Anyone on ECF recovered from Covid19?

[stols001]

I actually don't feel I need to get tested honestly, due to the shortage of tests. If it would change my treatment at this stage of illness, I might be more exercised about it. Honestly, like, I would rather they be given to the really sick people who at least then would have the option of an experimental protocol. There simply aren't enough.

I'm not just taking Tylenol I am using an inhaler, religiously, and I got some medicine they can give you to stop the coughing. I don't feel great, but I feel slightly better. I think it's sort of accurate if you don't get complications you can recover in like, 3 days to a week.

Full PPD was allowed at my work for suspected cases only. I did not agree, even slightly with the mask decision, especially given the "alternative" but rural medicine is like that. I think at the time the CDC was recommending not using N95 masks yet (although they didn't say you couldn't) and paper masks were okay at the time. I don't think they would have approved of the well, paper bag situation. I mean I'm a Social worker it's not like I was touching anyone but like you hand things over, things get signed, etc, Like, I would sanitize my business card if I handed it out. I was more worried about the PATIENTS because I figured in that environment I would eventually get it.

I don't believe, "Stay home unless you think you are gonna die" is terrible advice, actually. The worst thing you can do is contract some OTHER virus at a hospital or whatever I was glad she did not insist I go.

The only time I thought I might die was before bed on my first day. I really was, "Dude, I hope I wake up," but really it's been long enough since my COPD scare I'm a lot less high risk than I was, but like, thank GOD for vaping, COVID would have been really unappealing with an oxygen tank.

I am glad no one panicked, including me. I would agree for the vast majority of healthy folks you are gonna have a rough week and probably your breathing will take a few months to improve completely. I was not mad, sad, freaked out too much or anything else. I am just glad to get it out of the way and to start contributing to herd immunity.

That's the thing. If no one catches it, well, we stay quarantined until a vaccine which is highly unappealing. We need to catch it and get better most of us.

I do think really front line workers and hospitals should have that stuff heck any person working with patients should. I will also say the US is/was woefully underprepared but you do what you have to.

I will also note even when not in crisis, healthcare workers (many of them) are really cavalier. I quit a hospital job once after watching nurses use "standard precautions" in positive air pressure rooms holy god, I mean YOU ARE ENTERING A POSITIVE air pressure room do the world a favor and use your PPD correctly. Jeez.

We just don't do well in the US (or anywhere) with communicable diseases. God help us all if we get a "real" pandemic. It will be short, and ugly.

Anna

 

[Wow1420]

I actually don't feel I need to get tested honestly, due to the shortage of tests. If it would change my treatment at this stage of illness, I might be more exercised about it. Honestly, like, I would rather they be given to the really sick people who at least then would have the option of an experimental protocol. There simply aren't enough.

I'm not just taking Tylenol I am using an inhaler, religiously, and I got some medicine they can give you to stop the coughing. I don't feel great, but I feel slightly better. I think it's sort of accurate if you don't get complications you can recover in like, 3 days to a week.

Full PPD was allowed at my work for suspected cases only. I did not agree, even slightly with the mask decision, especially given the "alternative" but rural medicine is like that. I think at the time the CDC was recommending not using N95 masks yet (although they didn't say you couldn't) and paper masks were okay at the time. I don't think they would have approved of the well, paper bag situation. I mean I'm a Social worker it's not like I was touching anyone but like you hand things over, things get signed, etc, Like, I would sanitize my business card if I handed it out. I was more worried about the PATIENTS because I figured in that environment I would eventually get it.

I don't believe, "Stay home unless you think you are gonna die" is terrible advice, actually. The worst thing you can do is contract some OTHER virus at a hospital or whatever I was glad she did not insist I go.

The only time I thought I might die was before bed on my first day. I really was, "Dude, I hope I wake up," but really it's been long enough since my COPD scare I'm a lot less high risk than I was, but like, thank GOD for vaping, COVID would have been really unappealing with an oxygen tank.

I am glad no one panicked, including me. I would agree for the vast majority of healthy folks you are gonna have a rough week and probably your breathing will take a few months to improve completely. I was not mad, sad, freaked out too much or anything else. I am just glad to get it out of the way and to start contributing to herd immunity.

That's the thing. If no one catches it, well, we stay quarantined until a vaccine which is highly unappealing. We need to catch it and get better most of us.

I do think really front line workers and hospitals should have that stuff heck any person working with patients should. I will also say the US is/was woefully underprepared but you do what you have to.

I will also note even when not in crisis, healthcare workers (many of them) are really cavalier. I quit a hospital job once after watching nurses use "standard precautions" in positive air pressure rooms holy god, I mean YOU ARE ENTERING A POSITIVE air pressure room do the world a favor and use your PPD correctly. Jeez.

We just don't do well in the US (or anywhere) with communicable diseases. God help us all if we get a "real" pandemic. It will be short, and ugly.

Anna

Anna, I don't have time to write all I'd like to, but thanks for sharing your experience and I hope you recover quickly.

If you can get tested, I hope you do so, so it's acknowledged officially.

 

[stols001]

IDK why I need an official acknowledgement? I mean, who cares? I'm pretty sure I have it and dang my fever just went way up, but oy, I just hope I get better. If I'm not substantially better in a few days I will go in for an actual appt and likely get tested. I guess.

Anna

 

[tearose50]

High fever is something one should go to Doctor about. How about trying the on line consultation service I've heard about.?

I do know a few who have had it and recovered. Not family, but friends or associates. General report is "like worse flu you've ever had" and it lasts from 2-3 weeks. One was in 30's and the others in 50's age wise. None were "high risk". None have been tested for long term effects.....and there doesn't seem to be much of that going on anywhere.

It seems to me tests are more available in many areas now than they were just two weeks ago. Some only swab the nose, not the almost to your brain thing. More actual Covid-19 testing going on may be why # of new cases continue to rise or stay level. I'm not so sure about the quality of the anti-body test some states are using nor feel most aren't doing a realistic sampling of people, so I am wary of those results. my 2 cents.

 

[stols001]

I did the telemedicine thing but they don't order COVID tests. I will probably make an appointment tomorrow at my work's adult office it would be smart to get my chest listened to about 5 days into the virus because thanks to my history like, I catch pneumonia like THAT. Even with Albuterol like every 4 hours I am still wheezing and coughing.

Yes it is horrible, so far not life threatening although I must admit I wouldn't enjoy another two weeks of this. Chest is hurting again for some reason I don't understand but I think I shall see a provider in person as like, it would be nice to get evaluated and whatnot since the husband may need to go to Tucson for a couple days.

Oy. I don't feel substantially better or worse other than more chest pain today. But I think a nice bath may be in order shortly.

Anna

 

[Surf Monkey]

Two things:

First, we know that asymptomatic cases outnumber symptomatic ones. We’re not sure by how much but most estimates suggest it’s a high ratio. So it’s very likely that people here and in similar communities report no symptoms amongst them but that some have in fact been exposed to the virus.

Second: the availability of reliable testing is spotty at best. Some urban areas have ready access to them, but for the most part the nation is lacking the millions of tests necessary to determine who does and who doesn’t have the virus.

Carry on.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I did the telemedicine thing but they don't order COVID tests. I will probably make an appointment tomorrow at my work's adult office it would be smart to get my chest listened to about 5 days into the virus because thanks to my history like, I catch pneumonia like THAT. Even with Albuterol like every 4 hours I am still wheezing and coughing.

Yes it is horrible, so far not life threatening although I must admit I wouldn't enjoy another two weeks of this. Chest is hurting again for some reason I don't understand but I think I shall see a provider in person as like, it would be nice to get evaluated and whatnot since the husband may need to go to Tucson for a couple days.

Oy. I don't feel substantially better or worse other than more chest pain today. But I think a nice bath may be in order shortly.

Anna

Take care of yourself. I’m hopeful that testing will ramp up soon.

 

[Wow1420]

That's the thing. If no one catches it, well, we stay quarantined until a vaccine which is highly unappealing. We need to catch it and get better most of us.

I flip-flop on what I think the best route forward is. I've been very careful so far, work from home, get groceries delivered. I'm almost 65, high blood pressure at times, but otherwise healthy. But days like today, I think I should just hang out in a crowded grocery store and get it over with. What happens will happen sooner or later, can't hide forever.

 

[Nermal]

I flip-flop on what I think the best route forward is. .

Me too. Several times a day.

 

[stols001]

I'm glad I am going in tomorrow. Better safe than sorry. Honestly the fever is what is doing me in. I never get long lasting fevers and I hate it the most. Oh, that and I have lost a ton of weight.

IF we would stop "slowing" the curve and took care of folks who were older or high risk, instead herd immunity would be reached sooner and less painfully. Honestly. Once you get there, the world gets pretty safe again and although I heard early on you could catch it twice, I am uncertain if that is actually true. I am guessing faulty tests.

Once the magic number arrives, transmission drops to SO low it's almost nonexistent .Everyone has built up immunity.

I would wait a couple weeks and see what happens with less populated regions and if and when the curve hits at all before deciding one way or another myself.

Otherwise you are in it for a year and a half until a vaccine. That is a LONG time man.

This is such a touchy subject and well, it's annoying, too. But I always like to remind myself of my trusty slogan: We were all born to die. From the moment of our birth we head toward the end of our lives. I have worked in really rough communities and seen terrible things, but I've also found laughter and healing in these places.

I guess you spend 10 years actively suicidal half the year and then its fixed? Holy goodness I can thank lithium for taking THAT away. It makes me more prepared to die. I'm happy I have done much, seen much all that good stuff had the coolest kid (most of the time) and it's all just going to be what it is.

If you work in healthcare I think that attitude is somewhat healthy. I wasn't ever freaked out at work, I was like "You ARE a bunch of nut jobs" at times but well, whatever.

Anna

 

[Daniel Forsyth]

Anyone who thinks this 'herd immunity' is a good thing for everyone is a bloody idiot IMHO.
On what planet is it a great idea to start killing off people?

 

[stols001]

Of course herd immunity is not good for every human being.

To achieve it you need to PROTECT the sick or vulnerable AND create jobs by being willing to bring what they need to their door, sanitize it and knock. This would have been VASTLY less expensive than even the FIRST stimulus package.

You sound like my kid and you are OLD enough to know better frankly. PUBLIC HEALTH tends to lean on my side-- since it's ineffective and will not work to have a 100% quarantine without a LOT of police intervention and since MOST people do not have enough of what they need (except perhaps toilet paper for those of you who... never mind) for the year and a half we would need to get an effective vaccine in decent numbers (and GOSH we should quarantine scientists in search of such a vaccine too, right? ) So an indefinite effective quarantine where we all die of starvation?

Look, if you want to live in that kind of mental state by all means do it.

I'm not an epidemiologist sorry, so I'm not going to state things in a way of mass hysteria. BUT it is actually more rational to KEEP the high risk separate and oh, include those of you with no bravery or civic duty whatsoever, I ALSO think you should freaking self-quarantine too, since I don't want to look at your pathetic face, so include the twits who do not understand life and death.

ONCE you reach herd immunity, THEN all can venture from their homes, and get on with life, etc. It is a quicker method than our half witted quarantine which isn't working anyway.

Can I guarantee no one will die? Of course not. Some people will die, just like every day on the planet earth, but less than if we all lock ourselves down in our homes, and we all run out of food.

It is the worst form of hypocrisy to be dealing with a new virus and think no one will die from it.

Epidemiologists blather ON about "Saving every dang life" and the head of their Society I forget its acronym was actually quoted as saying "We need to incite paranoia." In the NY times. Seriously? I am supposed to take seriously a "scientist" who thinks increasing paranoia is the way to go. DO tell me how that helps anyone act rationally or think anything other than psychotically.

As someone trained in public health, my solutions are not short term ridiculous measures, they actually (if you include social and economic theory which include long term problems like no money, no job, no healthcare and no way to get treatment, being homeless) which result in deaths of FAR more people over a longer and more agonizing period of time. Public Health says "Don't panic, do this, do that, let's set THIS up and that, take reasonable precautions and understand no situation is perfect, but lets do what we can with what we got.

HERD IMMUNITY IS A DESIRABLE GOAL. Achieving it means SOME have to get sick and SOME have to die. I am CERTAINLY ill right now, and that happened caring for some of this country's most vulnerable kiddos without resources, including the resources to adequately protect myself.

I did not quit and self quarantine, I assessed the risks and rewards and made a damn DECISION. If I die (I'm doubting it but I guess I got a few weeks to get out of the woods) I will say upon my death bed, "I regret nothing."

You are at risk of dropping dead at ANY time on ANY piece of the globe. I do not understand why the statement "We are born in order to die" elicits such idiotic responses. IT IS THE TRUTH.

I will die when it is my time, COVID 19 be damned and SO WILL YOU even if you never interact with a human person again.

Herd immunity is desirable as a) it confers the ability to NO longer transmit the virus, and once enough of us reach that status well, the legitimately vulnerable and illegitimately terrified and cowardly can come out of hiding, BECAUSE TRANSMISSION RATES DROP TO EFFECTIVELY ZERO.

Also the quicker we can get the species used to coronaviruses the better, they are relatively new so you WANT immunity. The most robust immunity to my understanding is actually catching the illness although vaccines are nice. You may not be aware for example, that flu vaccinations grow less effective by 10% per decade, so at age 50 you should be getting a booster. I get them free at any age as I work in healthcare.

You are welcome for my willingness to do what a lot of you jerks are too freaking dumb, scared or cowardly to do. Offer up MY life for YOUR future because even with my background my risk is still LOW.

Public health baby, learn about it. We are not heartless. We are not dumb .I have worked and been places in East Baltimore during its worst years, where gunfire was pretty normal to hear. I have been to the two "Scariest" AA meetings in that particular zipcode once because a client asked me to tell my story and the other because "Uh, this is near home, in the wrong direction." I even brought my kid (5) and East Baltimore is totally segregated. It was a women's meeting. I think because I did so they like "Okay she is insane enough to be accepted" and although I brought other people from time to time they were treated like ghosts. I was not and I loved that meeting.

If you are right with your creator there is no need for fear at any time. That is the other side of "We are born to die." Fear also reduces your immune response, so go ahead and get even MORE terrified, it should help you catch COVID and be a statistic. I have no plans for that.

If you think I am about killing people off I'm not. Go hide and die in a cave for all I care (although my public health instincts would find someone to bring you what you need in fact.) Until I was no longer able to due to misguided and moronic political decisions.

Holy Ghost! Talk about trash talk man. Yeah I suck so HARD for doing my appointed job and WONDERING why we must prolong the madness. YET I do not wish ill upon you at all I KNOW you don't understand anything because you are thinking of nothing but TODAY's illness count and how it is rising. That is what happens with a (fairly harmless to most) virus. I am among the ill today. I'm not even SCARED. It is unpleasant but I don't hear death's sickle knocking on my door TODAY so I stick to my rational principles, etc. I have not gone outside. When I go to my Dr. Appt I will be escorted directly to a COVID entrance to a COVID entry room. My testing will be in that room or in a drive up testing location later. I am not out and about, I don't even feel UP to it.

Just shut up if you can't say anything rational. I MEAN IT. I don't like to call anyone dumb but talk about MISINFORMED. It's depressing.

HERD IMMUNITY is the only way out and the only way through a problem that doesn't create WORSE problems is GOING THROUGH IT sometimes. Take a look beyond the end of your NOSE and try to tune out the cowardly thoughts.

GOD.

Anna

 

[Daniel Forsyth]

Of course herd immunity is not good for every human being.

To achieve it you need to PROTECT the sick or vulnerable AND create jobs by being willing to bring what they need to their door, sanitize it and knock. This would have been VASTLY less expensive than even the FIRST stimulus package.

You sound like my kid and you are OLD enough to know better frankly. PUBLIC HEALTH tends to lean on my side-- since it's ineffective and will not work to have a 100% quarantine without a LOT of police intervention and since MOST people do not have enough of what they need (except perhaps toilet paper for those of you who... never mind) for the year and a half we would need to get an effective vaccine in decent numbers (and GOSH we should quarantine scientists in search of such a vaccine too, right? ) So an indefinite effective quarantine where we all die of starvation?

Look, if you want to live in that kind of mental state by all means do it.

I'm not an epidemiologist sorry, so I'm not going to state things in a way of mass hysteria. BUT it is actually more rational to KEEP the high risk separate and oh, include those of you with no bravery or civic duty whatsoever, I ALSO think you should freaking self-quarantine too, since I don't want to look at your pathetic face, so include the twits who do not understand life and death.

ONCE you reach herd immunity, THEN all can venture from their homes, and get on with life, etc. It is a quicker method than our half witted quarantine which isn't working anyway.

Can I guarantee no one will die? Of course not. Some people will die, just like every day on the planet earth, but less than if we all lock ourselves down in our homes, and we all run out of food.

It is the worst form of hypocrisy to be dealing with a new virus and think no one will die from it.

Epidemiologists blather ON about "Saving every dang life" and the head of their Society I forget its acronym was actually quoted as saying "We need to incite paranoia." In the NY times. Seriously? I am supposed to take seriously a "scientist" who thinks increasing paranoia is the way to go. DO tell me how that helps anyone act rationally or think anything other than psychotically.

As someone trained in public health, my solutions are not short term ridiculous measures, they actually (if you include social and economic theory which include long term problems like no money, no job, no healthcare and no way to get treatment, being homeless) which result in deaths of FAR more people over a longer and more agonizing period of time. Public Health says "Don't panic, do this, do that, let's set THIS up and that, take reasonable precautions and understand no situation is perfect, but lets do what we can with what we got.

HERD IMMUNITY IS A DESIRABLE GOAL. Achieving it means SOME have to get sick and SOME have to die. I am CERTAINLY ill right now, and that happened caring for some of this country's most vulnerable kiddos without resources, including the resources to adequately protect myself.

I did not quit and self quarantine, I assessed the risks and rewards and made a damn DECISION. If I die (I'm doubting it but I guess I got a few weeks to get out of the woods) I will say upon my death bed, "I regret nothing."

You are at risk of dropping dead at ANY time on ANY piece of the globe. I do not understand why the statement "We are born in order to die" elicits such idiotic responses. IT IS THE TRUTH.

I will die when it is my time, COVID 19 be damned and SO WILL YOU even if you never interact with a human person again.

Herd immunity is desirable as a) it confers the ability to NO longer transmit the virus, and once enough of us reach that status well, the legitimately vulnerable and illegitimately terrified and cowardly can come out of hiding, BECAUSE TRANSMISSION RATES DROP TO EFFECTIVELY ZERO.

Also the quicker we can get the species used to coronaviruses the better, they are relatively new so you WANT immunity. The most robust immunity to my understanding is actually catching the illness although vaccines are nice. You may not be aware for example, that flu vaccinations grow less effective by 10% per decade, so at age 50 you should be getting a booster. I get them free at any age as I work in healthcare.

You are welcome for my willingness to do what a lot of you jerks are too freaking dumb, scared or cowardly to do. Offer up MY life for YOUR future because even with my background my risk is still LOW.

Public health baby, learn about it. We are not heartless. We are not dumb .I have worked and been places in East Baltimore during its worst years, where gunfire was pretty normal to hear. I have been to the two "Scariest" AA meetings in that particular zipcode once because a client asked me to tell my story and the other because "Uh, this is near home, in the wrong direction." I even brought my kid (5) and East Baltimore is totally segregated. It was a women's meeting. I think because I did so they like "Okay she is insane enough to be accepted" and although I brought other people from time to time they were treated like ghosts. I was not and I loved that meeting.

If you are right with your creator there is no need for fear at any time. That is the other side of "We are born to die." Fear also reduces your immune response, so go ahead and get even MORE terrified, it should help you catch COVID and be a statistic. I have no plans for that.

If you think I am about killing people off I'm not. Go hide and die in a cave for all I care (although my public health instincts would find someone to bring you what you need in fact.) Until I was no longer able to due to misguided and moronic political decisions.

Holy Ghost! Talk about trash talk man. Yeah I suck so HARD for doing my appointed job and WONDERING why we must prolong the madness. YET I do not wish ill upon you at all I KNOW you don't understand anything because you are thinking of nothing but TODAY's illness count and how it is rising. That is what happens with a (fairly harmless to most) virus. I am among the ill today. I'm not even SCARED. It is unpleasant but I don't hear death's sickle knocking on my door TODAY so I stick to my rational principles, etc. I have not gone outside. When I go to my Dr. Appt I will be escorted directly to a COVID entrance to a COVID entry room. My testing will be in that room or in a drive up testing location later. I am not out and about, I don't even feel UP to it.

Just shut up if you can't say anything rational. I MEAN IT. I don't like to call anyone dumb but talk about MISINFORMED. It's depressing.

HERD IMMUNITY is the only way out and the only way through a problem that doesn't create WORSE problems is GOING THROUGH IT sometimes. Take a look beyond the end of your NOSE and try to tune out the cowardly thoughts.

GOD.

Anna

Nice Story, I may make it all the way through some time

Herd Immunity is not good for Any human being. Sick, old or even the very healthy ones.
And if you think otherwise you have rocks in your head
Thanks

 

[Nermal]

Of course herd immunity is not good for every human being.
Anna

Awesome.

 

[dreamvaper]

I don't believe, "Stay home unless you think you are gonna die" is terrible advice, actually.

It Depends,
for example in Austria, more people died of untreated heart attacks at home than from Covid in hospitals cause they were advised that/or were too scared to catch it in a hospital.

Also, I listened for an interview with the IC specialist and he said that pneumonia caused by Covid may severely worsen the state of a patient in just few hours even in the IC.

Anna, do you have the device to check your saturation at home? If it goes 95 and lower you need to go to the hospital ASAP.

 

[dreamvaper]

As for hear immunity, assuming the vaccine will be available for mass market in at least a year/1.5years, we're now gathering it even under a lockdown. It's estimated that ~25% in the UK already have Ig antibodies for Covid.
The ones who didn't catch it (even asymptomatically) now, will catch it later, chances are very high.
The problem with it is that antibodies seems to protect for a much shorter time than usual and even if you had it, you can catch it again in a month or so. Scientists are still looking into that problem tho.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I am still waiting for that AIDS vaccine and have been for near forty years. If that is Fauchi's criteria for total reopening, one never knows for certain because by the the time he adds all of his equivocations and vacillations no one knows what he thinks and he has totally covered (immunized from criticism) himself - I'll be dead, not of Carona but of boredom.

If I have learned anything from the prognostications and recommendations of our public health experts since early January then I have learned that we have no public health experts.

As for hear immunity, assuming the vaccine will be available for mass market in at least a year/1.5years, we're now gathering it even under a lockdown. It's estimated that ~25% in the UK already have Ig antibodies for Covid.

 

[dreamvaper]

I am still waiting for that AIDS vaccine and have been for near forty years

Aids vaccine is a different story. HIV reverse transcription is on of the main problems for creating a vaccine.
Covid is caused by the "good old" coronavirus and there will be a vaccine created in the next 1.5 years almost 100% sure of it

 

[CMD-Ky]

Aids vaccine is a different story. HIV reverse transcription is on of the main problems for creating a vaccine.
Covid is caused by the "good old" coronavirus and there will be a vaccine created in the next 1.5 years almost 100% sure of it

I don't think I will place money on it and I am quite sure that I will avoid taking it, if possible while remaining relatively free.

 

[dreamvaper]

I am quite sure that I will avoid taking it, if possible

why is that?