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the ob

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ok. let me try to explain my issues.

I have a combination of two qualities that do not always go well together. I am not very patient, and at the same time fiercely persistent. Those two factors might be at work here. That being said, here is what I am experiencing. I think there might be some oxidation issues at work, but I will try to explain and hopefully you all can help.

1) I cant get these wide coils rolled without issue. the insides always come out of the top or bottom while rolling and I cannot make it stop. This could be causing issues.

2) I really have to cram the wicks into the holes. see above :)

3) they are all popping in the device. I notice this while oxidizing them as well. They snap, crackle and pop.

4) The flavor is muted. I am using the same juice each time to make sure.

5) The heat seems weak, meaning the coils do not light up as bright. It does not matter how many wraps.

6) the top coil is always shorting. If I get it to stop, then see above.

7) the top coil seems to be eating through the mesh. I have had to cut the tops of mesh off several times because of this.

just do bj would not scold me :))) I used a provari to do the last experiment. I measured and it came in at 1.5 with 30g five wraps. I adjusted the heat one number at a time, and nothing was right.

I hope some can shed some light and that this post helps others who seem to be struggling too.
 

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I've gone from being a flavor ..... to a unflavored/minimal flavor fanatic

nic has loads of tastes, whether its the tasteless glory of wizard ice, the peppery goodness of MFS or the rancid anus of RTS (btw emonty I really need to get some ICE, you europeans have it made !)

VG has tastes, PG has tastes, etc

Sure things become more complicated with a flavored blend, but if mesh did make a difference, us naked types would know it

And I agree with BJ, the steel adds what it adds and thats about it (or lets the juice shine if you prefer, personally I think every wicking material adds something). Difference between maximum flavor and poor flavor is the difference between optimum juice feeding (wicking) and suboptima/even excessivel wicking +/- terrible shorts IMO

Quigs et al. I think there is a syringe/hypodermic mod for those loosey goosey zen caps somewhere around the forums, but don't ask for it in the thread as you'll likely end up with somebody's "good evening" half way up your crack lol

this mod exists in a thread I started called Lorderos tips and tricks. if you look for it.
 

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ive 0 to no success finding a good 0 nic juice + a setup that provides enough flavor for me.... 6mg is working now but i am gonna try to keep looking for a 0 nic solution
I was able to go to 0 nic fooling myself strong menthol. Hell it gives a TH without heat.:) Something like VaperGod's ArticWolf. That with your favorite juice cut to 3mg then cut to 0 nic. You don't need much ArticWolf mixed with your juice to give good menthol TH. I usually just make my own with menthol crystals.
 

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ok. let me try to explain my issues.

I have a combination of two qualities that do not always go well together. I am not very patient, and at the same time fiercely persistent. Those two factors might be at work here. That being said, here is what I am experiencing. I think there might be some oxidation issues at work, but I will try to explain and hopefully you all can help.

1) I cant get these wide coils rolled without issue. the insides always come out of the top or bottom while rolling and I cannot make it stop. This could be causing issues.

2) I really have to cram the wicks into the holes. see above :)

3) they are all popping in the device. I notice this while oxidizing them as well. They snap, crackle and pop.

4) The flavor is muted. I am using the same juice each time to make sure.

5) The heat seems weak, meaning the coils do not light up as bright. It does not matter how many wraps.

6) the top coil is always shorting. If I get it to stop, then see above.

7) the top coil seems to be eating through the mesh. I have had to cut the tops of mesh off several times because of this.

just do bj would not scold me :))) I used a provari to do the last experiment. I measured and it came in at 1.5 with 30g five wraps. I adjusted the heat one number at a time, and nothing was right.

I hope some can shed some light and that this post helps others who seem to be struggling too.

1) make your wicks longer than you need and then cut off each end so they are even. I usually slant cut the end that goes in the tank.

2) Make you wicks thinner.

3) This is a good thing unless it is popping the coil.

4) I have the same problem. Can't help you there.

5) You could have an oxidation problem or a slight short somewhere. I'm too new at this to know for sure. More voltage maybe?

6) I have the same problem. Can't help there. My problem with this is the juice doesn't wick up to the top coil so it glows.

7) You might have the wire wrapped too tightly around the mesh.

But don't listen to me because I'm new to this also. :facepalm:
 

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ok. let me try to explain my issues.

I have a combination of two qualities that do not always go well together. I am not very patient, and at the same time fiercely persistent. Those two factors might be at work here. That being said, here is what I am experiencing. I think there might be some oxidation issues at work, but I will try to explain and hopefully you all can help.

1) I cant get these wide coils rolled without issue. the insides always come out of the top or bottom while rolling and I cannot make it stop. This could be causing issues.

2) I really have to cram the wicks into the holes. see above :)

3) they are all popping in the device. I notice this while oxidizing them as well. They snap, crackle and pop.

4) The flavor is muted. I am using the same juice each time to make sure.

5) The heat seems weak, meaning the coils do not light up as bright. It does not matter how many wraps.

6) the top coil is always shorting. If I get it to stop, then see above.

7) the top coil seems to be eating through the mesh. I have had to cut the tops of mesh off several times because of this.

just do bj would not scold me :))) I used a provari to do the last experiment. I measured and it came in at 1.5 with 30g five wraps. I adjusted the heat one number at a time, and nothing was right.

I hope some can shed some light and that this post helps others who seem to be struggling too.

1 Mine come out the ends while I roll and I just keep pushing the end back in and keep rolling.
2 My wicks go so tight in the hole that I have to turn them as I push them in.
3 All my coils snap. crackle, and pop. Just turn the volume up on my videos or emony's. Each time you see a stream of vaper shoot off the coils in the video it is a pop. This is normal
4 My flavor is muted until I adjust the voltage and if the coil isn't shorted there will be a point where the voltage gives me the flavor I want.
5 Now if your dry coils never get red you have a power problem. A 1.5 ohm on 3.7v will get bright red almost immediately.
6 The top leg is a ..... of a problem for all of us, Keep it as short as possible. I usually drip on it 10 to 15 times so i builds up some crud and that helps keep it wet. Double wrap the leg or using NR wire can also help.
7 The top coil cutting into the wick is because as you tighten the post screw It pulls in the coil wire. Try connecting the top wire first and when you tighten the pos screw the whole coil will turn on the wick if it isn't connected to the bottom screw yet.

Hope this explains and helps a little at least knowing we all have problems with these, but it does get easier with practice.
 
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My way of dealing with the top leg flaring up is to wrap just the tiniest bit of cotton around it to keep it immersed in juice. In my GTUS I also lay a 'bed' of cotton in the bottom before placing wick in the receiving hole to prevent the bottom leg from burning too hot and to create a wicking/juice storage bed in the atty to prevent leakage out of the air hole. I have been using a tiny bit of cotton around the area where the wick goes through the mid-section also to provide a seal once it expands with juice.
 

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1 Mine come out the ends while I roll and I just keep pushing the end back in and keep rolling.
2 My wicks go so tight in the hole that I have to turn them as I push them in.
3 All my coils snap. crackle, and pop. Just turn the volume up on my videos or emony's. Each time you see a stream of vaper shoot off the coils in the video it is a pop. This is normal
4 My flavor is muted until I adjust the voltage and if the coil isn't shorted there will be a point where the voltage gives me the flavor I want.
5 Now if your dry coils never get red you have a power problem. A 1.5 ohm on 3.7v will get bright red almost immediately.
6 The top leg is a ..... of a problem for all of us, Keep it as short as possible. I usually drip on it 10 to 15 times so i builds up some crud and that helps keep it wet. Double wrap the leg or using NR wire can also help.
7 The top coil cutting into the wick is because as you tighten the post screw It pulls in the coil wire. Try connecting the top wire first and when you tighten the pos screw the whole coil will turn on the wick if it isn't connected to the bottom screw yet.

Hope this explains and helps a little at least knowing we all have problems with these, but it does get easier with practice.

Thanks a ton.

Can you explain number 7 again? Do you mean start wrapping from the top?

And when you drip on the top coil do you drip and burn?
 

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Thanks a ton.

Can you explain number 7 again? Do you mean start wrapping from the top?

And when you drip on the top coil do you drip and burn?
I wrap my coils on the wick before putting the wick in the hole and then I install the top leg first. That way when the screw pulls the coil wire it rotates the whole coil around the wick and doesn't tighten it on the wick and on the bottom screw I wrap the wire counter rotation of the screw and this way when I tighten it does not pull the wire.. Yes I drip and burn (give it current) until I am sure all the coils are heating properly.
 

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Turbo, Quigs, what is the beer can mod? It's burning a hole in my brain and I'm guessing all over the place. Please put me out of my misery. Goodness that Zen thread is monstrous... :D

Basically cut a piece of beer can that will be the right size to create a half to 3/4 of the inside diameter of your cap, rework it's curve so it fits real nice against the inside wall...you can then slide/rotate the arc to partially obstruct the airhole, simple friction holds it in place and it doesn't melt when in proximity to a hot coil...works pretty good

Edit, obviously this will only work if the air hole on what ever device you're modding isn't drilled through cap threads
 
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