Are Mechanical Mods Going the Way of the Dodo Bird?

[AndriaD]

Justy to see how Dodoish I felt, I've had my Magma on my Fallen Angel most of the day. Granted, I have a Kick in it, and I'm not one of those extreme vapers, unless it's "extreme PG" but you know... it's vaping. I don't have to create weather, and this Kicked mech vapes as well as anything else I have, and the Magma is better than everything else I have, except my 2 KFL+'s (which family will soon be growing to 3).

Really can't see for the life of me why it's necessary to "choose sides." vape 'em if you got 'em!

Andria

 

[jsl5150]

I can take the Sigelei 150 or my V2 Hex Ohm to work and vape all day on those suckers and never need to even think about changing the batteries. My vape experience has changed for the better. I'm liking running higher .3-.4 ohm builds and running higher watts. They hit hard consistently.

But I still like tinkering with builds and messing around with mods to keep things real. Mechs are are like an art-form and stone cold reliable. Ive had plenty of regulated mods fail, or were just DOA right out of the box so I really do appreciate mech mods quite a bit drawbacks and all.

 

[FlyD]

He popped a simplified version of his question here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-mod-if-you-could-only-choose-one-would.html

 

[Darryl Licht]

He popped a simplified version of his question here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-mod-if-you-could-only-choose-one-would.html

Actually, if you must know... I created the poll after getting several suggestions to do so!

But, nice "SHOT IN THE DARK"!

 

[Ryedan]

Hey, you're back Darryl

I'm surprised the poll is 60% in favor of mech mods over there. I would have thought more people would chose regulated because of the simplicity and extra safety features. Will be interesting to see if it continues this way.

 

[KSS89]

mech mods are still better to look at. most vw, even high end, are little more than a box, a couple buttons, and maybe a logo. mechs, even box mechs, can be skilled works of art. non-aesthetically, you put more time and effort into a mech so its more satisfying to me at least when you DO hit that sweet spot. awww yeeaah *sinks into couch*

 

[gelgoog]

Hey, you're back Darryl

I'm surprised the poll is 60% in favor of mech mods over there. I would have thought more people would chose regulated because of the simplicity and extra safety features. Will be interesting to see if it continues this way.

too bad the dodo never got to vote

 

[dspin]

You like to read into......... reminds me of another...... never mind.

Actually yes, many do DIY - Visit the e-liquid/DIY sub-forums
They also understand more than wrapping a wire tightly around a drill bit. Little things like Resistance, Air Flow, Proper Coil Placement, correct wicking, etc.
Many Mechanical Mod owners are very well versed in how Vaping actually works.

Now, I'd almost bet every Mech owner you saw coming in for Coil builds Bought their Mechanical Mod on the Persuasion of a Sales person or the Recommendation of a trusted friend. If they cannot build a coil, they were duped on either account.

You did notice I did not say ALL mechanical owners, right?
Heck there are some Vapors I have seen that no matter what they try to use, they worry me.

Edit to add: What you may be missing from my lack of information in original post is that Mechanical mods seem to be a Natural progression for many Vapors. Often the Glitz of a fancy Vape Shop environment has long worn off and they remain unseen therefor uncounted.

 

[dspin]

I couldn't agree more! Mechs will fill a niche as electronic regulated box mods take over... imo!

As to parts, sure a mech mod has fewer parts to go wrong in the first place, but there is (or should be) a concern over uneducated newbs using them and possible creating a hand grenade! A regulated mod is inherently safer, not infallible, only safer initially!

I saw more mechs come into the shop with button or 510 post issues yesterday in 4 hours than I did see with box mods. 3 damaged mechs and zero box mods! Also one of the mech mod owners walked out happily with a new Segelei 150 watt box, an Atlantis, and a Mutation X v.3...

Super T P18 2010 - Zero button or post issues

GGTS - many 2010 - Zero Post or Button issues

Caravela - 2013 - Zero post or button issues

GUS - 2014 Zero post or button issues

Titanium Mods - 2014 zero post or button issues

All the above are different types of posts and different buttons - however they are all extremely well made


I wonder what kind of Mechanicals those people brought in



In the end - all must decide for themselves which PV they like best. Everyone is different, but mechanicals will not die out.

 

[AndriaD]

I would personally not choose one or the other -- I like both. But since I always put a Kick in my mechs, I guess I lean more to the regulated side -- my first PV post-cigalikes was an iTaste vv3, and I guess it spoiled me, being able to adjust the vape to my own specs. But I have a couple of mechs now, for just in case -- just in case the FDA decides to hand the whole vaping industry over to either BT or BP.

Andria

 

[cstone1991]

I am really glad to see that most APV users are using regulated devices. The fact is that most vapers, even those using APVs, are not cautious or educated enough to safely use a mech. I cringe when I see a new vaper using a mech because I know that they probably don't even have a clue how dangerous that tube could be, yet alone how to avoid problems. I know all about safety, and I do my best the keep it safe (I never even build above 60% of my battery's constant amp limit), yet I have still had a couple of scares when I forgot to lock my switch and found my mod autofiring in my pocket. If I built at or near the safe limit of my batteries, I would have probably experienced a battery failure during both of those instances, maybe not a pipe bomb type failure, but a failure none the less. I love my mech, but I hope that a time never comes that most vapers are using one unless it is because batteries have advanced to the point of being indestructible even at very very extreme sub ohm levels. I choose not to switch to a regulated device due to reliability (more components to fail in a regulated device), size, and price.

 

[UnclePsyko]

I am really glad to see that most APV users are using regulated devices. The fact is that most vapers, even those using APVs, are not cautious or educated enough to safely use a mech. I cringe when I see a new vaper using a mech because I know that they probably don't even have a clue how dangerous that tube could be, yet alone how to avoid problems. I know all about safety, and I do my best the keep it safe (I never even build above 60% of my battery's constant amp limit), yet I have still had a couple of scares when I forgot to lock my switch and found my mod autofiring in my pocket. If I built at or near the safe limit of my batteries, I would have probably experienced a battery failure during both of those instances, maybe not a pipe bomb type failure, but a failure none the less. I love my mech, but I hope that a time never comes that most vapers are using one unless it is because batteries have advanced to the point of being indestructible even at very very extreme sub ohm levels. I choose not to switch to a regulated device due to reliability (more components to fail in a regulated device), size, and price.

^^^This^^^
I have absolutely no problem when someone uses a mechanical as long as they took the time to learn the safety aspects and the downfalls of the device. I've seen many newcomers treat their mechs with the respect they deserve... I've also seen seasoned vapers who should never have gotten involved due to their unwillingness to take precautions and take unnecessary risks with questionable builds using batteries bought from discount sellers.
I too have had mods fire in my pocket due to what I thought was a locked switch... it happens to just about everyone at some point.
Thankfully I don't build pushing the limits of my batteries.

Being a mechanical mod user exclusively, I think it's great that the newest regulated mods are as popular as they are. The few mech-users that I know that worried me are comfortably using their regulated mods now and I can breathe a bit easier.

Side note... I'm eyeing the iPV Mini 2 - 70W MOD Pioneer4you Greenleaf for myself!

 

[Bad Ninja]

Honestly, I realize most people don't want to take the time to understand ohm's law and battery safety.
In this fast paced disposable society it's par for the course.

If a vaper lacks the understanding and concept of how your device operates, then regulated mods are safer.
However....
Some of us don't need training wheels, nor care for their limitations.

I can vape at .02 ohms safely, because I know what doing.
I spent a few days reading and used the big grey mass in my head to understand battery drain and resistance, so barring an equipment failure, I'm as safe as any one using a regulated mod.

Your limitations aren't mine.

 

[EvilGenius]

I use mech mods after using a box mod and I researched both a lot, to be honest, I smoked 2 packs a day for 23 years and dipped for 6 years in between there while smoking too! I got signs of cancer so I had that taken care of, and said ok time to quit, this was in my mouth and after seeing disfigured faces, well yeah I don't want to look like that or have my jaw removed or die etc

I tried ecigs again, I finally quit smoking after trying the right setup for me at that time, never thought I ever would quit smoking to be honest. I decided to try a box mod, the mvp 2 to be exact, I didn't like it, had too many technical issues with it and found frustration so I kept using my triton but that wasn't enough anymoe as I kept thinking about smoking,

I decided to finally try mech mods, I was a bit scared of all that ohms law and building coils etc but I find it really fun and interesting (not the cotton wicking part, I HATE that) but yeah mech mods and coil building keeps me interested and keeps me away from smoking cigs, box mods, nope I don't find them interesting at all and I know now I would be tempted to smoke again

the smell of cig smoke makes me sick now but that cigarette smoker inside me will have that craving if I don't have ecigs to keep me away

 

[cstone1991]

Honestly, I realize most people don't want to take the time to understand ohm's law and battery safety.
In this fast paced disposable society it's par for the course.

If a vaper lacks the understanding and concept of how your device operates, then regulated mods are safer.
However....
Some of us don't need training wheels, nor care for their limitations.

I can vape at .02 ohms safely, because I know what doing.
I spent a few days reading and used the big grey mass in my head to understand battery drain and resistance, so barring an equipment failure, I'm as safe as any one using a regulated mod.

Your limitations aren't mine.

.02 ohms is 210 amps on a fresh battery. And that isn't even allowing for any margin of error in your ohmmeter. Calling that "as safe as a regulated device" is irresponsible. I wish you luck and hope this doesn't blow up in your face figuratively or literally.

 

[Darryl Licht]

.02 ohms is 210 amps on a fresh battery. And that isn't even allowing for any margin of error in your ohmmeter. Calling that "as safe as a regulated device" is irresponsible. I wish you luck and hope this doesn't blow up in your face figuratively or literally.

LOL!

 

[javyn]

Yeah that's crazy. I like to play it safe and only build down to .15, especially when using my 18350

 

[renacer]

I don't know and I'm not sure how to feel about it because I want a mech mod and if them going out of style makes the price drop all the better for me.

 

[DaveSignal]

.02 ohms is 210 amps on a fresh battery. And that isn't even allowing for any margin of error in your ohmmeter. Calling that "as safe as a regulated device" is irresponsible. I wish you luck and hope this doesn't blow up in your face figuratively or literally.

I am sure that the .02 ohm is a typo. Think about what kind of wire and how many coils you would need to even do that.
This is what I am vaping right now, it is 4 coils with 24 gauge wire, 4 wraps each, comes to .09 ohm. Running it on a mechanical box with dual parallel vtc5 batteries.

Even if I dropped all of those coils to 2 wraps each, I still don't think I would be there. I might be able to do it by wrapping something like four triple parallel coils, but I don't even think it would fit in the posts. Even if I accomplished it with some huge wire and no wraps, I can't imagine it would be a good vape.

 

[Bad Ninja]

.02 ohms is 210 amps on a fresh battery. And that isn't even allowing for any margin of error in your ohmmeter. Calling that "as safe as a regulated device" is irresponsible. I wish you luck and hope this doesn't blow up in your face figuratively or literally.

I never said "as safe as a regulated device".
Please show me the post.
Don't need luck. I have knowledge. Much mo' better

What I said was" safely". I don't vape a build like that, but I have done it. Safely, with no problems.
I've seen lower, but the vape isn't pleasing to me.
You need 20g to get that low. The wire is thick and doesn't heat up
As fast as 24g
I can tell by your responses that none of you should try building that low, nor would I recommend it.


Article you might want to check out/

http://spinfuel.com/fresh-build-friday-20g-macro-coils/


I made the statement to make a point.
Some people do not want or need the many limitations associated with a regulated device.

I have a ZNAclone that gathers dust.