1 of the biggest conflict between fellow vapors

[Bassnorma]

Perhaps you missed the "with respect" part of my post. Lots of middle ground there.



Am already.



I think we agree. But them saying 'don't vape indoors' or 'don't vape where smoking is prohibited' are adopting an ANTZ stance.

I gotcha Jman....thanks for clarifying!

 

[Bassnorma]

Bassnorma I think you just combined the flatulence practice of "squeezing one out" and "stealth vaping" so to speak.
I shall from now own call my flatulence that carries no tune "stealth farts"

Literally LMAO.....cool story bro....lol

Well not LITERALLY...actually...I still have an A and it is well suited for stealth erm...flatulence under the right gastronomic conditions...even though women do not actually pass wind...that's a little known fact BTW.

 

[Sirius]

I choose to be somewhat of a discreet vaper. Like today, I took my son to the park, people were smoking and I definitely wanted to hit the vape a few times, but I didn't. There's a time and place for everything. I vape in the car, at work in the warehouse, at the house, but I don't do it while I'm grocery shopping just because I can.

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When I first started vaping I would carry around a 18350 tube for stealth vaping whenever I HAD to take a vape. I don't HAVE to vape anytime now I just enjoy it.

 

[Sirius]

Literally LMAO.....cool story bro....lol

Well not LITERALLY...actually...I still have an A and it is well suited for stealth erm...flatulence under the right gastronomic conditions...even though women do not actually pass wind...that's a little known fact BTW.

Hehe..yeah talk about stealth bombing..lmao

I noticed long ago that women can't keep a secrete unless you whisper it into their butts..lmao

 

[Bassnorma]

Hehe..yeah talk about stealth bombing..lmao

I noticed long ago that women can't keep a secrete unless you whisper it into their butts..lmao

ummm ok

You may be right....someone told my .... that people lie on the interwebzzzz...can you imagine?

 

[beckdg]

ummm ok

You may be right....someone told my .... that people lie on the interwebzzzz...can you imagine?

Say it isn't so! Bonjour

 

[Bassnorma]

Say it isn't so! Bonjour

oui , il est true..people ne pas dire la vérité sur l'Internet

ja, es ist true..people nicht die Wahrheit zu sagen über das Internet

sì, è true..people non dire la verità su Internet

Hai, soreha, intānetto-jō no shinjitsu o oshiete inai tsurū.. Peopledesu

da eto true..people ne skazat' pravdu v Internete

I love google translate!!! I probably just said people on the internet all wear striped blue socks though....

 

[Anjaffm]

To tell you the truth I'm a bit conflicted , on 1 hand acting the same way as I had when I smoked does make others believe it's like smoking but on the other hand vaping into people's faces will make them hate vaping and not see it as an alternative to smoking.

Wrong premise.
So you say: A person can either treat vaping like smoking - or vape in people's faces.

Aha.
So a person can either
- hide away when eating a sandwich - or chew loudly and belch in people's faces
- hide away when drinking a cup of coffee - or slurp loudly and belch in people's faces
- hide away when drinking a glass of beer - or get roaring drunk and hit people in the face

Aha.

I personally vape respectfully and with common sense. The way I eat food, drink coffee, drink beer.
And I most certainly hope that you do not have a problem with people who have found a third way. Instead of sticking to your incorrect premise.
Have a nice day.

 

[beckdg]

Ummm...

Looks like Google translate can't figure out what it's trying to say.

 

[Anjaffm]

I'm one of those people who was fortunate enough to live thru more civilized times when you could smoke in the mall, in restaurants, in the office, on airplanes... Those places were taken away from us by hysterical whiners who spread lies and misinformation about SHS. At the same time we've been demonized, insulted, and disrespected and now we're expected to pretend that's ok and accept our own marginalization as "courtesy" to the same hysterical whiners that caused it. Absurd!

absolutely

 

[Bassnorma]

I wish that back when...in aught 9 when I started vaping that someone had had the foresight to not call our devices "e-cigarettes". Nothing about this is cigarette like except the cigalikes...which LOOK like cigs.

I am afraid we are now too closely associated with smoking by our own nomenclature.

And despite how graceful or how militant our viewpoints, it is hard to break that association...

 

[wheelie]

I don't care how or where people vape. No matter what happens I will carry on doing what I am doing. Was in a meeting for 3 days with 45 other people and not one figured out I was vaping constantly for the three days. Maybe I will right a book of all the places I vaped someday. LOL Stealth vaping will continue on in my life no matter what laws or bans they want to make.

 

[rzil]

Before I knew what vaping was, I walked out into the main office to find an employee sitting at his desk with a cloud of smoke over his head and what looked like a small crack pipe in his hand. I thought he had lost his mind. Before I opened my mouth he quickly told me it was vapor and that I couldn't stop him from doing it, while 3 other (non-smoking) employees looked on, mortified.

We have since come to a compromise, but as with anything, there are people who will go out of their way to prove a point.

Smokers are so tired of being discriminated against, they are just trying to reclaim their right to consume nicotine. And it is their right. Until such a time it's illegal. I get that.

As a smoker, and now a vaper, I am always considerate of those around me. I don't go out of my way to piss people off. Though, I recall sitting off in a secluded area of a vacation resort, smoking a cigarette and enjoying a mojito when a mother went 50 feet out of her way to parade her 2 children right in front of my table, then went to complain to hotel management I was polluting her childrens' air. Sometimes you just can't win.

I agree , I just feel uncomfortable treating it as something that doesn't affect others , when I first started vaping 1 of my colleague told me "you don't have to go outside , I don't mind you vaping next to me" but I declined even though she didn't mind .

besides , I don't want the other co-workers to bug me with questions

 

[Auntie Mame]

Like many here, if I am unsure, I don't vape. What I will NOT do is restrict myself to a designated smoking area. I have been smoke free long enough to recognize how awful that smoke smells. No thank you. I'll walk farther away, I'll go out in parking lot but I will not hang out with the smokers.

 

[Jman8]

I wish that back when...in aught 9 when I started vaping that someone had had the foresight to not call our devices "e-cigarettes". Nothing about this is cigarette like except the cigalikes...which LOOK like cigs.

I am afraid we are now too closely associated with smoking by our own nomenclature.

And despite how graceful or how militant our viewpoints, it is hard to break that association...

Agree with what you are saying, and I am one that uses a cigalike. My device probably looks nothing like your device, and I'm fairly certain most humans would not confuse my device with a combustible.

I wish we, as a community, would aggressively attack ANTZ on the smoking front. Put them on the defensive. At first, I imagine they'd react like most here would react, as if it is laughable to attack all the 'facts' we know about smoking. But anyone that digs deeper into those alleged facts realizes they stand up just slightly better than the ANTZ 'facts' around vaping. So, I say we attack that front aggressively, while in the process we have them admitting differences between combustibles and eCigs, hopefully realizing/admitting to the differences between cigalikes and other vaping devices. And then hold them to that. But as long as ANTZ need something to actively hate on, and show no signs of letting up, then I say we take their issue #1 and throw it in their faces and challenge them all day and night to back up their claims. Most of which, I'm fairly certain they cannot back up.

 

[skoony]

you know this whole it looks like thing really is what gets my undies in a bunch.

how about the next time we go to a crowded restaurant we request that any one who is taking any medication
to not breath heavily or better yet go outside as we don't want any of their medications to contaminate our
bodies. remind them just because we can't see it doesn't mean its not there.
someone next to you may be taking Chantax.

mike

 

[Bassnorma]

Agree with what you are saying, and I am one that uses a cigalike. My device probably looks nothing like your device, and I'm fairly certain most humans would not confuse my device with a combustible.

I wish we, as a community, would aggressively attack ANTZ on the smoking front. Put them on the defensive. At first, I imagine they'd react like most here would react, as if it is laughable to attack all the 'facts' we know about smoking. But anyone that digs deeper into those alleged facts realizes they stand up just slightly better than the ANTZ 'facts' around vaping. So, I say we attack that front aggressively, while in the process we have them admitting differences between combustibles and eCigs, hopefully realizing/admitting to the differences between cigalikes and other vaping devices. And then hold them to that. But as long as ANTZ need something to actively hate on, and show no signs of letting up, then I say we take their issue #1 and throw it in their faces and challenge them all day and night to back up their claims. Most of which, I'm fairly certain they cannot back up.

I get that. I am a Casaa member and respond when asked. Outside of that I have no time to attack anything. I consider that my contribution to the vaping community is to help new people vape in a safe and satisfying manner. So I answer as many questions and try to help as many people as I can.

If I get called upon to protest or write a letter, I will.

The ANTZ are not on this forum though and if they creep in, we step on them. I see no point in being militant on a friendly forum. I am fairly certain that Casaa is all up in their grill over their ridiculous assumptions. There is another group of vapers who are getting into the battle with casaa...We Are The Vaping Militia

As to vaping anywhere I want just to get in the face of the ANTZ? Most people don't even know what vaping is, let alone being card carrying ANTZ members. I feel that one catches more flies with honey and that creating good will among other humans is the best way to get them to support you.

If you treat everyone as a potential enemy it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you treat everyone as a friend, that will be too. I prefer the latter.

To each his or her own. Do as thou wilt.

I am simply not a militant person and never will be. I prefer diplomacy and when needed well-timed laser precise strikes.

 

[bluecat]

I want people to respect me in the same way that I respect them. I do not vape in indoor public places. I would expect the same from others with similar things. I just wish that women and summer baseball game realize they do not need to wear a gallon of perfume and sit in front of me when it is 95 degrees out in full sun.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Yesterday I was in Richardson, TX at the Cottonwood Art Festival. Literally thousands of people attending the outdoor event and while it took me about three hours to make the rounds along with a few purchases I noticed that no one was smoking a cigarette, no cigarette butts on the grounds, no one picking up butts and only one vaper which was me.

No one seemed to noticed I was vaping using my VTR. Not that I cared and I wasn't actually looking, either to see if anyone was looking, scowling or for any reaction at all.

In my mind, that's the way vaping ought to be.

 

[Jman8]

As to vaping anywhere I want just to get in the face of the ANTZ? Most people don't even know what vaping is, let alone being card carrying ANTZ members. I feel that one catches more flies with honey and that creating good will among other humans is the best way to get them to support you.

If you treat everyone as a potential enemy it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you treat everyone as a friend, that will be too. I prefer the latter.

To each his or her own. Do as thou wilt.

I am simply not a militant person and never will be. I prefer diplomacy and when needed well-timed laser precise strikes.

Your words on this thread show up to me as slightly aggressive, and work of CASAA is routinely counter aggressive to them who wish to control vaping.

Hard to treat those as friends who absolutely loathe a life choice you have made and are brazen enough to partake in public campaigns to rid the world of users / products. So, you choose to reason with them, and learn they cannot play well on even playing field, resorting to deception and appeals to emotion every chance they are backed into a corner.

If I vape indoors in any place and am a good 20 feet from nearest human, then the "live and let live" philosophy ought to be #1 principle for all involved. If that ceases because the guiding principle is instead, "those things are bad, and how dare you do that in my presence," then a new discussion will emerge. Fortunately, I am yet to encounter that in any public situation where I've vaped, but here on ECF, the counter position to "vape everywhere with respect" makes it appear, often, like that public sentiment is pervasive and ought to be respected by never ever vaping indoors and in public.