Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?

[regal55]

What I find interesting is it is following under the FDA and not The ATF. This tells me that its going to suck real bad, and be medicine like. Probably just PG & VG & Nicotine and as big companies like Blu get approval a few other flavors,

If it was regulated by the STF things would have been much much better, Either way regulation such and I with I new how to DIY beyond nets.


Hopefully we can still buy flavors and people will share recipes liberally.

 

[TamiP]

No I'm REALLY glad I DIY.

 

[crxess]

Yes they still forbid artificial coloring and WTA :

We all know artificial coloring has been associated with increased risks of cancer since many years. Why would anyone want it, in their food or their e-liquid ?

WTA has been debated since a few years. Rolygate's post explains the risks and value for vapers : http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html . I understand your position on this.

I can only thrust that it was excluded from AEMSA standards was based on facts. I dont expect that e-liquid manufacturers would agree to any exclusions based on whims .

Are there other standards alternatives to AEMSA ?

Maybe we should stay more on Point - Known e-liquid issues - and be happy

While bladder tumors and other forms of cancer were linked to certain artificial coloring in these studies, no human trials have found links between cancer and the dyes in humans.

The Side Effects of Artificial Food Coloring | LIVESTRONG.COM

As with most things Targeted - like E-liquid use, Unknowns get added to the train with known issues to create panic through fear mongering.
While some Colorings seem to be well linked to ADHD, Cancer seems to have taken the fall to drive banning colorings(synthetic).

Though this once again is one of my reasons for going DIY. I can choose which Flavorings/brands and mostly purchase coloring free flavors.
Why add something which does not effect the outcome?
If I vaped Lime, I would NOT want to blow Green clouds.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Speaking of coloring, what is meant by "caramel color" and what is the purpose for adding it, and, why is this distinguished from food/artifical coloring?

 

[Sirius]

Speaking of coloring, what is meant by "caramel color" and what is the purpose for adding it, and, why is this distinguished from food/artifical coloring?

It's made by a heat process. Some contain 4 Mel as in cola coloring. There was a warning awhile back on it.

 

[beckdg]

Uhhh actually it has happened and continues to happen. Have you not heard about some of the raids on farmers markets?

Raw Foods Raid - The Fight For the Right To Eat What You Want - YouTube

Raw Milk Raid on Amish Farmer Highlights Stupid FDA Tactics - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Again extremist, not living within the rules. Is you grocery store being shut down, how about your tobacco shop, or party store?? No, cause they operate under the rules and laws.
Might want to do a little research before making such claims.

So my son should be made to suffer with whole body rashes for the rest of his life or give up dairy products entirely because of your ill guided totalitarian belief that the system works and it's only motivation is for the good of the people?

Nice!

Keep the faith, brother.

FYI there are whole food markets breaking laws in many states. They're usually run by and frequented by people who've found a way to forgo serious illness and side effects to over processing and additional harmful ingredients that aren't conducive to a healthy diet. In the case of the dairy market this processing that strips the food of all the beneficial bacteria that allows the human body to properly digest and utilize dairy foods is federally and in many cases state mandated as a necessity before this food is allowed in grocery markets. These necessary processes enforced by the FDA also have the side effect of producing monosodium glutamate... which is usually hidden under a disguised name on the federally mandated nutrition label.

If you learn what to look for you'll find one of MSGs aliases on the ingredients list on a very large percentage of products that proudly boast NO MSG on the front of the label.

Same organization that oversees tobacco... and we've seen what they add to their products and why.

Same organization that will oversee nic juice.

We WILL be poisoned. The little guy with honest intentions WILL be run out of business by expensive, time consuming regulations. When we're regulated across the board. Period.

Be careful what you ask for.

BTW... my son gets a full body rash for months after a cup of milk... unless it's raw, unpasteurized. For which he can drink gallons over the course of a week with no repercussions. I'm a believer.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

I'm sorry I think you misinterpreted my post. I was quoting what the previous poster sub claimed. The way the poster quoted me came out all screwy looking and it stayed that way when I responded. I'm all for having access to raw unpasturized milk. I was using this as an example of the how the FDA is raiding farmers markets and demonstrating that people are getting threatened at gun point for consuming and selling a non-fda regulated product.

 

[beckdg]

The hammer will come down when someone buys a bottle of e-liquid bathtub brew that turns out to be 100mg and ends up in the hospital. Those concerned about regulations should care. Given the amount of vape shops opening by owners who simply haven't clue or don't care, it is bound to happen- just like exploding mods...

DOH!

Tell you what. I'll help you out. I'll tell you what a 6 mg clearo user does when they vape 50 mg on a 0.2 ohm build.

They cough and put it down. Nobody has died from my setup yet.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

Something weird is going on with the reply with quote function.

 

[beckdg]

Something weird is going on with the reply with quote function.

Yes... I see that. I wasn't quoting you for the record.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

As far as a question goes..that's a good one. I have asked for photos of the lab at Ahlusion from Wald and Alley. They posted one on Fb. Wald is a good man, answers any questions on his eliquid. Email him or Alley on their site where it says feed back. Or go on Facebook and ask Alley.

This is Wald behind the counter at AHL.

I thought AHL was like fight club and we all know what the first two rules of fight club are....lol. In all seriousness AHL is my favorite vendor as well. The way Wlad has built his company demonstrates exactly why regulation is not needed. Consumers demanded a high quality product and he has delivered. I'm jealous of the people who have set foot on the mothership.

 

[Lilvapie]

Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?

Why would you have a problem with it? it is the same thing as them mixing it right in the back of the vape shop. With good practice-proper mesuring and safety, it is the same thing.

 

[old_geezer]

This regulation stuff has me worried. I have about 900ml of juice in my deep freeze now. But I'm going to buy a gallon of unflavored 70/30 in 32 4oz bottles from e-liq.com for $93.83 out the door. That won't have all the unknown chemicals and will tide me over for a while if the regulation stuff gets ugly. I'm not sure how long it will last, but my deep freeze is -15F so it should last for a while even in 4oz plastic bottles. Wait, I'm not preserving flavors so this should last a looooong time if needed. That's a 3840ml stash
- Joe

 

[Mr.Mann]

I thought AHL was like fight club and we all know what the first two rules of fight club are....lol. In all seriousness AHL is my favorite vendor as well. The way Wlad has built his company demonstrates exactly why regulation is not needed. Consumers demanded a high quality product and he has delivered. I'm jealous of the people who have set foot on the mothership.

I was in that line, but standing next to my friend that took the photo -- I ain't one to be cheesin' in photos, and neither is W. LOL.

And, yes, we've definitely broken the rules of the Vape Club!

 

[sub4me]

Looks like a nice place where is it at??

 

[rondasherrill]

The only retailer I have bothered with since I started using DIY unflavored is the rare bottle from Roar Vapor. I actually went to their store front last month, and it was a pretty great experience.

They let me poke my head in and see the lab, which was an actual lab looking place in the back of the store, that you have to go through a door to get to. They wouldn't let me go INTO the lab though, which actually made me feel better about them. How can your lab be clean if you just let randoms walk through and mess with stuff after all. I had a nice long talk with the store owners about their juices. Diacetyl/AP(didn't think about it at the time) never came up, but they did point out to me the reason they have no orange flavors, despite their primarily fruity line of flavors, is that so far they have been unable to find a good orange flavor that isn't oil based in some way, and that's currently considered unsafe for use in e-liquids.

 

[sub4me]

I saw a bottle of Njoys blood orange on the shelf at 7-11 I was thinking about getting cause I like orange pop and I never tried an orange liquid before. Maybe I will get it to see if its any good.

 

[sub4me]

Found them, that was easy. Looks like they have quite the following so they must be doing something right.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Found them, that was easy. Looks like they have quite the following so they must be doing something right.

That store in the photo is in Flint, Michigan! LOL. But, but, Flint, MI? Yeah, Flint town!

 

[Mr.Mann]

The only retailer I have bothered with since I started using DIY unflavored is the rare bottle from Roar Vapor. I actually went to their store front last month, and it was a pretty great experience.

They let me poke my head in and see the lab, which was an actual lab looking place in the back of the store, that you have to go through a door to get to. They wouldn't let me go INTO the lab though, which actually made me feel better about them. How can your lab be clean if you just let randoms walk through and mess with stuff after all. [Totally]I had a nice long talk with the store owners about their juices. Diacetyl/AP(didn't think about it at the time) never came up, but they did point out to me the reason they have no orange flavors, despite their primarily fruity line of flavors, is that so far they have been unable to find a good orange flavor that isn't oil based in some way, and that's currently considered unsafe for use in e-liquids.

Roar is still doing good! (For the old heads, that would be the vendor formerly known as RAWR).