Am I tobacco free?

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DeAnna2112

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I consider myself tobacco free hands down, but i think your husband raised a fair question. I just think it depends on how you look at it. Yes, nic comes from tobacco but for me there is a difference in smoking tobacco and vaping the nic that comes from it. I have to say yes we are still tied to tobacco, but just in a different much healthier way. So i can't say i disagree with him as we are still vaping nic that comes from tobacco.
 

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I consider myself tobacco free hands down, but i think your husband raised a fair question. I just think it depends on how you look at it. Yes, nic comes from tobacco but for me there is a difference in smoking tobacco and vaping the nic that comes from it. I have to say yes we are still tied to tobacco, but just in a different much healthier way. So i can't say i disagree with him as we are still vaping nic that comes from tobacco.
It caused me to think that's for sure!
 
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    In the case of Obamacare rules, you are a tobacco user if you consume more than 4 cigs a week. However, no guidance is provided on converting any other type of tobacco use to amount. I would guess at my current level of use: 10 cigs/wk nicotine, maybe 10 cigs/wk or less formaldehyde (I use low nic but that doesn't remove the other), less than 1 cig per week of TSNAs and WTAs (even when vaping NETs).
     

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    Not officially as far as the insurance and health industry is concerned. They consider you a tobacco user period.

    Nicotine is usually extracted from Tobacco too.

    But you are still much better off leaving the smokes, etc alone.

    Actually someone found a statement by Anthem a few years ago that vaping wasn't considered smoking at that time. Kaiser Permanente had a representative saying online that vaping may be considered tobacco use, even though surely the person knew there was no maybes about it -- if she didn't know working FOR the company, how would we ever know -- the only answer I have for that is yes she did know it isn't considered tobacco use but would lose her job if she actually said that.

    Again, this for Obamacare purposes, where 4 cigs a week is non-tobacco user. At any rate, there is no way I'm improving my health and yet paying for a plan with the same deductable as a catastrophic care only plan. Especially as I quit smoking BEFORE the deeming.
     

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    I would honestly respond with "If I was wearing a patch to not smoke, am I still shackled to tobacco?".

    Then again I have 3 exes, so relationship advice from me is probably not the most reliable for how to interact with a spouse.

    *snicker*
     

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    Well... he asked if my nicotine came from the tobacco plant and I really didn't know how to answer him.

    Nicotine is just simply a stimulant just as caffeine is a stimulant. The nic we use in our juice did not a tobacco product so if we do not double dip (use both vaping and tobacco products) we are cigarette and tobacco free.


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    I consider myself a nonsmoker. That's good enough for me. I know that I'm healthy and vapefull because I'm satisfied with the effects of a smoker I'm avoiding so who really cares what category you fall into. If your out of harms way your good.

    I'm loving the word "vapefull"!


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    I think the point he was trying to make was if my nicotine came from tobacco, then I was still shackled to tobacco.
    maple syrup is derived from the sap of maple trees, therefore, it is a lumber product. See how that works?
     

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    some one who never used tobacco ever would be tobacco free I suppose, but if they ate potatoes, eggplant etc they would have ingested nicotine... now heres the question, since they ingested nicotine from another source other than tobacco are they tobacco users ( nic is nic right?? ) ??? My take on this is that even tho one uses nic and not tobacco, one is tobacco free.
     

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    It caused me to think that's for sure!

    Your tobacco free.. period. Nicotine isn't tobacco, there is a humongous difference between the two, so much so as to render the question a moot point. If you had one of those new fangled tobacco warmers (HNB) then you would not be tobacco free - but you don't, so you ARE tobacco free because our nicotine doesn't contain tobacco.

    Consider this. Do you tell people you ate an orange if you take a vitamin C tablet? (Hopefully no.. lol). Secondly can a person who is allergic to oranges take vitamin C supplements? (Definitely yes.. they can.) If vitamin C is not an orange, how on earth is nicotine somehow tobacco? (Hint, it's not)

    So... +2 on what Eskie said..
     
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    New here, but if I may give my 2¢, I agree with some others.

    If you're not actually lighting, dipping, or chewing a tobacco leaf then I would consider it tobacco free. There's more to the tobacco experience than just the nicotine and that's been covered by most of the replies.

    I'm over 2 weeks without a cigarette. My wife considers that a win (as do I) no matter how it's labeled.
     

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    In the case of Obamacare rules, you are a tobacco user if you consume more than 4 cigs a week. However, no guidance is provided on converting any other type of tobacco use to amount. I would guess at my current level of use: 10 cigs/wk nicotine, maybe 10 cigs/wk or less formaldehyde (I use low nic but that doesn't remove the other), less than 1 cig per week of TSNAs and WTAs (even when vaping NETs).

    Eh, the tobacco thing and Obamacare is a little more nuanced. First, the Federal guidelines do allow for a different premium for tobacco users vs. non-tobacco users. However, in States whose Department of Insurance require community based premiums, tobacco use isn't in the system.

    Also, if you said you were not a tobacco user when you were and the insurance company found out, all they can do is ask for the difference to be paid back to them of premiums between the tobacco non-tobacco premiums and cannot deny payment of medical bills or cancel your policy as it is not regarded as a "material misrepresentation". So if they decide you are a tobacco user when you land in a hospital, and the non-user premium was $100 (for simplicity) when it should have been $150 (50% higher on tobacco users) you would owe 50 for the 6 month back looking period, or $300, not cancellation of the policy or nonpayment of your $40,000 hospital bill. Again that's only in States which allow for it, some don't using community based ratings, so it depends where you live.

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    I think the point he was trying to make was if my nicotine came from tobacco, then I was still shackled to tobacco.

    Nicotine is just about on the scale of caffeine for health issues. Neither is anywhere near the dangers of the tars and the chemicals in cigarette smoke.

    We've all taken a puff off a cigarette and blown it through a tissue to see the brown stain. When you do that with vapor it just leaves a clear wet spot. The testing has been done repeatedly by medical research. There's not much in vapor that anyone can find to complain about unless the heat is cranked up above 400F. The more they test the better we look.

    In the healthcare arena if I tested positive for nicotine I'd just tell them I haven't smoked in 7 years. Look at my chest X-ray. It's clean and clear with no sign of the accumulation of tar from smoking. That's because I don't smoke.
     
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    stols001

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    I actually never blew into a tissue to see if brown residue was left... I found that out my second year in college when me and my roommate (we were both heavy smokers and it was also the "party smoker's room" there was pretty much a cigarette lit at all times. When we tore down our posters at the end of the year, we realized the paint had darkened our paint by *at least* 3 shades. LOL, I also used to be able to tell by looking at my nic stained fingers, and a lady I used to smoke with outside, she was the receptionist and we'd go smoke and gossip together, and she'd always joke about her "Hitler 'stash" from smoking cigs (she did indeed have one), so the tar is visible even if you don't see it build up in your lungs.

    Oddly, much nic staining on hands disappeared when I switched to additive free tobacco, so I'm not quite sure what that was about. It was still plenty tarry as we used old cans of American spirits as ashtrays-- cut a hole in the top, fill halfway with water, and there you go. I had one sitting out there for a long time as I was quitting and this dreadful black, goopy stuff collected around the bottom and started oozing out of it.... LOL, during the worst of the quitting phase I asked the husband if I could eat it, but he was firmly in the "No, Anna, you may NOT," camp, but it was definitely PURE tar, it looked like what they use to put down new tarmac on the roads....

    Also, you could tell the health insurance arena WHATEVER you want, and they aren't going to give a rat's, um, tail. They will test you for nicotine if they feel its indicated, and if you test positive they're going to up your premiums or kick you off.... That's how it works, when various states allow that practice. I really wish they would get on board, but like that's ever going to happen without governmental interference... YOUR health and well being is NOT your health insurance company's priority, trust me. They just want to rid themselves of super users, sadly. This is ONE area where I think some regulation is in order, though I know there are folks that disagree, and they are perfectly entitled to their opinion.

    Also, if you tell a life insurance co you are cigarette free, if they test for nicotine and find it, they won't pay out, even if you didn't die of a heart attack, and your lungs are pure as the driven snow. They just won't. It's better to be upfront, while providing as little information as possible. I really don't *like* insurance companies trying to enroll me in wellness programs or otherwise finding out about the state of my health. When I get called to do a "health review" I just politely state that I have my *own* doctors to guide me, and that their job is to PAY said providers to do so, not nanny into my damn health. I may use slightly different words, but I try to use a polite tone... LOL. I just really don't desire to be "coached" by some nurse I don't know.

    Anna
     

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    ... I really don't *like* insurance companies trying to enroll me in wellness programs or otherwise finding out about the state of my health. When I get called to do a "health review" I just politely state that I have my *own* doctors to guide me, and that their job is to PAY said providers to do so, not nanny into my damn health. I may use slightly different words, but I try to use a polite tone... LOL. I just really don't desire to be "coached" by some nurse I don't know.

    Anna

    Oh don't get me started on the wellness programs. I agree, these raise premiums to little or no benefit. Just pay the claim and shut up then leave me alone.
     

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    Oh don't get me started on the wellness programs. I agree, these raise premiums to little or no benefit. Just pay the claim and shut up then leave me alone.

    ^^^This^^^. Just lower my premium by five bucks for every wellness call not made and it'll do more for my health than any of these useless calls could ever do.
     
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