1 of the biggest conflict between fellow vapors

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Sirius

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Before I knew what vaping was, I walked out into the main office to find an employee sitting at his desk with a cloud of smoke over his head and what looked like a small crack pipe in his hand. I thought he had lost his mind. Before I opened my mouth he quickly told me it was vapor and that I couldn't stop him from doing it, while 3 other (non-smoking) employees looked on, mortified.

We have since come to a compromise, but as with anything, there are people who will go out of their way to prove a point.

Smokers are so tired of being discriminated against, they are just trying to reclaim their right to consume nicotine. And it is their right. Until such a time it's illegal. I get that.

As a smoker, and now a vaper, I am always considerate of those around me. I don't go out of my way to piss people off. Though, I recall sitting off in a secluded area of a vacation resort, smoking a cigarette and enjoying a mojito when a mother went 50 feet out of her way to parade her 2 children right in front of my table, then went to complain to hotel management I was poluting her childrens' air. Sometimes you just can't win.

Yes Diva unfortunately the world is full of buttholes and I run across them every day. The bad drivers that do stupid stuff then give me the finger because in their stupidity they think it's my fault because they failed to know who had the legal right of way and almost crashed into me. lol
You can't fix stupid. I just can't see the point of some that go out of their way to be stupid buttholes. I recon the world must need them in it but for what purpose I fail to understand. ;)
 

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this year in Minnesota the government tabled the regs for adding e-cigs
to the clean indoor act. i'm sure it will come up again next year.
what they don't realize is the unintended consequences.
most if not all business's and public sector employers have
already made their own policies concerning there use.
most bars allow it if discretion is used.bar/eateries is a mixed bag.
some will allow it only in the bar section,some not at all.
other retail establishments its the same as the smoking policy.

of course that won't stop the government from sticking their
noses in it anyway.they could do something sensible like
like require employers to make their own policy but,
more likely will enact the same draconian measures put
on the smokers. its the chillin' you see.

as far as out doors any where is fine with the exception of crowded
venue's. then one should use some common sense.
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vaping in public is a personal thing. How do you want to be seen and why? Why is the big question. I Vape in Home Depot and Lowes. No food. Not in restaurants or Walmart. Offends too many people with kids. I understand. Keep the little ones from being tempted. But when do Vape in public I get a lot of favorable attention


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I just try to be respectful of others - Usually that means just gauging my environment and deciding whether or not I will vape in public. A lot of people just don't know the difference - between vaping and smoking. So I choose to vape indoors based on where I am and who is around me. If I feel like it may make people upset or uncomfortable, I just go outside for a little while. Keeps things simple and everyone happy.

Edit: I didn't start vaping so that I could do it indoors where smoking is forbidden. I started to help me get off tobacco!
 

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I'm beginning to see more people vaping in restaurants. I'll stealth vape if I'm not in anyone else's space. When I do I turn down the voltage to about 3.4v and take a long hit, then blow it down. It disappears under the table. My wife would rather I didn't, but it's not obnoxious by any means.

I've never met other vapers when I didn't vape in public. They see me and walk by the table to say hi and show their mod. I've also had a pretty large number of times when people stopped by the table to say they saw my electronic cigarette. I'm sure they are going to insult me, but they always start asking questions and inevitably they are looking for information to pass on to a family member who just won't quit smoking. I carry some vendor cards and pass them out. It's all good unless some ANTZ type decides to make a scene. So far, that hasn't happened.

I'm one who thinks that unobtrusive vaping isn't such a big deal. It's one way for people to see how it works and get some info for themselves from an actual vaper.
 

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What ever happened to live and let live?:confused:

I believe it went the way of the buggy whip when the pinkos discovered there was power to be gained by dividing the citizenry. Unfortunately due to ignorance, down right stupidity and foam finger waving sports style politics it has proven to be effective.

Also the likes of Dan Rather proactively creating news stories and the followers either thinking the ends justify the means, or are just too lazy to become informed have been overloading the sinking ship.
 

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I think vaping is like any other behavior one can legally do in public. It all boils down to your level of consideration for others, politeness, manners and class.

For example, cell phones. I am old enough to remember when they did not exist. I am also in IT. I think it is highly inconsiderate to be on your bluetooth while trying to conduct some other transaction...like, in the drive through, at the bank teller, checking into a hotel room, etc. It seems rude to make your priority conversation the cell phone when you are transacting business. It is dismissive of the person who is trying to provide you with service and the people behind you wonder how long you are going to take because you are not fully paying attention to what's going on....Cell phones in restaurants are another huge pet peeve of mine....But I digress.

People do not understand vaping and what they do understand of it is fed to them from alarmist media. I don't see any point in upsetting people. If I want to vape around someone in a public place, I ask them if it would bother them if I vape. Guess what? Most of the time the first question is "...mind if you what?" This opens up a very cool dialogue about vaping vs. smoking. I get an opportunity to educate them with non-alarmist first hand information.

I vape at work (although now I work from home). When I was in a cubicle everyday, all of my cube neighbors got a quick education on vaping and they all supported it. I just blew my little clouds under my overhead compartment and no one was upset.

When I drive people in my car, I ask them if they mind if I vape and drive. I have never heard a "Yes, I do mind."

While I think most of us vapers know that it is completely safe and we should be able to do it everywhere we like; I still think that consideration and common sense goes a long way.

People do rude things all of the time in public like cutting in line, not holding doors for others, not speaking when spoken to, etc.etc.etc. Vaping is not rude but it can be perceived that way due to misinformation.

I try to use common sense and the good manners I was taught as a child.

I usually do not vape where I could otherwise not smoke. Although it would be nice for this to be fully accepted in bars because a nice vape goes well with a beer and some friends...:D I also see how Bartenders should not have the extra job of figuring out whether a person is vaping or smoking.

The bottom line is that if you are polite and considerate of the personal space of others, I have found vaping to be well accepted. Asking someone is not for permission but to show that you are considering their presence and granting them respect. It really does go along way to creating good will for yourself and good PR for vaping overall.
 

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I'm one of those people who was fortunate enough to live thru more civilized times when you could smoke in the mall, in restaurants, in the office, on airplanes... Those places were taken away from us by hysterical whiners who spread lies and misinformation about SHS. At the same time we've been demonized, insulted, and disrespected and now we're expected to pretend that's ok and accept our own marginalization as "courtesy" to the same hysterical whiners that caused it. Absurd!
 

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I'm one of those people who was fortunate enough to live thru more civilized times when you could smoke in the mall, in restaurants, in the office, on airplanes... Those places were taken away from us by hysterical whiners who spread lies and misinformation about SHS. At the same time we've been demonized, insulted, and disrespected and now we're expected to pretend that's ok and accept our own marginalization as "courtesy" to the same hysterical whiners that caused it. Absurd!

Yeah, I have smoked on planes and just about everywhere...but that was then and this is now...I feel you on the demonizing...there are some people who would not be happy even if you handed them a winning lottery ticket. I find them in the minority though in terms of vaping.

You can fart in public too...but should you? No, I am not equating vaping and passing gas. I am equating things you can legally do but are still not totally acceptable to do in public. LOL I guess it is all up to whether you choose to get along with people despite their sensitivities, foibles and criticisms or if you have to be right about them being wrong...

This might just turn philosophical...if a vaper vapes in the elevator does the next negative Nelly smell it? LOL ;)

I think everyone has a pet peeve about something other humans do. Personally, I choose to take the avoid conflict approach because I don't want to waste my life angry at the tolerance level or the rudeness of others.
 
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I choose to be somewhat of a discreet vaper. Like today, I took my son to the park, people were smoking and I definitely wanted to hit the vape a few times, but I didn't. There's a time and place for everything. I vape in the car, at work in the warehouse, at the house, but I don't do it while I'm grocery shopping just because I can.

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Respect for others is not really something I see happening in my neighborhood. At least not since the shooting.

That sux....it takes a community a good while to get over tragedies and injustices. Attitudes tend to be contagious as far as I have observed in life. Good will has to start somewhere or there will never be any...
 

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I vape everywhere, includes indoors of course, with respect. I advocate for this. And I enjoy discussions that take the counter position (or ANTZ stance) on this topic.

So middle ground doesn't exist in your mind? BTW...if you are tossing around ANTZ stance you might want to become a CASAA member. That is if you are not already.

IMO, there is a huge gap between being respectful of people's personal space (for all things, not just vaping) and being an ANTZ advocate.
 

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For me it is what is appropriate at the current time and situation. If I am at the baggage claim area at Vaclav Havel airport waiting for my suitcase after an 8.5 hour flight, of course I am going to whip out a mod and have a vape. If I am at the baggage claim at JFK after a 8.5 hour flight, I go to the restroom for a vape while waiting for my suitcase. The authorities at Vaclav Havel airport don't blink twice when they see someone vaping; I don't want to get arrested in New York...
 

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So middle ground doesn't exist in your mind?

Perhaps you missed the "with respect" part of my post. Lots of middle ground there.

BTW...if you are tossing around ANTZ stance you might want to become a CASAA member. That is if you are not already.

Am already.

IMO, there is a huge gap between being respectful of people's personal space (for all things, not just vaping) and being an ANTZ advocate.

I think we agree. But them saying 'don't vape indoors' or 'don't vape where smoking is prohibited' are adopting an ANTZ stance.
 

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Yeah, I have smoked on planes and just about everywhere...but that was then and this is now...I feel you on the demonizing...there are some people who would not be happy even if you handed them a winning lottery ticket. I find them in the minority though in terms of vaping.

You can fart in public too...but should you? No, I am not equating vaping and passing gas. I am equating things you can legally do but are still not totally acceptable to do in public. LOL I guess it is all up to whether you choose to get along with people despite their sensitivities, foibles and criticisms or if you have to be right about them being wrong...

This might just turn philosophical...if a vaper vapes in the elevator does the next negative Nelly smell it? LOL ;)

I think everyone has a pet peeve about something other humans do. Personally, I choose to take the avoid conflict approach because I don't want to waste my life angry at the tolerance level or the rudeness of others.

Bassnorma I think you just combined the flatulence practice of "squeezing one out" and "stealth vaping" so to speak.
I shall from now own call my flatulence that carries no tune "stealth farts" :D
 
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