Another mod explodes

[Ou2mame]

If you're going to use lipos, you should learn to respect them. Too many people who have absolutely no knowledge of electrical technology get wrapped up in electrical gadget modding, and they hurt themselves. I used to race rc cars, and I always charged my batteries in a fire proof bag. Having a lipo and a pass through USB charger?! Really? Anyways, thats a bad design plain and simple.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Lawn mowers are old news, like toasters, curling irons, microwaves, and scissors. Besides, it's no fun to pick on common things in such widespread use. If we did that, sooner or later we'd have to admit that all the controls and regulations in the world can't protect us from our own stupidity.

Motorcycles, skateboards, pit bulls, and electronic cigs are a totally different game. Their users can be group-classified as reckless, risk-taking, eccentric outcast cultists who intend to wreak havoc and destruction upon innocent children. I think it's less about regulating the devices, and more about watchdogging the groups using them.

I didn't really want to end up in this can of worms, but cmon man, really? Would you be willing to frame that differently? Perhaps without all the tugging of heartstrings and introduce something empirical here.

What needs to be realized is that there are idiots everywhere. Including operating the keys on this laptop. We're all stupid in one way or another. We're all incredibly smart in one way or another/others. The sooner you learn to embrace that fact and use that knowledge to further your enjoyment in life, the sooner that life gets a lot easier for you.

Stop it with the "but the chilren" crap. We deride that all the time as a weaksauce argument coming from thinktanks, poorly extecuted/interpreted studies and legislators. If it can't fly for them, it doesn't fly from us either. I can do my level best to encourage safe vaping to all the people I run into that it applies to, but at the end of the day, I can't actually make them change their ways. I did my part. Just like I can't make your Uncle Bill lock up his firearms, I can't make your wife's cousin not drink and drive and I can't stop the creepy dude at the convenience store from ogling females and just being, well, creepy.

And, I have a pit bull type dog. (He's a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Ask a brit...) It's not that I"m offended by your assertion that I'm reckless for having him, I'm offended by the total lack of fact or logic in your post. And, it's not just you. I know I'm on a bit of a soapbox right now, but some of y'alls horses are so flippin' tall right now...

Carry on.

I'm pretty sure Jambi was just being sardonic...This is all.

 

[FearTX]

If you're going to use lipos, you should learn to respect them. Too many people who have absolutely no knowledge of electrical technology get wrapped up in electrical gadget modding, and they hurt themselves. I used to race rc cars, and I always charged my batteries in a fire proof bag. Having a lipo and a pass through USB charger?! Really? Anyways, thats a bad design plain and simple.

I have built three highwattage lipo boxes, all are capable of passthrough. If left unattended while charging they are on a fire proof counter with any combustibles far enough away that it does not matter. They have been fine, one of them for over a year. Respect the battery chemistry and know it's limitations.
Fire proof charging bags are cool, like a safety blanket it gives a false sense of security. They are also very effective insulator bags. Kinda like putting someone suffering severe heat stress in a blanket though. You may well trigger full on heat stroke.
A battery of any kind dumping it's current internally (shorting) is not what causes venting, uncontrolled thermal events (runaway heat) caused by excessive current discharge or charge is what causes venting. Lets put heat causing activities in insulated bags.

Seems legit.

 

[DaveP]

i have an idea for mech mod with safety feature that will easily handle super heated battery. maybe i should approach a mod maker.

The answer to safety is the high watt, high amp regulated mod. Stop the process before it reaches critical temps. But then, that only works if you use the right batteries. You can't drive a 10A battery to 100 watts in a regulated mod and expect safety devices to work properly. A 10A battery should be limited to 50 watts at 5V with a .5 ohm coil and that's pushing it to the full 10A. Still dangerous.

Someone will eventually blow up a 100W regulated mod with a cheap battery. The news will be all over it the day it happens. The new DNA40 mods monitor temperature and current load. Those may be the safest devices out there. You protect yourself from over driven batteries as well as limiting the creation of dangerous chemicals that can destroy your lungs.

 

[Ou2mame]

I have built three highwattage lipo boxes, all are capable of passthrough. If left unattended while charging they are on a fire proof counter with any combustibles far enough away that it does not matter. They have been fine, one of them for over a year. Respect the battery chemistry and know it's limitations.
Fire proof charging bags are cool, like a safety blanket it gives a false sense of security. They are also very effective insulator bags. Kinda like putting someone suffering severe heat stress in a blanket though. You may well trigger full on heat stroke.
A battery of any kind dumping it's current internally (shorting) is not what causes venting, uncontrolled thermal events (runaway heat) caused by excessive current discharge or charge is what causes venting. Lets put heat causing activities in insulated bags.

Seems legit.

The problem is most lipos blow up while charging. So a pass through puts a charging battery in your face. I never had a problem with fire proof bags. Some people use cinder blocks, others use the cheap 20 dollar fireproof money boxes... But nobody but ecig users dangle a charging lipo in their face. Another problem is quality. I see people buying the absolute cheapest batteries they can find, and when it comes to a high power battery, quality matters.

 

[Stosh]

.....Another problem is quality. I see people buying the absolute cheapest batteries they can find, and when it comes to a high power battery, quality matters.

Yup...the posts saying "I just bought the Version 3 Wizz-Bang Cloud Chaser for $250 and
scored a truckload of VTC5 on Fleabay for $5 a pop"
"I am soooo good to go now!!!"

<<(doesn't begin to express the sentiment)

 

[CharleyDanger]

I wish they would have went into more depth about it being an unregulated mechanical device that exploded. They were showing ciga-likes and vape pens during the first part of the video. New vapers and non-vapers that see this video (like the women being interviewed) will now think that all vaping device might blow up in their face.

I use a mech mod at home and understand the dangers of it. I watched literally 50+ videos and read at least that many articles on battery safety and rda builds before even buying a mech mod. With soooo much information out there on how to do this safely, how in the hell do you let your mech mod blow in public? I mean I have watched videos of guys trying to get a mech to explode in a controlled environment... they could not do it lol. They only got it to vent. Com'on people.

 

[Ou2mame]

Yup.. I'm not against anything, and I'm not for regulation... But these news stories aren't going to tell you what brand batteries, or how far they were pushed, or how stupid the user.. They will just say, another electronic cigarette changed its users face for the worse. And that isn't good for us.

 

[tj99959]

The problem is most lipos blow up while charging. So a pass through puts a charging battery in your face. I never had a problem with fire proof bags. Some people use cinder blocks, others use the cheap 20 dollar fireproof money boxes... But nobody but ecig users dangle a charging lipo in their face. Another problem is quality. I see people buying the absolute cheapest batteries they can find, and when it comes to a high power battery, quality matters.

As do manufacturers. I found the Lipo that's in the istick20 on Alibaba for 44 cents ea when bought in lots of 10,000. I even posted a picture of the battery in a thread a while back.

 

[zoiDman]

As do manufacturers. I found the Lipo that's in the istick20 on Alibaba for 44 cents ea when bought in lots of 10,000. I even posted a picture of the battery in a thread a while back.

Just curious.

How do you know that the Li-Po you saw on Alibaba is the Same Battery that is Inside every iStick20?

 

[DC2]

Fire proof charging bags are cool, like a safety blanket it gives a false sense of security. They are also very effective insulator bags. Kinda like putting someone suffering severe heat stress in a blanket though. You may well trigger full on heat stroke.
A battery of any kind dumping it's current internally (shorting) is not what causes venting, uncontrolled thermal events (runaway heat) caused by excessive current discharge or charge is what causes venting. Lets put heat causing activities in insulated bags..

For some applications and some batteries, maybe so, although that has not been thoroughly sorted on this forum that I have seen.
But for Ego Twists, which I use, they get charged in high-quality Lipo Bags and I don't think it is a false sense of security in that case.

I'd love to see a big thread where people hash out the details on the wisdom of using Lipo Bags under varying conditions.
But for me, I'll keep using them as the heat issue is a non-issue for my Ego Twists.

 

[DC2]

The problem is most lipos blow up while charging. So a pass through puts a charging battery in your face. I never had a problem with fire proof bags. Some people use cinder blocks, others use the cheap 20 dollar fireproof money boxes... But nobody but ecig users dangle a charging lipo in their face. Another problem is quality. I see people buying the absolute cheapest batteries they can find, and when it comes to a high power battery, quality matters.

And the cheapest Lipo Bags...

 

[tjcraig]

I don't know if it's already been posted and I don't want to go through the 20 pages, but here's another story that came up today out of California:

E-cigarette 'explodes' on teen causing injures to the 17-year-old boy's hand | Daily Mail Online

Not much information, but more ammunition for the bans and regulations to come

 

[tj99959]

Just curious.

How do you know that the Li-Po you saw on Alibaba is the Same Battery that is Inside every iStick20?

18:30 on the video

 

[Robino1]

18:30 on the video

Actually 18:00 into the video. By 18:30 the talk on the battery is over.

 

[zoiDman]

18:30 on the video

OK.

Do you have that Link to Alibaba? I can't seem to find it using 14071601AP via Google.

Thanks.

 

[tj99959]

Actually 18:00 into the video. By 18:30 the talk on the battery is over.

My youtube is slow

It took me over an hour to find it on Alibaba, and I didn't keep the link ....... sorry.

 

[four2109]

I don't know if it's already been posted and I don't want to go through the 20 pages, but here's another story that came up today out of California:

E-cigarette 'explodes' on teen causing injures to the 17-year-old boy's hand | Daily Mail Online

Not much information, but more ammunition for the bans and regulations to come

I want an update on his condition after his parents get done with him.

 

[zoiDman]

My youtube is slow

It took me over an hour to find it on Alibaba, and I didn't keep the link ....... sorry.

No Worries.

I Agree that a Li-Po Battery can be the Wrong Choice for Some Mods. But I also Believe that with Proper Protections, and under Some Conditions, that a Li-Po can be as Safe as a Cell Phone Battery.

Maybe if there were Posts about iStick20 or MVP's or iTastes Exploding left and Right. But I don't think they are. Because I can't recall Ever seeing one. Even though it Probably has happened once or Twice.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

No Worries.

I Agree that a Li-Po Battery can be the Wrong Choice for Some Mods. But I also Believe that with Proper Protections, and under Some Conditions, that a Li-Po can be as Safe as a Cell Phone Battery.

Maybe if there were Posts about iStick20 or MVP's or iTastes Exploding left and Right. But I don't think they are. Because I can't recall Ever seeing one. Even though it Probably has happened once or Twice.

The proofs in the pudding I think...There are Thousands upon thousands of Mvp's out there in real world conditions, being used in pass-through mode and recharged every night and No explosions, deaths, or fires....Goes to show that it can be done and done safely.