WELL SAID!!
hmmm, thinking I should pull the trigger on one last order of some picos and istick 200s from wov to add to the stash since they always get to me in a few days. My mods stockpile is dwarfed by the stock of rtas.
I don't think i have mellowed at all since starting vaping.
Vaping didn't make me more intense. Just passionate about helping people get off the cancer sticks because those things KILL!
I had held off on some Fasttech items thinking they would likely be available for some time. Most all I planned on are in stock or ships next day, so I went for it this morning. I'm glad it's nothing crucial to me vaping for the years to come, just some optional stuff it would be nice to have. It's under $100 so I have some optimism, but it's time to buckle up for the bumpy ride.
For my wife and I it is a relief that our needed stock is in place for a good 10-15 years. I suspect many are only going to realize what's happening when the choke points pop up everywhere, giving them few choices. I feel sad for most average vapers who only have a vape shop and media reports to keep them informed and are going to be blind sided. I hope most can continue vaping in some form. Those who are here on ECF and have kept their heads in the sand made an informed choice so I have little empathy.
Damn the FDA, BT and BP, all contributing to the increased sickness and death these regs will cause.
For my wife and I it is a relief that our needed stock is in place for a good 10-15 years. I suspect many are only going to realize what's happening when the choke points pop up everywhere, giving them few choices. I feel sad for most average vapers who only have a vape shop and media reports to keep them informed and are going to be blind sided. I hope most can continue vaping in some form. Those who are here on ECF and have kept their heads in the sand made an informed choice so I have little empathy.
Damn the FDA, BT and BP, all contributing to the increased sickness and death these regs will cause.
SB 438 Senate Bill - Bill Analysis
Mail Delivery
Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act (PACT Act)
is a federal law, amongst other things, that prohibits the
delivery of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco through the United
States Postal Service (USPS). This prohibition does not apply
to other forms of shipment, such as FedEx and UPS.
Some concerns have been raised by the opposition that SB 140, by
defining e-cigarettes as a "tobacco product," will place
e-cigarettes under the provisions of the PACT Act, specifically
the USPS prohibition. Opposition cites this as potentially
damaging to the industry, since a large portion of their sells
are done online and delivered to the consumer.
According to an informal opinion by Legislative Counsel, SB 140
would not be subject to the provision in question under the PACT
Act. The provision states: "All cigarettes and smokeless
tobacco are non-mailable and shall not be deposited in or
carried through the mails. The United States Postal Service
shall not accept for delivery or transmit through the mails any
package that it knows or has reasonable cause to believe
contains any cigarettes or smokeless tobacco made non-mailable
by this paragraph." The language clearly states that only
"cigarettes and smokeless tobacco" are prohibited from being
delivered by USPS. The PACT Act would have to be amended at the
federal level to include e-cigarettes for this provision to apply.
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This is to do with a California bill in regards to the PACT Act, but I would think this would hold true for the FDA deeming as well. From a little reading, I think we'd likely be seeing age verification requirements besides just in CA.
Mail Delivery
Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act (PACT Act)
is a federal law, amongst other things, that prohibits the
delivery of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco through the United
States Postal Service (USPS). This prohibition does not apply
to other forms of shipment, such as FedEx and UPS.
Some concerns have been raised by the opposition that SB 140, by
defining e-cigarettes as a "tobacco product," will place
e-cigarettes under the provisions of the PACT Act, specifically
the USPS prohibition. Opposition cites this as potentially
damaging to the industry, since a large portion of their sells
are done online and delivered to the consumer.
According to an informal opinion by Legislative Counsel, SB 140
would not be subject to the provision in question under the PACT
Act. The provision states: "All cigarettes and smokeless
tobacco are non-mailable and shall not be deposited in or
carried through the mails. The United States Postal Service
shall not accept for delivery or transmit through the mails any
package that it knows or has reasonable cause to believe
contains any cigarettes or smokeless tobacco made non-mailable
by this paragraph." The language clearly states that only
"cigarettes and smokeless tobacco" are prohibited from being
delivered by USPS. The PACT Act would have to be amended at the
federal level to include e-cigarettes for this provision to apply.
-------------------------------------
This is to do with a California bill in regards to the PACT Act, but I would think this would hold true for the FDA deeming as well. From a little reading, I think we'd likely be seeing age verification requirements besides just in CA.
I did warn the new preppers to order the nicotine base NOW to have it in tge Pipeline before DDay.
Thanks Vandal. I was trying to find a simplified version to post as to why I believed the PACT act would need to be revised before it included our ecigs. This fits what I was looking for. Guess we'll have to wait and see if its correct. Although, as I've said before, I do expect there may be some postal workers out in the wild that may attempt to impose restrictions based on their personal opinion as they've done in isolated cases in past years.
As I posted in another thread, I see no reason why the FDA would want to inspect our international packages unless they are looking for items released after 8/8. I think we should be able to keep purchasing items released before 8/8 from anywhere in the world, for the time being. Until the end of the year perhaps.
My thing I was having a hard time understanding is when vaping is deemed a tobacco product does that "automatically" make all rules that apply to cigarettes apply to vaping products. Still can't say I'm totally sure on anything at this point. Just frustrated like we all are. I'm stocked up, but would be nice to have a clear understanding exactly what to expect.
I wonder if my new Provari blem that I an sending back for a warranty repair will get confiscated ? Now that would suck, just something else to worry about though. After all the name on the shipping label says Provape. They may want to change the name for a couple years. I will let you guys know if it makes it.
Those guys are quick and should have it back in plenty of time before 8/8. I am still getting vape mail so you should be good.
I haven't read the directive yet from the FED/customs that says vendors have until 12/31/16 to get their Import license but if that's true, then it would seem to me that any inspections by customs of suspected vaping stuff 8/8/16 - 12/31/16 could only be to verify all items were on the market prior to 8/8/16.
There could be a problem since Import licenses are only given to businesses and not individuals so I guess it's possible that individuals purchasing vaping stuff "could" be in violation of import laws on 8/8/16. That's why I've been watching for customs to update their website to include their policy on personal import of ecig stuff.
I don't recall seeing too many vape names on my packages. Just an address. I bought two mechs a few weeks ago and it only listed an address. Same with a few other US retailers recently.
If everything that applied to cigarettes automatically applied to e-cigarettes, then I would think the FDA would have had no need to have new regulations for e-cigs. I expect the definition of 'e-cigarette' to be consistent between the federal and state governments. JMO.
Tobacco licenses are only given to businesses, not individuals. They are a license to sell tobacco products. Not a license to own tobacco products.
FT question. I put my order in and just now took a look at it. Due to ship in 5 days. There is an option to request "discreet shipping". Anyone know what this means, and is it a good idea.
Our local radio talk show host, who is also a vaper has not mentioned one word of any of this. He is very outspoken and to the point and opinionated about most things but nothing about deeming regs. Makes you wonder ha. Are your local media talking heads saying anything ? Just thinking out loud. Is the media supposed to be hush hush on all this or something.
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