In a non-regulatory environment (under which PV's / juice currently fall), manufacturing and QC standards are set by the manufacturer. If they don't want to test any batches, they don't have to. Just because it's American made doesn't mean it's any better quality than something manufactured in China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.. You (usually) get what you pay for. Unfortunately, that is the actual reality.
wow... a provari copy made by smoktech?
- Thread starter basementcat
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
In a non-regulatory environment (under which PV's / juice currently fall), manufacturing and QC standards are set by the manufacturer. If they don't want to test any batches, they don't have to. Just because it's American made doesn't mean it's any better quality than something manufactured in China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.. You (usually) get what you pay for. Unfortunately, that is the actual reality.
1.25 ohms at 6v is 28.8w. In a 7.4v stack this is 3.9a at 100% efficiency (not realizable, since the buck reg has some loss in converting to 6v). Net, the draw would be at least 4a. This is inconsistent with a 3.2 or 3.5amp switch.
Maybe just a typo on the switch rating. Then the supposition is that they have a very high efficiency, 30w output rating, compact, low cost, regulator. That is a stretch.
Alternately they might be outputting lower voltage, using a 15w or so regulator, which does have decent availability.
Need an independent check of what the unit is doing.
Maybe just a typo on the switch rating. Then the supposition is that they have a very high efficiency, 30w output rating, compact, low cost, regulator. That is a stretch.
Alternately they might be outputting lower voltage, using a 15w or so regulator, which does have decent availability.
Need an independent check of what the unit is doing.
Stone ages? Not really. Before the Chinese started rolling out their knock off's of everything we had a thriving manufaturing base in The U.S. Mega corps like Walmart who says they started their megapolis in Arkansas but I'm thinking Bejing began the downfall of clothing,kitchen gadgets, etc...manufacturing in the U.S. We have no one to blame but ourselves for buying this crap.So far they have poisoned our pets with tainted feed and almost poisoned our children with lead based paint.I don't know Dave personally.I do know what kind of product he makes. He wears that "Made in the U.S.A." proudly so I'm standing with him and his product. I know what's "under the hood" with a Provari.I know it's all good.So Dave how bout a date for those green LED's??
Let me 1st start off by saying I LOVE MY PROVARI !! And will ALWAYS have and use it till it just wont fire anymore. I have the V1 & V2(blue led) both standard size with AW IMR 2000maH 18650's inside ONLY. I've had the Darwin,well for a week anyway. I sold it 5 days after getting it in flawless condition for $90 bucks less than I paid for it for 2 reasons, it just didn't impress me really,I honestly could NOT justify the high price for what I got for it. Well made,yes...sturdy feel,yes...crappy connection setup,absolutely. Secondly, it just didn't perform the way I was hoping with ALL the hipe that surrounded it. Let me add because of my background I can find flaws in ANYTHING,its just how Im wired and programmed. But having both units at my disposal,sorry but me personally,I'll take my "vari". Being a IT grad with a electrical engineering degree Ive seen the inside of A LOT of our technology we all use day to day. And let me reiterate, I LOVE MY PROVARI" ! While the "vari" was made(or assembled) in the USA keep in mind that 85% of whats inside is probably China made chip-sets and parts. Now being my career choice is what it is, all the laptops, PC's, cell phones, PDA's, pads,etc... most of what I've seen and repaired have China parts inside running them. From my experience,China makes some of the best chip-sets in the world. The Panasonic battery cell is the best money can buy. Sanyos aren't too bad either. If I'm not mistaken,the AW batteries we all love and use have Panasonic Lithium Ion cells inside. I'm a born and bred American and proud to be,but I also believe in giving credit where its due. I've had 14 cars so far,domestic and foreign,I have to be honest and say, the best cars I've owned and personally worked on were absolutely imports. Sorry but it is my 'opinion' . But I will ALWAYS LOVE the American classics. Provari so far to me is hands down the best device out there for the money for sure. And I have to say now that I have this VMAX, its definitely a contender. I really like it so far,it's a true powerhouse,and all the tests I've ran it thru so far are showing its got plenty of very accurate power and PLENTY to spare. And even more safety features to keep it safe and stable. I'm impressed. I know this post may erk a few people but it was not my intention at all,just wanted to give you guys a different perspective on the matter from someone who deals with the internals of all the gadgets we use day to day and some of us couldn't live or function without. Take care everyone and love the PV you do have,but appreciate the PV everyone else might have. Were all here for the same ending goal.....to live. 
Last edited:
My personal bottom line and opinion...
I'm stickin with the Provari.It's made in the U.S. I know who's baby it was to begin with.The product is flawless.I can send him e-mails and he answers them and even answers them in english.So far the knock off provari seller can't get the finish right on the knock off.Kinda makes you wonder what's on the inside.
I could buy a new Provari once a month for what I used to spend on analogs in a months time.
2 packs $5.00 each at $10.00 a day for 30 days = $300.00.I can get quite the Provari set up for $300.00 I could even buy the gold one.
I'm stickin with the Provari.It's made in the U.S. I know who's baby it was to begin with.The product is flawless.I can send him e-mails and he answers them and even answers them in english.So far the knock off provari seller can't get the finish right on the knock off.Kinda makes you wonder what's on the inside.
I could buy a new Provari once a month for what I used to spend on analogs in a months time.
2 packs $5.00 each at $10.00 a day for 30 days = $300.00.I can get quite the Provari set up for $300.00 I could even buy the gold one.
Its anything but US supremacy, something doesn't have to be made in the US to be made with quality, its a everybody other than China supremacy. Take batteries, AWs are fine batts, but are made in China, I prefer Panasonic batteries, and one of the biggest reasons is that they are made in Japan. Its not that you can't get crap in the US, or get good stuff from China, but the difference is found in the after sale comfort. In the US, I can speak with the designer, the manufacturer, not just the retailer. With China, if you get some junk, you can speak with a US retailer, that's about it. I think we can all agree, China serves a purpose, but that purpose is limited.
I don't doubt any of what you say, I understand, they are different beasts, seems like a Buzz Pro internals, wrapped in a cheap looking Provari exterior.
That said, I don't think it will give the Provari, or the Darwin, or even the Buzz, much competition, only because once a bunch of people get them, just like with the Lavatube, design flaws, and limitations will be exposed. The LT may have been the best thing to ever happen to Provape, and I've got a feeling this will be the same way.
That said, I don't think it will give the Provari, or the Darwin, or even the Buzz, much competition, only because once a bunch of people get them, just like with the Lavatube, design flaws, and limitations will be exposed. The LT may have been the best thing to ever happen to Provape, and I've got a feeling this will be the same way.
[/QUOTE]
See, this makes me question your judgement a bit. You lost $90 for five-day's usage because you couldn't justify the price? That makes no sense at all.
You do realize Darwins are quite hard to come by, and sell in the classifieds for very close to retail?
The Darwin has been thoroughly tested in a great many videos and reviews. It performs exactly as it should, has an accurate resistance meter built-in, and is the only currently available variable wattage device on the market. Perhaps a bit more research before purchase would have been prudent given the price of the unit.
You are promoting this opinion in a great many threads, and while that's certainly your right, without showing any empirical evidence, it remains your opinion. I'll reserve mine until thorough reviews are available using standard testing methods, not hyperbole like "powerhouse". If you are able to provide more than that, I'd be happy to see it.
It doesn't "erk" (I believe you meant to use the word "irk") me at all -- I'm all for competition -- but until we have a bit more than sweeping statements, I don't believe we are any better-informed than we were by the announced specs.
This thread is kind of like saying "Look at the new Dodge Dart" in the Ford Focus forum. If you've got or want a Provari, this is only going to get you riled up a little.
Maybe this thread should be moved to a neutral setting.
By the way, have you seen the new Dodge Dart? I've got a '66 convertible in my garage with an American made smallblock and pretty much mechanical - no Chinese electronics whatsoever, solid state transistor radio to boot! (rushes out to check the label on the ballast resistor)
View attachment 92209
Maybe this thread should be moved to a neutral setting.
By the way, have you seen the new Dodge Dart? I've got a '66 convertible in my garage with an American made smallblock and pretty much mechanical - no Chinese electronics whatsoever, solid state transistor radio to boot! (rushes out to check the label on the ballast resistor)
View attachment 92209
Last edited:
To explain a little better the $90 dollar loss for 5 days use as you put it. I sold it to a VERY close friend of mine. I dont really care how exclusive or hard to come by they are. I didnt feel right charging a close friend retail price when I didnt think it was worth it. I would rather lose $90 bucks than a 15 year friendship over a disappointed friend about a PV that he might end up feeling the same way about it that I do.....stranger things have happened...right?.....Right. As far as the posts Im putting out there about this subject. In every single post I try to make sure and state that " This is my OPINION" I hope this helps clear any miscommunication up. Thanks everyone,take care.
Let me 1st start off by saying I LOVE MY PROVARI !! And will ALWAYS have and use it till it just wont fire anymore. I have the V1 & V2(blue led) both standard size with AW IMR 2000maH 18650's inside ONLY. I've had the Darwin,well for a week anyway. I sold it 5 days after getting it in flawless condition for $90 bucks less than I paid for it for 2 reasons, it just didn't impress me really,I honestly could NOT justify the high price for what I got for it. Well made,yes...sturdy feel,yes...crappy connection setup,absolutely. Secondly, it just didn't perform the way I was hoping with ALL the hipe that surrounded it. Let me add because of my background I can find flaws in ANYTHING,its just how Im wired and programmed. But having both units at my disposal,sorry but me personally,I'll take my "vari". Being a IT grad with a electrical engineering degree Ive seen the inside of A LOT of our technology we all use day to day. And let me reiterate, I LOVE MY PROVARI" ! While the "vari" was made(or assembled) in the USA keep in mind that 85% of whats inside is probably China made chip-sets and parts. Now being my career choice is what it is, all the laptops, PC's, cell phones, PDA's, pads,etc... most of what I've seen and repaired have China parts inside running them. From my experience,China makes some of the best chip-sets in the world. The Panasonic battery cell is the best money can buy. Sanyos aren't too bad either. If I'm not mistaken,the AW batteries we all love and use have Panasonic Lithium Ion cells inside. I'm a born and bred American and proud to be,but I also believe in giving credit where its due. I've had 14 cars so far,domestic and foreign,I have to be honest and say, the best cars I've owned and personally worked on were absolutely imports. Sorry but it is my 'opinion' . But I will ALWAYS LOVE the American classics. Provari so far to me is hands down the best device out there for the money for sure. And I have to say now that I have this VMAX, its definitely a contender. I really like it so far,it's a true powerhouse,and all the tests I've ran it thru so far are showing its got plenty of very accurate power and PLENTY to spare. And even more safety features to keep it safe and stable. I'm impressed. I know this post may erk a few people but it was not my intention at all,just wanted to give you guys a different perspective on the matter from someone who deals with the internals of all the gadgets we use day to day and some of us couldn't live or function without. Take care everyone and love the PV you do have,but appreciate the PV everyone else might have. Were all here for the same ending goal.....to live.
China has there fair share of decently made products however electronic components is not one of them . I think your referring to Japanese not china. Japan has excellent chip set/ electronic components and is right up there with the US electronic components . They are also right up there in price with them. Theres a huge difference between Chinese and Japanese. Same thing with cars . THe imports your referring to are all Japanese not Chinese . Nissan,Honda,Toyota,Infiniti all japan not china. I will agree with you that Japanese cars are better then US cars however Chinese cars no. Chinese car manufacturer are like KYD ,GAC Geely,Chery,Zoyte,CBA and lots of pirated copy cars. Not what you think of when you think of US import models
Also if you take apart a Provari you gladly find it to be a US made chip
Bigger companies do outsource stuff to china but small US companies like Provape dont do that.
Last edited:
John...Unfortunately as far as I know its not for sale in the US just yet. I have the only chrome one even made that was sent to me from a person at Smoktech to take thru the ringer and put on my bench thru all my testing equipment. I can tell you that you will probably see them pop up here and there with a few vendors very soon. Im thinking within a month,maybe less. As soon as I get the date of the 1st shipment out and where its going I can PM you if you like. As far as the WOO goes I've heard nothing but..."that thing kicks ...." from many vendors and people who bought it. But I dont have 1 myself so I cant say for sure,but if 40 people say it walks like a duck,looks like a duck & quacks like a duck...it's probably a darn duck !
Take care John, and everyone else. .......J
I know you like your ProVari, and I will like mine too when I get it. But I think the VMax deserves quite a bit of respect too, from what I've seen so far. Same goes for the OP.
Last edited:
From what you've seen of it? Where? All I've seen is hype, just like the LT, once it was fully rolled out it wasn't the greatest device ever made anymore.
I still wonder about all those people who hyped the LT, where are they now?
I still wonder about all those people who hyped the LT, where are they now?
I think it's hard to say that it deserves respect (considering the device is a chinese provari clone and this IS the provape forum), but also since aside from the reports of one user, there isn't any sort of info on how the device actually performs/feels/functions. It seems to me that there's just not enough information out there to say that the smok VV is worthy of respect. We only have the reports of one guy out there who has the device, but once the vendors start shipping I'm sure there will be more opinions and reviews than you can shake a stick at. I'd be interested to see the results of the testing mentioned by VAPNJ350, and to learn more about his testing equipment and methodologies.
Here's an idea; how about you please calm down, and climb back outta my face?
I am not obligated to document the numerous sources of information about this device on which I've based my opinion of it, and I have never said that it's "the greatest device ever made".
And I don't think that whether or not the device deserves respect should be dependent on the forum we're discussing it in. To me, that smacks of blatant bias and a glaring lack of objectivity.
As for "there isn't any sort of info on how the device actually performs/feels/functions"; first, I have no reason to mistrust what VAP says, and there is at least one YouTube video of the device in action:
Smoktech VMax Vorstellung | Vaping Paradise - YouTube
I've read the German translation; and I was struck by the reviewer's reaction between 1:35 - 1:45, where he appears to practically have an orgasm after taking a hit. Did he fake it? Hard to say.
Other than the above, I stand by my previous comments on the subject.
Last edited:
Wow... never expected this amount of debate. I was just saying it looked mighty similiar....
This makes me laugh, you want me to calm down, but you want me to "climb back outta" you face.....you realize this is the internet, there is no one in anyone's face here, and it says much about your personality that this is your reaction to being asked for proof.
If you don't want to be held accountable for the statements you make, then don't make them, you obligated yourself to produce what you spoke of the moment you entered a debate and made verifiable statements, next time you can't back up the words you type with facts, then type different words.
Lastly, I never said you or anyone else ever said that the VMAX is the greatest device ever, what I said was many said that about the Lavatube, read much?
Oh and i can prove that.
I just watched the video. It makes me sick to think that a knock off of the original Provari is circulating around the world.
Imagine (if you can) making a fabulous product only to have someone rip it off and sell it globally. Too bad Dave isn't Disney.They have a gaggle of lawyers ready to snap the head off of any infringer and that includes China.if they can't get China they go after the retailer.Maybe Dave should do that.You can't sell a patented item in your store if you are not licensed to sell it.How do I know? I sell online and about once a month Disney peruses the venue (not eBay) if they find anything.The venue is notified and the shop selling it has to take it off the shelf.The seller is at their own peril if they refuse. Disney DOES prosecute. So there is a way for Dave to get retribution if he chooses.I think he'll wait until they come out and laugh his adoubles off myself.
Also this is a Provape thread. It's not the United States of Provape thread. There is no right to free speech here. and it is disrespectful to invade a sellers space and knock his product. You can start any thread you want in general discussion. To act like Dave has to put up with you degrading his product in his own thread is ludicrous.
Imagine (if you can) making a fabulous product only to have someone rip it off and sell it globally. Too bad Dave isn't Disney.They have a gaggle of lawyers ready to snap the head off of any infringer and that includes China.if they can't get China they go after the retailer.Maybe Dave should do that.You can't sell a patented item in your store if you are not licensed to sell it.How do I know? I sell online and about once a month Disney peruses the venue (not eBay) if they find anything.The venue is notified and the shop selling it has to take it off the shelf.The seller is at their own peril if they refuse. Disney DOES prosecute. So there is a way for Dave to get retribution if he chooses.I think he'll wait until they come out and laugh his adoubles off myself.
Also this is a Provape thread. It's not the United States of Provape thread. There is no right to free speech here. and it is disrespectful to invade a sellers space and knock his product. You can start any thread you want in general discussion. To act like Dave has to put up with you degrading his product in his own thread is ludicrous.
- Status
