Also note that these are not even the latest revision to the cartos. The latest revision will have the coil already loosened up to allow faster wicking, even with thicker juices.
2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!
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Also note that these are not even the latest revision to the cartos. The latest revision will have the coil already loosened up to allow faster wicking, even with thicker juices.
It seems there are at least 4 or 5 different revisions.
All (most?) orders seem to be coming from 1 supplier?
The supplier has communicated completely different things to different people in different venues. From "We have never heard any complaints of any problems" and "there are no different versions" to "orders shipped after a certain day will be 3rd version with all issues resolved".
Apparently people are receiving different revisions of the product packaged within the same order.
Some other suppliers declined to carry the product (quite some time ago before all these revisions).
I'm not sure if it was the mfg or the supplier that said the whole objective of this product is it's anti-bacterial properties/improvement.
The manufacturer (and apparently the supplier) are communicating to us indirectly through a couple of forum members.
...not the cleanest or most successful product launch I've witnessed...
Hopefully an innovative design doesn't go down the tubes due to all this.
It's not rubbish at all. What she said made perfect sense. You yourself received two different types of cartomizers in one order. You have since demonstrated what appears to be great results by modifying some of the units that you received (bravo!), but right now you don't appear to know what the manufacturer is actually shipping, or how those units will perform when compared to your results.
Anyone who is viewing this thread should have optimism based on your results, but should consider ordering units with some trepidation because it appears that the design is in a state of flux.
And frankly, I will never consider a cartomizer that you have to fill with a needle to be the "Holy Grail". The use of that term is.. well... tired. We became numb to it back in the "blue foam" days.
I'm going to chime back in here. As of yesterday naviathan had not received any of these cartos, yet now he's advising on how to "mod" them. I have been in a lot of contact with this supplier, and let me tell you one thing I know to be vertain. The supplier is requesting people to say good things about these on ECF. There are bribing people, I know this to be fact as I have evidence to prove so.
That being said I know that badkolo ordered when I did (although I canceled), and his shipment was as it looks like held up for revision. I believe badkolo to be 100% honestly giving his opinion, whereas some people that have admittedly not received these yet, not so much so.
That is why I originally requested the supplier comments be kept out of this thread and felt they were pushing the TOS of this site.
That being said I know that badkolo ordered when I did (although I canceled), and his shipment was as it looks like held up for revision. I believe badkolo to be 100% honestly giving his opinion, whereas some people that have admittedly not received these yet, not so much so.
That is why I originally requested the supplier comments be kept out of this thread and felt they were pushing the TOS of this site.
Well, I've gotten some of them to work decently by fluffing but, not all. Well see. I'll give it a few weeks and go from there. Last thing I'm goibg to say about eliquid.cn is their customer service is sub-par and I'm done dealing with them. Hopefully soon some US supplier will get the newest working model of these ce2 cartos and I will order from them. I digress.
Wow, that wasn't directed at me at all was it...
I'd like to know what bribing you've received, I haven't been bribed for anything. I saw a product that had great potential with little more than a few adjustments and went after it. I started talking to the suppliers who pushed me over to the manufacturer who has taken my input with great stride. How can someone who hasn't received a product give advice on how to mod it to work? You obviously have never looked at something and thought "well that would work better if you did this or this to it". Maybe I have a unique ability to look at things and analyse the design in my head, but it's not rocket science. I'm a computer technician with no college and a single term military background, if I can do it anyone can.
the difference scott is we went into these knowing before hand they had issues, whats not clear about that, v4l said they suck and yet we still bought them, and guess what they dont suck for me, i said they had issues , i said they are sending revisions out, but i dont care, ill be the guinee pig, but no matter how bad this company screwed up as long as in the end they sell a cartomizer that beats all others then thats all i care about , the end product.
I mean do the vendors on this forum really want me to share my expreiences about them, i have spent over 10k on vendors and i can tell you now even the ones you all love have lied scammed and cheated in way or another, not all of them but most, sent me worng prodcuts, double charged my cards, sent me wrong juice with the wrong mg or the wrong juice all together or the ones that sent me dead products all together that never worked and so on.
im not defending them in any way but in the end if they pulled off the perfect carto well thats all i need.
oh and quick, yes i modded a few but look at my videos and you will see me take one fresh form the pack and it works with no modding, i can do this for 10 fresh ones from 2 packs if you like. at this point i can tell which need to be modded and which dont just by looking at the inside.
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Let the supplier go through the proper procedure as other suppliers here. Hire a spokesperson, whatever, but there is some wrong doings going on here.
They very well may from here on out ship the "holy grail" but it doens't take away from the fact that the first batch was junk, I trust LGDs review, and the fact that there were people defending the product at THAT point only further proves the point that there are suppler apologists running rampant.
They very well may from here on out ship the "holy grail" but it doens't take away from the fact that the first batch was junk, I trust LGDs review, and the fact that there were people defending the product at THAT point only further proves the point that there are suppler apologists running rampant.
I don't know was it? a few freebies isn't worth my reputation that much I can tell you. Yes I've looked at things and thought I knew of a better way of doing them, but I wouldn't state it as fact until I tried it to be sure.
this is a misconception, badkolo is the one doing the mods and expressing hope for an excellent carto if the manufacturer follows through on the anticipated revisions
the KR8 version.. that I received and reviewed.. "worked" but much need of improvement.. if you didn't want to baby them.. dripping on them was nice.. as far as filling.. yes using the needle . requires safety, but if you could find a small enough gaged needle sheath (catheter) it would be safer... as far as that second ring..(where the fill holes are ) they are harder to take out that one is lead to believe,, but it is possible.... (harder than taking apart the conventional kr8 but easier than the GreenCig cartos (some know what I am talking about)
I have tried the fluff and coil loosen and I widened the gap.. and it does appear to be performing better,,,but still.. it is nice to get a product that doesn't need to do that..... if they are improving them great... but that only shows there should still be a wait period for MASS sales to CONSUMERS.. at least leave time for QC to kick up a notch...
we can't go with second hand hearsay but it is great that people, that have them, are sharing information .. and anything before the fact only weakens the source of the information even after the fact..
I am all for improvements.. though I have no problems with the "traditional" cartos.. I am not closed minded... I mean who would stick with a regular ecig when a mega becomes available with more battery life (as an example)
IMO if we want improvements and to share our tips.. it shouldn't be clouded..
By the way none of the mentioned suppliers/manufacturers are currently registered here at ECF... and I stand by my previous statement.. backed by management... (incase there was confusion)
Let the supplier go through the proper procedure as other suppliers here. Hire a spokesperson, whatever, but there is some wrong doings going on here.
They very well may from here on out ship the "holy grail" but it doens't take away from the fact that the first batch was junk, I trust LGDs review, and the fact that there were people defending the product at THAT point only further proves the point that there are suppler apologists running rampant.
if thats the case or not im not sure, and along with you i didnt like the way they handled themselves, but im not thier friend and they wont be coming over for coffee, in the end its up to them, either they fix the issue and put themselves in abetter light or they will sink themselves even further, but im going to buy more becuase if they did fix the wicking like i described and whatever other adjustments they made then ill be more then happy.
WE did all know what we where getting into so lets not act like we didnt know. thats not directed at you zbass.
If you're a computer technician it must be software bacause you were completely wrong on some very basic electrical fundamentals above.
I thought you were doing a really good job initially at being a (impartial) spokesman for some manufacturer (and then later, it appears, the supplier as well) who was a train wreck at customer relations and communications; but then you gradually moved towards actively promoting/defending the product even to the point of making blatantly incorrect technical statements. I can understand really wanting something to work and being excited about some new product and design and maybe looking for some recognition on a public forum but you should have given all that up as soon as you said you were solely going to be an English translator for an ESL manufacturer... just my thoughts.
OH I would also like to add... there is no need to go back and forth of "this and that" we ma y continue on with the original topic..
lets try to Keep this thread clean
lets try to Keep this thread clean
No I'm with everyone here on hoping and beginning to believe after your review that they will delivery what we've been after. In the end I still believe they are going to come through if they have not already. My statement was more about people starting threads to relay their messages, translate whatever. Also I stand by my statement that some people stand to benefit from sugar coating things.
I don't think you are Houdini badkolo, I fully trust your reviews.
I don't think you are Houdini badkolo, I fully trust your reviews.
id like to know how does this situation differ form what is going on today, 80% of this forum is modding there cartridges with bluefoam and straws and pins and pen springs all becuase what was sold eventually burns or doesnt wick well at the same time these peoople are modding carts and so on to fix them since they dont work for them the way they want, so how is this case any different, other then shoddy pr which there is no excuse for.
And I agree. I'm done, I just had information I felt was necessary to share in light of recent events, this is my last post not directly dealing with the product.
Actually I wasn't completely wrong on my statements about the voltage current and power consumption of an e-cig, but that would require far more technical explanation than I would care to go into now. I've successfully built and repaired many circuits including MegaSquirt engine management systems for after market performance on cars. That's really not relevant here.
Tell me at what point I stopped being impartial here or promoting the company? As a matter of fact quote me please. I've relayed information for Microcig and made my own comments and opinions in here, never once have I pushed anyone to anything.
no difference, really, except the original manufacturer's claim, on THEIR website, that the edition2s were far superior to other cartos.
so, as of now, we have
1. the older versions which seem to perform well with some modifications
2. the newest version, revamped by the manufacturer, and about to be
shipped out.
let's all wait until somebody can report on those and take it from there.
every site makes claims for thier products, thats how i got suckered into buying have the stuff i did . buit thats a different issue, again no defeding them but many vendors here have made bs claims as well.
how many vendors sell crappy juice, yet we try it and if we dont like it we dont buy anymore and so on, i once again i agree this company handled it wrong, completly wrong but i dont need to say something works if it doesnt,if they didnt work for me iw ould have ripped them to shreds, some have issues others work flawlessly and some i modded with ease to work exrtemly well. In the end this will all come to a close soon, either the new revisions fixes the issue and leaves them in a better position or they will sink thier own ship., but just in case they do sink themsleves by not fixing the issue im buying tons more .
in the end even if i get 80 out of 100 to work well then ill be luckier then what i buy now with cartos and atomizers .
every day i see car commercial and each one claims to be the car of the year, dominos claims to be better then pappa johns and so on,its all subjective. thats business.
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