Are you "addicted" to e-cigarettes?

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I'm addicted to vaping yes. I'm addicted to experimenting with new types of coils on my rda, staying up at all hours of the night thinking up my next build, building it and seeing how it will react, even if it completely flops (I believe Edison had the same routine). I'm addicted to the feeling I get when I see a new product that I HAVE to try. And I'm addicted to not feeling like crap every morning and coughing my lungs out, only to walk out on the porch and light another cigarette. So yes. I am addicted to vaping.
 

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Thank you very much I do appreciate that. [emoji4]

There is a bit of a stigma with being diagnosed with something such as a anxiety and mood disorder. it sometimes get you lumped in with the people with multiple personalities and bipolar and stuff like that. it's nowhere near that, it just has a little bit of a stigma attached to it though

I've had ADD since before they knew what ADD was, my son too, and we both do a lot better WITH nicotine than without it.
A good friend of mine who I coached baseball with has a minor case of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder. My kids are dyslexic, each to some degree, just like my wife. They're just considerations that need to be accounted for, not what defines them. Judgement attached to labeling is tough for me to take.

Try this on: YOU don't have ADD, anxiety or a mood disorder. Your BODY does; some chemical imbalance or structure of the neurons and synapses of your brain are the issue. Your body is just a meat casing. You are not the ADD or anxiety disorder; you are who you SAY you are. There's some power and freedom in that if you get it.
 

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A good friend of mine who I coached baseball with has a minor case of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder. My kids are dyslexic, each to some degree, just like my wife. They're just considerations that need to be accounted for, not what defines them. Judgement attached to labeling is tough for me to take.

Try this on: YOU don't have ADD, anxiety or a mood disorder. Your BODY does; some chemical imbalance or structure of the neurons and synapses of your brain are the issue. Your body is just a meat casing. You are not the ADD or anxiety disorder; you are who you SAY you are. There's some power and freedom in that if you get it.

Absolutely. And in my own case, I've discovered that having ADD isn't necessarily a bad thing -- while it can make *switching* one's focus difficult, it actually seems to provide a strong ability to focus on one single clear-cut topic or task, sometimes to the exclusion of ALL else -- a great ability to have, when doing ANYTHING with software or coding. Or reading!

This body has quite a few quirks; for me, maturation has been a process of learning to cope with those quirks in a positive manner -- this brain is an addict from the word GO, but I've learned that I don't have to let it boss me around -- I own it, it doesn't own me.

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Absolutely. And in my own case, I've discovered that having ADD isn't necessarily a bad thing -- while it can make *switching* one's focus difficult, it actually seems to provide a strong ability to focus on one single clear-cut topic or task, sometimes to the exclusion of ALL else -- a great ability to have, when doing ANYTHING with software or coding. Or reading!

This body has quite a few quirks; for me, maturation has been a process of learning to cope with those quirks in a positive manner -- this brain is an addict from the word GO, but I've learned that I don't have to let it boss me around -- I own it, it doesn't own me.

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Glad that you had that figured out. :banana: Sometimes people will self-victimize themselves based on some condition their body is afflicted with, and I think it's sad to see them do that to themselves. The people who get beyond it and determine that "this condition is NOT what is going to define who I am" are the inspiring characters.
 

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... Try this on: YOU don't have ADD, anxiety or a mood disorder. Your BODY does; some chemical imbalance or structure of the neurons and synapses of your brain are the issue. Your body is just a meat casing. You are not the ADD or anxiety disorder; you are who you SAY you are. There's some power and freedom in that if you get it.

This technique if I recall correctly from studies comes from Buddhism or Zazen a bit. Young monks were perplexed their master could not be bound by emotions. He explained emotions are only visitors. It got adopted and cleaned up a bit for Western cognitive behavior therapy as, you are not x emotion, you control x emotion. It is highly effective but I wonder at what cost at times. It teaches us to disassociate I think. we can walk away from what we feel, we're not feeling it.

I am already cleared to do something I learned, ought not have, yet did. I find myself shutting off emotionally at times. This for me is a means to cope. It is painful upon returning from the hiatus. I have to force myself to feel anything, anything at all. And in this shutting down, I do not even feel numbness, I feel nothing the unnamed nothing. I exist but only barely at that point.

Over the past year or two, saw a lot of loved family go onward. It got too much. I spoke with a therapist and suggested I shut off. I've been monitored so as to not go off the rails and become a danger to myself or others. I kept one thing as an anchor, the love for my wife and our critters. Even now, it is hard to gradually return to feeling.

The technique you suggest here does work for its intention. I would suggest people seek professional help though. It can if improperly used cause more harm than what good it is intended to be used to achieve. You may become too aloof and not want to return to take care of yourself.
 

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This technique if I recall correctly from studies comes from Buddhism or Zazen a bit. Young monks were perplexed their master could not be bound by emotions. He explained emotions are only visitors. It got adopted and cleaned up a bit for Western cognitive behavior therapy as, you are not x emotion, you control x emotion. It is highly effective but I wonder at what cost at times. It teaches us to disassociate I think. we can walk away from what we feel, we're not feeling it.

I am already cleared to do something I learned, ought not have, yet did. I find myself shutting off emotionally at times. This for me is a means to cope. It is painful upon returning from the hiatus. I have to force myself to feel anything, anything at all. And in this shutting down, I do not even feel numbness, I feel nothing the unnamed nothing. I exist but only barely at that point.

Over the past year or two, saw a lot of loved family go onward. It got too much. I spoke with a therapist and suggested I shut off. I've been monitored so as to not go off the rails and become a danger to myself or others. I kept one thing as an anchor, the love for my wife and our critters. Even now, it is hard to gradually return to feeling.

The technique you suggest here does work for its intention. I would suggest people seek professional help though. It can if improperly used cause more harm than what good it is intended to be used to achieve. You may become too aloof and not want to return to take care of yourself.
Hmm, not really. I wasn't suggesting becoming emotionally detached. It's the idea of the identity of SELF is not related to the body. My identity comes from what I speak it to be. My word creates my identity and the world I live in.

Descartes said "I think, therefore, I am." But he had to say it for it to become real.
 

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Hmm, not really. I wasn't suggesting becoming emotionally detached. It's the idea of the identity of SELF is not related to the body. My identity comes from what I speak it to be. My word creates my identity and the world I live in.

Descartes said "I think, therefore, I am." But he had to say it for it to become real.

And Buddha said, "think it, therefore it is". Some have seen that mean that if we but think of something it becomes real. Imagine it and it is. Henry Ford also said, "Think you are right, or you're wrong and you are." It takes as much energy in thinking either, and the reality of either is created in merely thinking it. Drat. My apologies, I was not intending to debate. I do not think I am either. We both have valid points. We are seeing these points equally the same and equally differently.

I will invite Richard Bach for tea. We could assuredly use more existentialism in the conversation. My point is we ought to be cautious. I do not condone cowering, nor do I condone the stupidity of full on attacking an army raging at you. Both are as equally dangerous. It is good to go forward. Wiser still to go forward leaving no traces. In this case traces would be harmful effects of distancing Self from emotions. We all, each of us need Id and Ego. You cannot have Light without Dark.
 

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This technique if I recall correctly from studies comes from Buddhism or Zazen a bit. Young monks were perplexed their master could not be bound by emotions. He explained emotions are only visitors. It got adopted and cleaned up a bit for Western cognitive behavior therapy as, you are not x emotion, you control x emotion. It is highly effective but I wonder at what cost at times. It teaches us to disassociate I think. we can walk away from what we feel, we're not feeling it.

I am already cleared to do something I learned, ought not have, yet did. I find myself shutting off emotionally at times. This for me is a means to cope. It is painful upon returning from the hiatus. I have to force myself to feel anything, anything at all. And in this shutting down, I do not even feel numbness, I feel nothing the unnamed nothing. I exist but only barely at that point.

Over the past year or two, saw a lot of loved family go onward. It got too much. I spoke with a therapist and suggested I shut off. I've been monitored so as to not go off the rails and become a danger to myself or others. I kept one thing as an anchor, the love for my wife and our critters. Even now, it is hard to gradually return to feeling.

The technique you suggest here does work for its intention. I would suggest people seek professional help though. It can if improperly used cause more harm than what good it is intended to be used to achieve. You may become too aloof and not want to return to take care of yourself.

This sounds a lot like the instinctive method I've always used, to not let negative emotions overwhelm me -- what some therapists, and I, call "stuffing" emotions -- just shoving it down, out of sight, out of mind... actually a form of denial, I think. It's how my depression works -- depression allows me to stuff all those things I don't want to feel... the downside is that they haven't actually gone anywhere, they're all still there, and ONE DAY, they will emerge, usually distilled into such a potent mix of rage and pain that I or someone else or some object gets hurt.

This was how I coped, when I was too young to drink; once I started drinking, it facilitated the stuffing, but even after I got sober, the stuffing didn't stop; in AA sometimes it's known as "harboring resentments," and is widely known to be detrimental to sobriety -- just because eventually those stuffed and harbored feelings do emerge, and if we're not ready to cope with them, it *can* lead to a drinking relapse -- I had an instance of the emergence when I was just about 15 yrs sober, and my depression was all mingled with PTSD and peri-menopause -- basically a perfect storm of the worst possible emotions, but fortunately, I didn't drink, I maintained my sobriety because it had become... a habit. :D But it took 2 yrs of Effexor and some good therapy to get past it. Now if I feel something, I try to let it out immediately, or as soon as I can, so it doesn't sit inside me and ferment.

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Well, I can't say for sure as I've never tried to quit. I can tell you one thing though; there have been uncountable times when I forgot about vaping altogether and thought to myself, "I should probably take a hit". In my 25+ years of smoking I never forgot to smoke.

OMG that is so true - I never forgot to smoke an analog - ever. I always have my vape close at hand but it is way different now for me. A first I was kind of compulsive about taking it with me everywhere (like an Analog). And I did have that need to vape almost always - similar to an analog - but really that has passed. Now sometimes (because I do carry it mostly with me all the time) when I am running out for a quick errand I look at the vape on my desk and say to myself, "Nah - I don't need it - I'll just leave it here because I will be right back."

It's pretty significant to me because even though I am not "that old" I starting smoking analogs at 10 1/2 or 11 (how awful) and smoked heavily and regularly for nearly 40 years.

Vaping is so much better ---
 
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I love reading all the psychobabble and mysticism and fortune cookie psychology and pseudo BS scientific chemical views on addiction. Someone needs to post some Facebook platitudes next. SELF KNOWLEDGE will NEVER help real addiction. SELF KNOWLEDGE will simply keep you addicted.
You sound stressed. Come, lie on the couch...
 
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