Word of warning about box mods in public

[ab357]

I believe that many Police departments and other law enforcement agencies should have been briefed on electronic cigarettes by now. Still, you could get shot for reaching for anything under some circumstances. Some people try to commit suicide this way.

Trust me, three months ago I had never heard of an e-cig. I found them on the Internet. I haven't found one single person that I work with that use them; 99% never heard of them.

I certainly can't speak for local PDs but I don't see anyone taking time during roll call to talk about e-cigs. That is unless the particular town came out with an ordinance preventing their use. Even in the remote chance that e-cigs came up between a group of coppers, they are still far less likely to know about the different types of mods. Unless one of them is a vapor. This forum's sub group "thin blue line' illustrates the low percentage of public safety officers vaping. We're not exactly the largest sub group.

 

[jj2]

I would hope this never happens.

But if it turned out to be a not-so-law bidding citizen who jumped the gun (pun intended), and it was in Chicago, poor Joe Public wouldn't have anyway of defending himself because owning a gun there is taboo.
Yep, the only ones who have possession of a gun is the cops and the criminals, and the cops are totally outnumbered and have totally lost control. There are places in that city a cop won't even venture into.
But enough said, otherwise this is a discussion for the Outside.

 

[Quick1]

Lol, this is definitely an Outside discussion...

The argument being made is that you are at a high risk of getting shot pulling ANYTHING out of your pocket. That about the jist of it? Cell Phone, battery pack, cigarette case, pocket knife, maybe anything with a button or something that looks like a button,... c'mon.

I find the argument that if you're VAPING it might be taken as an illegal drug device, but they don't shoot first too many people for that.

 

[ab357]

I would hope this never happens.

But if it turned out to be a not-so-law bidding citizen who jumped the gun (pun intended), and it was in Chicago, poor Joe Public wouldn't have anyway of defending himself because owning a gun there is taboo.
Yep, the only ones who have possession of a gun is the cops and the criminals, and the cops are totally outnumbered and have totally lost control. There are places in that city a cop won't even venture into.
But enough said, otherwise this is a discussion for the Outside.

Just which area in Chicago CPD won't venture into? I was a Chgo. police officer and detective for 16 years before going federal. I still live in Chgo. The dept. is vastly understaffed as is the ISP and CCSPD. But you AREN'T going to find one single block where an in progress call comes through and the police not respond.

No where in my posts did I say anything about criminals or anyone not legally entitled to carry a concealed weapon using one.

 

[ab357]

Lol, this is definitely an Outside discussion...

The argument being made is that you are at a high risk of getting shot pulling ANYTHING out of your pocket. That about the jist of it? Cell Phone, battery pack, cigarette case, pocket knife, maybe anything with a button or something that looks like a button,... c'mon.

I find the argument that if you're VAPING it might be taken as an illegal drug device, but they don't shoot first too many people for that.

Actually that is the gist of it. Under the right set of circumstances, anything can lead to you being shot. Including walking out your front door. However there are aspects that only law enforcement is privy to.

This thread started as a simple post offering insight that most civilians don't take into account during their daily activities. If you feel it's useless, fine. Some may not, and it may make a big difference.

I also note that most replies refer to vaping. This thread is about what could happen before you start vaping. Pulling out your mod.

 

[Quick1]

Ok. Thanks for the warning. People should always exercise some situational awareness in public. But I don't think there is anything specific to e-cigs or vaping here.

 

[jfdpl686]

Just remember all it takes is one cop or person with a concealed carry permit to see you pulling one out and think you're a terrorist.

As to stealth smoking on a plane. I fly frequently, sometimes commercial. I have used my Hello in the restroom with no detonation. Also which would you prefer, being busted in the restroom by staff or a plane load of frightened passengers "subduing" you? How much thermal energy is expended vaping?

Well, it looks that you are right because you are right.

I am the luckiest person in NYC because nothing has happen to me in TS and I cross my fingers that nothing will ever happen.

Regarding smoke detector systems… what can I say? True, most crafts have the old system in place but many are been renewed.

Answering your questions: I prefer not being busted. I chew nicotine gum instead of vape; I play safe, I do not risk myself nor I cause problems for me or the rest of the passengers, I don’t want to be blamed because I caused divertion and emergency landing of a flight. And I consider people who venture or do stunts causing problems to others to be rude and well deserved hated by everybody.

For your second questions, check out the very early smoke detection systems; those work in base of thresholds, the first one, being any obscuration in the chamber which can be cause by mist or haze, so vapor is easily detected; up to 7th grade which is black deep smoke. As far as I recall, aircrafts work within 3 thresholds in compartments and 4 or 5 in cabin. All will cause a silent alarm and alert the crew but I do not know which one cause the alert for emergency landing.

So, I would totally recommend NOT to vape in an airplane (same as gas stations as now being another topic in the forum), and if you “have to”, then do it in your seat, any place as far as the location of the sensors; for sure, there are sensors in all bathrooms and near the warming areas and some in the cabin.

 

[ab357]

jfdpl686 ,

I'm pm'ing you more details.

 

[sanfordf]

Double post during Server issues.

 

[sanfordf]

As far as stealth vaping on a plane, if you hold it in long enough there is nothing to exhale. Nothing to see. If done well.

 

[jfdpl686]

jfdpl686 ,

I'm pm'ing you more details.

Got it and responded! Great one! Really...

 

[jfdpl686]

As far as stealth vaping on a plane, if you hold it in long enough there is nothing to exhale. Nothing to see. If done well.

true. Best way of stealth vape. Elegant and not getting attention.
I can't wait until someone create liquid with minimum vapor and odor for those situations.

For that, my favorite device is the Joye Stick 3 and 100% PG liquid.

 

[Happy Domino38]

I hope i get shot!!!! and dont die of course...because that would be a really great lawsuit opportunity...

Now THAT was a truly ridiculous statement.

Let's not give anyone any ideas, 'kay Vaporizer?

And, a scary world we live in? Sure is! But, why is everyone arguing with the OP? HE'S the one that has the orders, he's just spreading the word and trying to be as responsible as he possibly can. Don't LIKE what he has to say? Well, neither do I, but take the opportunity he's GIVING you to watch your ... and warn anyone you know that uses a box mod.

 

[Caddyman]

i dont think anyone police, fbi, whoever, is instructed to shoot on sight for detonation device looking object....

is it a good idea to be aware of your surroundings as to not cause a stir, surely.
do some box mods look like detonation devices, surely.
do I think you will get shot on sight for pulling one out of your pocket....highly HIGHLY doubtful.

 

[uba egar320]

I have some background in explosives.Trust me when I say that just about anyone with a little bit of experience or instructions can make a detonation device out of just about anything.Pens,cell phones,laptops,shoes,mousetraps,coke cans the list goes on and on.Just need an idea and a bit of know how(internet) and it can be done.Now the part of all this that gets tricky is getting your hands on an explosive with a good shattering effect so you can use small amounts of it to disguise your weapon.Another tricky part for beginners would be wiring it up to a hot detonating device without turning yourself into a red mist and a memory.

 

[prof beard]

Surely, it depends how you hold the things - and it's not just box mods - how does this look?

 

[uba egar320]

Surely, it depends how you hold the things - and it's not just box mods - how does this look?

To funny.Kerbamm!!

 

[Caddyman]

Right, if i got shot for pulling my car remote outta my pocket i would be more then a little upset...

 

[jfdpl686]

This is simply an “awareness” post by the op with some “extreme” examples.
Despite chances being slim, there is still a chance!

It is all about you, how you act hand behave in the society.

Many vapers have the stigma or resentment of their smoking ages. Yes, we were relegated; now, some believe this is fine and “challenge” society trying to “prove” something.

Common sense, awareness and caution are key to a real enjoyment, not only for vaping but for most things in society.

Many people around here thinks we need to educate the world; but first, we need to educate ourselves and our community to correctly show the rest of the world.

Vaping is great for us but not necessarily for other people for many reasons. In other thread I gave an example of some kind of migraine the is triggered by odors; it is common courtesy not to vape near someone who suffer this.

Translate your vaping to any other activity. You don’t blast your music at 2:30 AM in the middle of the street on a working day or in a hospital… it is the same situation.

 

[sheep]

Again, it's not puffing on it that is the problem. That'll just potentially get some questions about what you're using. It's the act of pulling it out and attempting to prime it that is where the moment of danger lies.

You can't hang out anyone to dry for following written, approved General Orders.

You're not seriously suggesting that there is a general, shoot first ask questions later policy regarding anything suspicious are you?

Shoot somebody who's planning to detonate a bomb and you'll be a hero. Shoot somebody because you've panicked and jumped the gun and you're in big trouble. Police do not have a blank check to just go around shooting people in the head, even if they're holding a black box. I don't see those cops in London who shot that Brazillian guy getting any medals.