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The rules as they stand today. It's the death by a thousand cuts. One day it will be illegal to vape. They won't outright ban it, but it will be illegal to vape in rental properties, government housing, outdoors, etc. insurance companies will deny coverage. FB and Twitter will ban it, and everyone else will follow suit. It started back with FDA v Solterro and continues today.

And all the While in the UK their Health Ministry is Promoting e-Cigarettes for those who wish to Quit Smoking.

How the British Approach to Vaping Puts the US to Shame
 

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If I visit Thailand can I bring my gear or is this for locals only? I have plenty of gear and receipts to grandfather it in.
India...I have avoided business trips there for decades so. I bet the hotels and businesses I work with wouldn't be an issue if I get through customs at the airport. Honestly I travel a lot and the only issue I have ever had was walking through customs in China several years back. Good thing I had a few on me that day. I kept thinking that most of the vape gear most people carry came from the region I was visiting.

They did in India. Illegal to simply possess vape therefore anyone who stockpiled before the ban is illegally possessing.
The Unfolding Tragedy of India's Vape Prohibition

They also did it in Thailand. Illegal to possess under the grounds that it is illegal to import. If you possess it you must have imported it therefore you are in violation of illegally importing a restricted product.
Vaping in Thailand is Illegal. The Laws and Penalties in 2020.

But I get it, this isn't Thailand or India. But it's not the USA anymore either.



Well, maybe not a brand new mod or a brand new atty, but what about nicotine? Could they not train dogs to stiff-out nicotine freebase and salt?
Just playing devil's advocate here.
 
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If I visit Thailand can I bring my gear or is this for locals only?

I have no idea, not an expert. But if that article is telling the truth, then I don't see why it would not apply to everyone since it's illegal to import. If it were legal for a foreigner to import, then that intentionally (or idiotically) creates a black market.
 

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I have no idea, not an expert. But if that article is telling the truth, then I don't see why it would not apply to everyone since it's illegal to import. If it were legal for a foreigner to import, then that intentionally (or idiotically) creates a black market.
Then I will probably avoid it.
I was worried a few years ago about going into Philippines for the first time. At the airport a young man pulled a mod out of my carry on from the xray and had it in his hand (I had spares in checked...not batteries of course).
He pulled out his mod and showed me how big a "cloud" it made (back in the day when this was a big thing).
I politely told him how long I had been vaping and gave him a big thumbs ups for not smoking. I have had a few of these encounters in my travels.
I was always amazed at how many people in China were curious about vaping (cigs are cheap there).
 

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Ok. Who is they?

If I may interject, "they" would be the same "people" who figured out how to check for cotinine.

If the powers that be want to know who is vaping as opposed to smoking (for insurance purposes or whatever other reason(s)) they would commission "them" to figure out how to figure that out...IF it's even possible.
 

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If I may interject, "they" would be the same "people" who figured out how to check for cotinine.

If the powers that be want to know who is vaping as opposed to smoking (for insurance purposes or whatever other reason(s)) they would commission "them" to figure out how to figure that out...IF it's even possible.
OK. So if that test could be created would an insurer put cig people and vapers in the same boat or one better than the other. From my experience I see both in the same boat right now and punish them the same way.
Interestingly now my insurance only puts a punishment tax on tobacco products so I use synthetic nic if and when I decide to vape nicotine.
 
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    OK. So if that test could be created would an insurer put cig people and vapers in the same boat or one better than the other. From my experience I see both in the same boat right now and punish them the same way.
    Interestingly now my insurance only puts a punishment tax on tobacco products so I use synthetic nic if and when I decide to vape nicotine.

    But if they decide to test you, it's for nicotine use, not tobacco use. You'd fail even with synthetic nicotine.
     

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    OK. So if that test could be created would an insurer put cig people and vapers in the same boat or one better than the other. From my experience I see both in the same boat right now and punish them the same way.

    Now. But what about 6 months from now? The USA is apparently, without question, anti-vape and spreads lies about how vape is dangerous (without any hard proof, yet we do have possible proof that it is safer right here on this forum). It's to the degree that they seem to insinuate that it's safer to smoke than vape. Therefore, it would be not far-fetched that they would someday deem vaping riskier and therefore cause insurance premiums for vapers to increase over that of a smoker.

    To understand the USA govt and the corporations that run it, think like a criminal, a gangster. Suddenly it all "makes sense".
     

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    But if they decide to test you, it's for nicotine use, not tobacco use. You'd fail even with synthetic nicotine.
    My insurance states tobacco products not nic. If they test for nic then people trying to stop on "approved" products and heavy vegetable eaters may test positive. I am not too concerned about that. It would only come up if I had a big bill.
    Insurance is the "them" to me.
     

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    That post led me to picture a group of pod totin' seniors being led out of a nursing home into a paddy wagon. It made me laugh during these dark days.

    When my mom who is 84 went into a nursing/assisted living facility last year in the rules it stated vaping was prohibited but smoking was allowed outdoors... I know because she flipped out on me the first time I visited her, she forced me to read the rules, because I vape, because she hates that I vape, not because I was vaping at that moment.
     

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    My insurance states tobacco products not nic. If they test for nic

    It's my understanding that they don't test for tobacco or nicotine, rather cotinine. And it could be that they only consider you a "tobacco user" if a certain amount is detected (but I don't know that).
     

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    Here's a kind of interesting (and even comic) read about cotinine testing from Quest Diagnostics.
    The facts about cotinine - what life insurers need to know

    I don't think that an insurer is going to deem you as a non-tobacco user if you are using a smoking cessation product to quit tobacco. You are still a tobacco user to them if you're using nicotine in any form. They veiw nicotine as unsafe, not just tobacco use itself. They can;t detect if the continie in your urine is coming from smoking or chewing or a nic patch. For all they know, you are addicted to nic patches or gum or whatnot. That's unhealthy in their eyes.
     

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    Going through my stash I found like 4 Resa Prince tanks I bought. They're made of glass which is nice considering I'm wishing I didn't buy so much painted stuff. My current painted tank is flaking all over the place, outside only so it's not a huge deal but I like that I have 4 tanks that won't flake in addition to the stainless one's I have on the way.

    Can't imagine I need anything else and if I didn't buy it at this point I can probably trade for it. I'm not too worried about transporting vape stuff peer to peer through the mail. With the actually illegal stuff I've seen shipped all over this country I doubt a mod and a few tanks gets stopped often.
     

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