2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[oettinger]

If you're a computer technician it must be software bacause you were completely wrong on some very basic electrical fundamentals above.

I thought you were doing a really good job initially at being a (impartial) spokesman for some manufacturer (and then later, it appears, the supplier as well) who was a train wreck at customer relations and communications; but then you gradually moved towards actively promoting/defending the product even to the point of making blatantly incorrect technical statements. I can understand really wanting something to work and being excited about some new product and design and maybe looking for some recognition on a public forum but you should have given all that up as soon as you said you were solely going to be an English translator for an ESL manufacturer... just my thoughts.

I agree, and called him out on this yesterday, just like zBass has. I think some of us more skeptical posters should just let this thread die, as opposed to keeping up with the forum bumps.

ALSO, the Duck has already said that these manufacturers/vendors need to register with the forums, or have there spokesperson do the same.

 

[oettinger]

Tell me at what point I stopped being impartial here or promoting the company? As a matter of fact quote me please. I've relayed information for Microcig and made my own comments and opinions in here, never once have I pushed anyone to anything.

The whole tone of every post you make is partial, defensive, and a !! They are going to be awesome!! post. or a "I have secret information, and you should buy them" post.

I think badkolo should put an impartial review in the reviews section, and carry his discussion on the E2 cartos there.

If I would have bought these, ESPECIALLY based on postings by someone who doesn;t even have them, I would be very unhappy.

Like I said before, based SOLELY on the fact that NO OTHER reputable supplier carries these is a BIG warning to me.

The MANUFACTURER is STRAIGHT up laying to people that e-mail them questions. SO, either you are wrong, or the manufacturer is wrong, which one is it??

 

[Aras]

I would like to add that Badkolo also says long haired cats are better than short haired ones. Simply by fluffing at the base of the neck and tail they work better!

(humor)

 

[badkolo]

I would like to add that Badkolo also says long haired cats are better than short haired ones. Simply by fluffing at the base of the neck and tail they work better!

(humor)

i told oyu that becuase im part of the ITTY BITTY KITTY COMMITTEE

 

[Kimmy]

thats pure rubbish, ive bought regualr cartos form many vendors that ended up in the garbage as well, should we shut those vendors down too.

the fact that we are lookng for the holy grail in cartos is becuase we are not happy with what we have now, ok i do agree they rushed a product to market and should have allieviated all issues before shipping but we all knew we where beta testing here.

how many atomizers have i bought form god knows how many vendors that either where doa or died in a day or burnt up or juice that sucks and tatses awful etc... watch my videos then tell me with a straight face they dont work as i stated, or would you like me to make a video with 7 of them all working flawlessly for over 10 minutes each nonstop with no breaks, i dont get what you are expecting.

I'm sorry you don't agree with my OPINION. To call is "rubbish" is a little rude, don't ya think? You were very helpful before you received these cartomizers, then you put up a video review with little information...and at the end said something to the effect of BUY THESE NOW, and now are you defending them to the end.. I'm sorry, I find that extremely irresponsible. A lot of newbies come here looking for advice on a product, just because yours somewhat worked doesn't mean others will. Dealing with China is a risk in itself. There is obviously clear inconsistencies with their products. I stand by my opinion of telling people to wait it out. I'm not saying to never ever order from them, I'm suggesting waiting it out until all this confusion has subsided. We all like trying new things, but we can wait a little longer. We shouldn't have to pay for products to "beta test", if this company has any sense and back their product they would send some out for free so people can do some reviews. This company is obviously being a tad bit shady. First, they had a nondisclosure agreement with vapor4life and put on their website "Available for preorder from v4l!" Then they start going through a middle man. Then they tell multiple different customers different stories.

To sum up, my OPINION is to wait this all out. If you are one of the types of people who like spending money on a risky endeavor by all means do so. I appreciate what you are contributing to the ecig community in ways of information. I do not think this is a product intended for people looking for a new type of cartomizer as of yet. There are still some serious issues that need to be addressed in terms of quality control, communication, and consistency.

I do not feel like getting into a pissing match with you badkolo, so please I would appreciate you considering my right to express my opinion without it being called "rubbish." It is insulting. I wouldn't say that to anyone, so I expect the same common courtesy.


By the way, I'm curious, since these work best using a syringe, how many of you are comfortable carrying syringes around in public? We already have multiple reports of people being pulled over by the police for vaping. I'm curious how the community feels about this. As a recovering addict, I am a little weary of carrying a syringe on my person. I'm still at that phase where when I get pulled over my heart races, syringes would make that feeling worse?

 

[naviathan]

The whole tone of every post you make is partial, defensive, and a !! They are going to be awesome!! post. or a "I have secret information, and you should buy them" post.

I think badkolo should put an impartial review in the reviews section, and carry his discussion on the E2 cartos there.

If I would have bought these, ESPECIALLY based on postings by someone who doesn;t even have them, I would be very unhappy.

Like I said before, based SOLELY on the fact that NO OTHER reputable supplier carries these is a BIG warning to me.

The MANUFACTURER is STRAIGHT up laying to people that e-mail them questions. SO, either you are wrong, or the manufacturer is wrong, which one is it??

I have never once told anyone to go and buy these in any form or fashion. I have only made it clear that I think we should hold off on pushing this product to the trash because I believe it has great potential once the issues are fixed, which it appears they have. I have no secret information, simply information about the design aspects of the product that the manufacturer wishes not to be shared at the moment for patent reasons.
As far as I know the manufacturer isn't lying to anyone, that would be the suppliers. Whether Aileen is just misinformed on things and is throwing answers out there or is intentionally giving their customer support a bad reputation is beyond me, but e-liquid.cn is not the manufacturer, they're a supplier, as is royal smokers and another website that's listed around here somewhere.
Am I wrong? Could Martinez be outright lying to me? Sure, that is possible, but at the moment I don't believe that's the case as I've seen photos of the design and the fixes for the issues we have complained about. I do believe that the fact that every tip I gave badkolo on fixing his cartos up has worked so far means that I must have something going here that's right. I've been pondering this design ever since I read Raw Ducks review and V4L's review. The pictures and videos I found showed a design that I myself had considered at one time, but I would have just tried to mod one together, I don't have a factory. So I decided to follow through with the manufacturer on this and see where I could help fix the problems.
Now I have to ask, who has the real problem here? Me for passing information and giving my thoughts on this or all the nay sayers who have a huge problem with this product all together. You act like it's the end of the world that I want to support this product because I think it can be a winner. If you don't feel the same way stop reading the threads. Most of the confusion I've seen that people have here is because they didn't read or misunderstood what they read horribly and blew out of proportion.

 

[Aras]

Here's my take on the situation. Microcig is trying to make these work. eliquid.cn invested in the first revision and is trying to make their money back, seems they have no idea what they are selling, at least Aileen doesn't.

The few of us who recieved these already are trying to make them work. If we can we say we like them. If we can't we say we don't.

Pretty cut and dry to me.

 

[Aras]

I do not feel like getting into a pissing match

I'll take that challenge!

 

[naviathan]

Here's my take on the situation. Microcig is trying to make these work. eliquid.cn invested in the first revision and is trying to make their money back, seems they have no idea what they are selling, at least Aileen doesn't.

The few of us who recieved these already are trying to make them work. If we can we say we like them. If we can't we say we don't.

Pretty cut and dry to me.

Exactly...

 

[badkolo]

I'm sorry you don't agree with my OPINION. To call is "rubbish" is a little rude, don't ya think? You were very helpful before you received these cartomizers, then you put up a video review with little to no information...and at the end said something to the effect of BUY THESE NOW, and now are you defending them to the end.. I'm sorry, I find that extremely irresponsible. A lot of newbies come here looking for advice on a product, just because yours somewhat worked doesn't mean others will. Dealing with China is a risk in itself. There is obviously clear inconsistencies with their products. I stand by my opinion of telling people to wait it out. I'm not saying to never ever order from them, I'm suggesting waiting it out until all this confusion has subsided. We all like trying new things, but we can wait a little longer. We shouldn't have to pay for products to "beta test", if this company has any sense and back their product they would send some out for free so people can do some reviews. This company is obviously being a tad bit shady. First, they had a nondisclosure agreement with vapor4life and put on their website "Available for preorder from v4l!" Then they start going through a middle man. Then they tell multiple different customers different stories.

To sum up, my OPINION is to wait this all out. If you are one of the types of people who like spending money on a risky endeavor by all means do so. I appreciate what you are contributing to the ecig community in ways of information. I do not think this is a product intended for people looking for a new type of cartomizer as of yet. There are still some serious issues that need to be addressed in terms of quality control, communication, and consistency.

I do not feel like getting into a pissing match with you badkolo, so please I would appreciate you considering my right to express my opinion without it being called "rubbish." It is insulting. I wouldn't say that to anyone, so I expect the same common courtesy.


By the way, I'm curious, since these work best using a syringe, how many of you are comfortable carrying syringes around in public? We already have multiple reports of people being pulled over by the police for vaping. I'm curious how the community feels about this. As a recovering addict, I am a little weary of carrying a syringe my person. I'm still at that phase where when I get pulled over my heart races, syringes would make that feeling worse?

it is rubbish, pure rubibish and heres why, ""id like to know how does this situation differ form what is going on today, 80% of this forum is modding there cartridges with bluefoam and straws and pins and pen springs all becuase what was sold eventually burns or doesnt wick well at the same time these peoople are modding carts and so on to fix them since they dont work for them the way they want, so how is this case any different, other then shoddy pr which there is no excuse for""

now im sorry if i was rude, i dont mean too, and im not defending them nor the product, and yes i did say to buy these now, did you not see me take a fresh carto and use it with no issues, i even said ill make a video showing 10 fresh ones work one after another. let me ask you all this, since you can obviously see that some work perfectly will you at least admit that obviously the issue is fixable, if you can agree to that then whats the issue, let them fix the issue and then we can all have better cartomizers then we do now.

put aside all the lies and bad pr, as i stated many vendors here lie cheat steal and misrepresent the products. some intentionaly and others not, its busines right?? cause they still are here selling stuff, how many times have you bought juice that was gross or not to your liking, how many cartos have you bought that sucked or atomizers that died in a day even if oyu babied them.

I gave my advice, the cartos have issues with wicking, how many times can i say that, some that i received are the better ones and some arent, but i was able to fix the bad ones as well, so that should tell me and everyone else they are fixable, dont you want a perfect carto?. i do, and thats what i was in search for, and ill be honest, once they iron the issue out then i have found it, what will happen next week or so when they ship out the fixed one and they work, will everyone still cry about thier ....ty pr form china. i doubt it. and yes im that type of person, ill risk whatever it takes for the reward. and yes dealing with china is a risk that we all said we would take about 2 weeks ago when this fiasco started, and i repeated many times that this is like beta testing until they solve the issue.

what is wrong with me stating that they work when do work for me, you have people here saying they dont work and others that do. are we all lying???

 

[Aras]

I'm still interested in this pissing match... Are there prizes? I really think I have a chance at the gold here. I'm going to start drinking beer and Mt. dew right now!

 

[mister kil]

If you search I have already posted the easiest way to remove both caps.
You don't have to carry a needle and you can visually see where to fill it up to.
I have the 7 hole ones and most of them needed no alteration to work properly, and I look forward to the next revision being done.

It is laughable that anybody would believe what any receptionist(aka Aileen) told them. Haven't you ever seen that situation on a sit com?

Edit:The easiest way i have found to remove both caps at once from an E2 Caro is to use a plant hanger hook (the small ones that screw in the wall) and screw it into the mouth piece and pull. the one I use has a hilt and stops perfectly through the second cap.

 

[Aras]

If you search I have already posted the easiest way to remove both caps.
You don't have to carry a needle and you can visually see where to fill it up to.
I have the 7 hole ones and most of them needed no alteration to work properly, and I look forward to the next revision being done.

It is laughable that anybody would believe what any receptionist(aka Aileen) told them. Haven't you ever seen that situation on a sit com?

I know, I demanded for a new rep to speak to. I'm only on my third email back and forth.

Also laugh at me all you want! I'm freakin' hilarious! (unless I'm holding my rifle, not so much then)

 

[Quick1]

I'm still interested in this pissing match... Are there prizes? I really think I have a chance at the gold here. I'm going to start drinking beer and Mt. dew right now!

You don't have many female friends do you... you're going to lose to a girl (any girl).

 

[badkolo]

If you search I have already posted the easiest way to remove both caps.
You don't have to carry a needle and you can visually see where to fill it up to.
I have the 7 hole ones and most of them needed no alteration to work properly, and I look forward to the next revision being done.

It is laughable that anybody would believe what any receptionist(aka Aileen) told them. Haven't you ever seen that situation on a sit com?

Edit:The easiest way i have found to remove both caps at once from an E2 Caro is to use a plant hanger hook (the small ones that screw in the wall) and screw it into the mouth piece and pull. the one I use has a hilt and stops perfectly through the second cap.

the ones with 3 holes pops right out for me with ease, the ones with 7 holes i need to aplly more pressure but it pops out

 

[Drozd]

now im sorry if i was rude, i dont mean too, and im not defending them nor the product, and yes i did say to buy these now, did you not see me take a fresh carto and use it with no issues, i even said ill make a video showing 10 fresh ones work one after another. let me ask you all this, since you can obviously see that some work perfectly will you at least admit that obviously the issue is fixable, if you can agree to that then whats the issue, let them fix the issue and then we can all have better cartomizers then we do now.

Dude..you're getting into the mix with die hard V4L fans here though that still think theres nothing wrong with the cartos we have now...and will see these as trash just because V4L said so...no point in arguing with them...

 

[Kimmy]

Okay, I see, bad. Any opinion that differs from your own is rubbish. I see what type of person you are.

80%? Where did you get that number from? Curious. Is it an estimate?

Just because you happened to get a batch that worked well, it doesn't mean other people will!!!! And I have had FIVE to TEN cartomizers not work properly in 8+ months of vaping. Juice has nothing to do with it, considering taste is subjective. And I don't think we are ever going to see a PERFECT cartomizer. Nothing is perfect, everything has flaws.

And I appreciate you spending your money so I don't have to, but I stand behind my opinion. There are clearly issues that need attending to, and I don't think people should run out and buy a product when they don't know what the hell it is they are getting & if it will have to be modified.

I am not against the idea of a new, IMPROVED cartomizer, but I am against the idea of people getting the wrong idea from your review and thinking all is fine and dandy. It's far from great. You may have gotten a good batch, I'm not denying that, but I can see this whole situation with this company turning ugly--fast. They need to make the necessary improvements, and then, only then, begin selling them for profit. Will they do it? Probably not, it's business.

Done with this monkey business

 

[firhill]

You act like it's the end of the world that I want to support this product because I think it can be a winner. If you don't feel the same way stop reading the threads.

It's an open forum/thread.

Are you suggesting that only those individuals who will say positive things about the product should post?

If so, I must admit that does come across as either fanboyism or someone who has ulterior motives.

FWIW...You and/or the supplier can "rent" their own sub-forum and then delete anything not in agreement with your line of thinking.

 

[Kimmy]

Dude..you're getting into the mix with die hard V4L fans here though that still think theres nothing wrong with the cartos we have now...and will see these as trash just because V4L said so...no point in arguing with them...

Dude, seriously? I know there are issues. I've seen the burning. Even v4l themselves admit their are issues, hence them trying to get a burn free cartomizer....duh.

I like the current cartomizers, that's true, but I know we are in need of improvements.

 

[Kimmy]

Let's please get back to what this thread is all about, not v4l fans, not a pissing match, let's focus on the issue at hand like Duck suggested.

Can we try to move forward?