotine here. The amount we inhale with each puff using the strongest available commerical liquid is less than the amount a single puff on a normal cigarette produces. Not dangerous, in other words. The stuff in the bottle is another story. It's a dangerous health hazard in very small amounts.
Dr. Loi warns of contact dermatitis from getting it on his hands. If it gets in the mouth, the natural urge is to spit it out. Do so and rinse out your mouth. You might still feel a burn from it. Dr. Loi and others suggest wearing gloves when handling the bottles of e-liquid.
In exploring ways to use it, it was tried as both a patch and a diluted nasal spray. The patch wasn't a success and the nasal spray produced inflammation and infection of the nasal passages within a week of onset of use. It can be used safely only one way -- vaporizing it into minute amounts safe for inhalation.
I think the jury will be out for awhile on whether concentrated nicotine, aside from use as a pesticide, is just one more danger we'll accept and look the other way on. As RuyanAmerica says on its web site: the FDA has not evaluated our e-smoking yet.
Dr. Loi warns of contact dermatitis from getting it on his hands. If it gets in the mouth, the natural urge is to spit it out. Do so and rinse out your mouth. You might still feel a burn from it. Dr. Loi and others suggest wearing gloves when handling the bottles of e-liquid.
In exploring ways to use it, it was tried as both a patch and a diluted nasal spray. The patch wasn't a success and the nasal spray produced inflammation and infection of the nasal passages within a week of onset of use. It can be used safely only one way -- vaporizing it into minute amounts safe for inhalation.
I think the jury will be out for awhile on whether concentrated nicotine, aside from use as a pesticide, is just one more danger we'll accept and look the other way on. As RuyanAmerica says on its web site: the FDA has not evaluated our e-smoking yet.
Never the less, a child does not know the difference between nic gum or lozenges or candy. An unattended child could consume - enough to kill in short order. Bottle or no.
Let me tell you why I know this - back in the day there was a laxative called Exlax and it was sold in chocolate flavor.
My mother kept some on top of the fridge. She did not know that at 3 I could climb onto the counter and reach the top of the fridge. I would eat a lot of moms exlax and had constant ......... That was not a lot of laxative for a child. But my "habit" just about killed me as I failed to absorb nutrients, dehydration and lost a lot of weight. No one could figure out why I as failing to thrive. Eventually we moved and the exlax got stored somewhere I could not find. I did not die
It is a hilarious story now. But it could have turned out very differently.
My point is that danger is every where. Proper packaging, and adult vigilance can not be substituted.
It is NOT the drug that is the problem. It is misuse and mishandling that is the problem.
Let me tell you why I know this - back in the day there was a laxative called Exlax and it was sold in chocolate flavor.
My mother kept some on top of the fridge. She did not know that at 3 I could climb onto the counter and reach the top of the fridge. I would eat a lot of moms exlax and had constant ......... That was not a lot of laxative for a child. But my "habit" just about killed me as I failed to absorb nutrients, dehydration and lost a lot of weight. No one could figure out why I as failing to thrive. Eventually we moved and the exlax got stored somewhere I could not find. I did not die
It is a hilarious story now. But it could have turned out very differently.My point is that danger is every where. Proper packaging, and adult vigilance can not be substituted.
It is NOT the drug that is the problem. It is misuse and mishandling that is the problem.
I'm with you right up to the last sentence. That one sounds like "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
Your friendly government probably won't outright ban nicotine and its products. There's this lesson from Prohibition to remember. But there will likely be bans on its delivery (already happening), its availability via import (that would be a snap to mandate), and its concentrated strength. At some level, it's a hazardous chemical. No one has yet set that level into law. But someone will as soon as e-smoking comes under the magnifying glass of bureaucratic eyes.
We can hope the tilt goes to regulation, rather than an outright ban. Still, you just know that the only far-out possibility is that government shrugs and lets the free market do its thing. That won't happen because of pressure from health fanatics and from both Big Tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical. None of them make money with this. All of them come out losers. The arguments on our forum center around its healthy aspect, and I certainly e-smoke for that reason. But, sadly, improving health won't be a consideration with so much money at stake from 46 million American smokers looking to quit under pressure from new bans. The opposite argument will likely be used: Nicotine is a highly addictive drug that poses health hazards to its users. Restrict it.
Short story of where we are today: I went to order some tobacco product online the other day, to a shop I've used before. Only this time, a notice on the Web site said no more online orders can be filled. An insurance company had told the shop owner that the insurance would be dropped if online orders continued, on the possibility that someone under 18 might order and violate the law, resulting in a costly criminal mess.
Your friendly government probably won't outright ban nicotine and its products. There's this lesson from Prohibition to remember. But there will likely be bans on its delivery (already happening), its availability via import (that would be a snap to mandate), and its concentrated strength. At some level, it's a hazardous chemical. No one has yet set that level into law. But someone will as soon as e-smoking comes under the magnifying glass of bureaucratic eyes.
We can hope the tilt goes to regulation, rather than an outright ban. Still, you just know that the only far-out possibility is that government shrugs and lets the free market do its thing. That won't happen because of pressure from health fanatics and from both Big Tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical. None of them make money with this. All of them come out losers. The arguments on our forum center around its healthy aspect, and I certainly e-smoke for that reason. But, sadly, improving health won't be a consideration with so much money at stake from 46 million American smokers looking to quit under pressure from new bans. The opposite argument will likely be used: Nicotine is a highly addictive drug that poses health hazards to its users. Restrict it.
Short story of where we are today: I went to order some tobacco product online the other day, to a shop I've used before. Only this time, a notice on the Web site said no more online orders can be filled. An insurance company had told the shop owner that the insurance would be dropped if online orders continued, on the possibility that someone under 18 might order and violate the law, resulting in a costly criminal mess.
It's different though, nicotine is absorbed readily through the skin with it's suspended in PPG, and it takes a very small amount to kill you. The only thing close to it I can think of is handling powdered clenbuterol, where mcg (micrograms) can kill you and required gloves and a respirator to work with.quirky said:
It's not like a kid needing to eat a whole bottle of Tylenol or drinking a whole bottle of cough syrup, they could spill a bottle of e liquid on their hand and be in trouble.
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