2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!
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I am though, I just read the statements provided several posts earlier.
I don't buy the juice thing at all, if it doesn't work with PG than it wont work that great just because it has some VG in it in my honest opinion or all VG, but we will see, I deal with foreign purchasing all the time as well and have for years. Best bet in my eyes is to wait until we get some reviews on ECF and play it safe, that's my call , I'm welcome to it, and sticking with it, believe me I hope they work great but I'm gonna wait for the reviews.!! If there all there cracked up to be then they wil be availible in two weeks or after the reviews, I have learned about buying the next best thing that comes to market and wont do it anymore, if I miss it than Oh well but ever since I've been vaping I have always been able to get my hands on the best quality PV's, Juice' Carto's, Atty's and everything I want.!!! sounds like the smart move to me, again just my honest opinion and only my opinion
also, I would like to know how many people have purchased from this manufacturer before or even saw there website before this 2nd Gen carto even was announced, chime in I would like to know who has purchased from them.???
I bought them and so have many others and we are waiting for our orders.
this company will either fly or fold very soon when it comes to these e2 cartos.
there will be many of us receiving these in a week or so besides the ones that already tested it. If it turns out that these things suck like v4l mentioned and mick then no one will order form them.
I find it odd that they still push the e2 in thier responce and still claim they work well and are fine. Once you start telling customers you have to use a certain juice then something is wrong there, i understand some juices dont wick well but mostly all juices work on the older cartomizers so that means the e2 has a design flaw if it cant work properly with many types of juices.
I do hope they work, ill know soon, maybe they will keep adjusting these e2 cartos and let us know but if thats the case why continue to sell them. I know its all about the money, but if they suck and v4l has turned them down then why continue to sell them to us if they arent that good, its not going to help them any when in a week 20 of us will test them and review them and if they suck the reviews wont be good and we wont be buying any more form them and others will back away as well.
so this is really confusing me and has ruined my whole month.
this company will either fly or fold very soon when it comes to these e2 cartos.
there will be many of us receiving these in a week or so besides the ones that already tested it. If it turns out that these things suck like v4l mentioned and mick then no one will order form them.
I find it odd that they still push the e2 in thier responce and still claim they work well and are fine. Once you start telling customers you have to use a certain juice then something is wrong there, i understand some juices dont wick well but mostly all juices work on the older cartomizers so that means the e2 has a design flaw if it cant work properly with many types of juices.
I do hope they work, ill know soon, maybe they will keep adjusting these e2 cartos and let us know but if thats the case why continue to sell them. I know its all about the money, but if they suck and v4l has turned them down then why continue to sell them to us if they arent that good, its not going to help them any when in a week 20 of us will test them and review them and if they suck the reviews wont be good and we wont be buying any more form them and others will back away as well.
so this is really confusing me and has ruined my whole month.
They're actually manufactured by MiT Microcig Technolgy.
Right?
edit to add: Yes, I just read on their site that Microcig Technology manufactures it for RoyalSmokers
My confusion is about Dekang liquid. I don't know who all sells the new Dekang PEG in the U.S. other than them. I know Totally WickedUSA in Fla. sells PEG, probably theirs though, but who else?
Right?
edit to add: Yes, I just read on their site that Microcig Technology manufactures it for RoyalSmokers
My confusion is about Dekang liquid. I don't know who all sells the new Dekang PEG in the U.S. other than them. I know Totally WickedUSA in Fla. sells PEG, probably theirs though, but who else?
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what is PEG liquid, never heard of it.
I stopped buying dekang becuase it tastes horrible unless soemone has found good dekang juice, id love to know
I stopped buying dekang becuase it tastes horrible unless soemone has found good dekang juice, id love to know
I started a thread about it in the General E-liquid sub forum close to this forum. I'm interested too. I think the PEG Dekang is new.
badkolo I feel the same way as you, and am in the same boat. I ordered some myself. It wouldn't serve them well to send out a bunch of junk. That adds to the speculation. I was told I'd have tracking last night, in an email, I still don't have it. I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't in stall mode? It'd be in their best interest in the long term to scrap a couple hundred thousand of these if they had a quick fix. Evidently V4L advised them a while back of issues so they may well could have. It's also probably been a little while since they sent the second batch to them. The response from the site has a date of the 10th on it. I'd be curious of anyone has gotten a shipped notice since that date.
We knew going in it was a slight gamble, and that the real test wasn't coming from "Rocky" it was coming from us. It may be fortunate for us that V4L gave them the heads up in advance.
We knew going in it was a slight gamble, and that the real test wasn't coming from "Rocky" it was coming from us. It may be fortunate for us that V4L gave them the heads up in advance.
and i dont mind be a guinea pig, even though i was hoping these things would do the trick, and im not going to make assumptions about v4l, that wouldnt be fair, and i wont make assumptions on this company making or selling the e2 until they are in my hands and fully tested but mick is just a member and he isnt to happy.
you might be right and the ones they are trying out are form an older batch and the reason ours arent shipped yet is due to a redesign of some sort. if thats the case then let them hold my order until they fix it.
but like i said we shall receive them soon and they will be reviewed by you and i and all the others and to be honest it would be in their best interest for these things to work or else this whole forum will be bombarded with nothing but negative reviews and that will kill the e2 before it even starts.
If it works as they say and you need to take a break after so many pulls then so be it, i dont know why someone would need to vape 150 at a time with no break(thats not how we smoke cigarettes) but then we have v4l and one other stating they where burning after a few pulls so i dont know what to believe anymore. im inclined to listen to fellow members and a vendor before i believe a chinese vendor just from experience, i mean what does mick or v4l gain by lying, they are vapors just like us.
you might be right and the ones they are trying out are form an older batch and the reason ours arent shipped yet is due to a redesign of some sort. if thats the case then let them hold my order until they fix it.
but like i said we shall receive them soon and they will be reviewed by you and i and all the others and to be honest it would be in their best interest for these things to work or else this whole forum will be bombarded with nothing but negative reviews and that will kill the e2 before it even starts.
If it works as they say and you need to take a break after so many pulls then so be it, i dont know why someone would need to vape 150 at a time with no break(thats not how we smoke cigarettes) but then we have v4l and one other stating they where burning after a few pulls so i dont know what to believe anymore. im inclined to listen to fellow members and a vendor before i believe a chinese vendor just from experience, i mean what does mick or v4l gain by lying, they are vapors just like us.
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There are a whole lot of possible reasons.
- they may believe in them and think they meet their designed goals.
- they may have made a marketing error thinking that the selling point of being "less bacterial" would far outweigh any performance/use degradation -- might be the very best you can do for a cartomizer with no filler.
In any event they most surely have a very large investment in them. R&D development costs, parts, suppliers, subcontractors, factory tooling, training factory workers, marketing, wearhousing, etc. Remember they were prepared to ship 10 thousand? or more to just V4L and they probably have suppliers already stocked and selling them outside of the US. 100s of thousands maybe already made and more than that in supplies in the pipeline/contracted for the factory(s). I'd say there is a lot of incentive to sell what you have no matter how it turned out or is accepted.
Well that's just it. I'm sure that V4L is holding them to a VERY high standard since they had the exclusive, and rightfully so. Mick's review while honest didn't quite jive, where's the juice going if it's not leaking, or wicking? How are they burning three times the juice of the others? I don't plan on competition fogging with these. I'm sure V4L kept in mind that some people like to produce mad clouds one right ofter another. They are catering to vapers of all kinds, just maybe they'll work for moderate vapers. I don't buy the whole Dekang juice either. I'm sure the cartos don't care what brand you use but may differ according to viscosity. That can be altered with PGA with little affect on taste and added TH in the process.
About all we can do at this point is wait. I've got an email in to them and they've got some explaining to do. How can they now say they are designed for Dekang juice and not to use them at 5V, when it made no mention of that when ordering?
About all we can do at this point is wait. I've got an email in to them and they've got some explaining to do. How can they now say they are designed for Dekang juice and not to use them at 5V, when it made no mention of that when ordering?
They only sell Dekang.
I am he who said don't use them with your 5.1V PT, since there are now 3 point something volt batteries in circulation and they make wire coils that simulate high tension vaping now.
Just because some people wanted to build high tension mods doesn't mean that CE2s will work on them, and it's not Microcig's obligation to ensure that they work on high tension mods.
Cartos don't care what juice you use, but the wick does, and the 3 point something volts and coil can perform differently. Even my fill-up needle cares what kind of juice it is, I have had some that are quite hard to absorb into the syringe, and others that drip wrecklessly!
I am he who said don't use them with your 5.1V PT, since there are now 3 point something volt batteries in circulation and they make wire coils that simulate high tension vaping now.
Just because some people wanted to build high tension mods doesn't mean that CE2s will work on them, and it's not Microcig's obligation to ensure that they work on high tension mods.
Cartos don't care what juice you use, but the wick does, and the 3 point something volts and coil can perform differently. Even my fill-up needle cares what kind of juice it is, I have had some that are quite hard to absorb into the syringe, and others that drip wrecklessly!
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yeah i noticed the inconsistencies with what mick and v4l and this company have said so thats why ill wait to judge them, your right about the juice part, if your going through that much juice then its working right? he never mentioned leaking but like i said we need to test it ourselves.
But then again, why would any vendor turn down the holy grail.
But then again, why would any vendor turn down the holy grail.
Could just be a perception thing? or, I think I use a really different amount of juice when I drip compared to using a cartomizer. With a resevoir and a wick I would expect these to be a lot more like atomizers than cartomizers?
Could just be that the mfg tested with certain juice and figure that could be a significant variable that would effect the performance others are reporting. or it could just be a desparate spin in response to less than stellar reviews.
yea, but I for one, am not going to hassle with experimenting and adjusting various juices I buy to work with that cartomizer. Especially when I am currently using 4 different atomizing elements now (LR's, 510s, 901s, KR808Ds) and will probably continue to do so (at least a couple of different types -- depends on what I'm vaping, where and which PV I'm using)
I can understand not mentioning 5V. That's sort of "out-of-band" usage. Fully agree on the juice thing. Lol, you old enough to remember when they required you use certain brands of oil to maintain your car warranty?
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Yeah I'm that old 
I agree I'm sure all the testing was dome with Dekang. I agree that it'd just me one more hassle to have to thin juice as well, but if I have to make the best out of a bad situation so be it. I'm just thinking that they probably went with a coil similar in resistance to the old cartos, maybe even copied it to a tee, but you make a good point about them not having to disclose that, as the others were designed for 3.7, and I guess that's kinda considered standard.
Oh well, I'm letting it go and hoping for the best, I'll check this thread once in a while for updates and hope for the best. The outcome will be interesting anyway.
I agree I'm sure all the testing was dome with Dekang. I agree that it'd just me one more hassle to have to thin juice as well, but if I have to make the best out of a bad situation so be it. I'm just thinking that they probably went with a coil similar in resistance to the old cartos, maybe even copied it to a tee, but you make a good point about them not having to disclose that, as the others were designed for 3.7, and I guess that's kinda considered standard. Oh well, I'm letting it go and hoping for the best, I'll check this thread once in a while for updates and hope for the best. The outcome will be interesting anyway.
i keep re reading that letter royal smokers wrote. i mean they gaurentte it wont burn or leak and that they work, either these tings work or they are setting them selves up for a disaster. I really dont know whats going on and its killing me deep down inside slowly as i suffer.
you probably believe all vappers in the world come on this forum
does not matter what reviews we put here, they'll still sell them by millions.
Did you know the biggest selling LCD/Plasma brand is a Chinese brand you never heard off ? They only sell in China and they beat LG, Samsung, and Sony put together.
China is also the biggest consumer in mobiles, meat and many others.
They don't care about US market - they probably sell locally 100 times more than all US market will ever need
I agree, and I think all businesses worldwide wouldn't set themselves up for disaster.
Yes, they guarantee that it does not leak or burn, but like they said, use only Dekang or Ecopure, and respect a 5 minute pause.
I wonder if people can post pictures and videos. I'm anxious for lots of supplier-neutral consumer reviews too.
If im to go by expereirnce then like i said i have no reason to doubt you or l4v, and your right they will sell tons if it works properly or not, i was just hoping so so so much that these would be the ONES that solve the issue.
they will say anything to sell their product and it would make no sense for l4v to turn them down if they where working like they should so that has me dissapointed in these e2 carto's. but ill wait to play with mine and continue hoping that someone introduces the pefect cartomizer, im sure someone will dissect the e2's and improve upon them ten fold.
V1john, i have no issues with this 5 minute pause after 150 puffs, excluding the bad reviews and lets say these things work but need a 5 minute pause after 150 back to back puffs like they do it testing, well thats fine by me, i never have nor would i sit there and back to back puff on anything 150 times in a row and to be honest i dont see why anyone else would either but hey thats me.
they will say anything to sell their product and it would make no sense for l4v to turn them down if they where working like they should so that has me dissapointed in these e2 carto's. but ill wait to play with mine and continue hoping that someone introduces the pefect cartomizer, im sure someone will dissect the e2's and improve upon them ten fold.
V1john, i have no issues with this 5 minute pause after 150 puffs, excluding the bad reviews and lets say these things work but need a 5 minute pause after 150 back to back puffs like they do it testing, well thats fine by me, i never have nor would i sit there and back to back puff on anything 150 times in a row and to be honest i dont see why anyone else would either but hey thats me.
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