I've I stepped in 50 shades book club?
I know I wasn't the only one thinking it!
Yes distilled water, a few drops until you get your consistency for good wickingOk so can I vape distilled water from the grocery store or what? Cmon guys back on topic I'm standing outside the grocery store here.
thanks for the info!
3 min in for those of you catching up. Skimmed this video yesterday while the Taryn spin was brought up, missed that part.
Nope. The release was prior to 8/8. There are even some preview videos up and the Smok website for the Power Engine was up, all before 8/8.
Well if anyone is up for trying it, emu oil is great for burned skin
You heard it here first LOL
Because there will always be those who push the limits and think 200w is just too sissy for them. I've never vaped at 200w. Or 150w. I have devices that can reach there, I've tried it. I like to taste my juice, not cook it.
OK, a week ago we were buying boxes of cartos from 2010 and now this week a 400 watt device is a NO GO.
Ahhhhh... no I'll probably buy two of them. This is going to be a very very very limited production run. They made it just under 8/8. You'll be able to show it to your grand kids one day! For giggles you can fire it up.
Earlier in the year I was trying to get my hands on a PIP Box that holds, I think it was 6 to 10 - 18650s. They were handmade. Same reason. The nostalgia. I finally got a hold of a guy with one, and he wanted to sell it, then balked. I think he suddenly knew to hold on to it.
This era is at a dead end. Get them while they're hot!
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It's all about trip hop and deep house these days old man.
No. I'm wrong. Huge apologies. Zeppelin perhaps the best of all time, they contend with the stones and pink floyd.
Your a lucky man. And now you've got a vape as well.
I've rambled too much though. As always everyone, a pleasure.
I'll come and annoy you tomorrow xoxo
Pink Floyd and the Stones contend with Zeppelin , in my book the Mighty Zepp were the best of all time.
OK, a week ago we were buying boxes of cartos from 2010 and now this week a 400 watt device is a NO GO.
Ahhhhh... no I'll probably buy two of them. This is going to be a very very very limited production run. They made it just under 8/8. You'll be able to show it to your grand kids one day! For giggles you can fire it up.
Earlier in the year I was trying to get my hands on a PIP Box that holds, I think it was 6 to 10 - 18650s. They were handmade. Same reason. The nostalgia. I finally got a hold of a guy with one, and he wanted to sell it, then balked. I think he suddenly knew to hold on to it.
This era is at a dead end. Get them while they're hot!
Likewise @Tommy-Chi , something cool to show off to fellow vapers or a vape shop for sure. My device for that is my Axis M17 half stabilized wood half rainbow acrylic $495.00 (half my months rent), I'm still paying off my cc for that purchase -.- It never leaves my car. I only have around 8 really devices in my house, a case (thread here) in my backpack that has supplies and backup devices for out and about travel, and 1 that never leave the car, my M17. I wish I had more like everyone else here.. especially YOU. lol It's cool, I never get a copy or backup device (except Noisy Cricket), I enjoy variety, or rare devices. I might do like a repeat mini version of a device I already have, like this M17 Mini..
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OK, a week ago we were buying boxes of cartos from 2010 and now this week a 400 watt device is a NO GO.
Ahhhhh... no I'll probably buy two of them. This is going to be a very very very limited production run. They made it just under 8/8. You'll be able to show it to your grand kids one day! For giggles you can fire it up.
Earlier in the year I was trying to get my hands on a PIP Box that holds, I think it was 6 to 10 - 18650s. They were handmade. Same reason. The nostalgia. I finally got a hold of a guy with one, and he wanted to sell it, then balked. I think he suddenly knew to hold on to it.
This era is at a dead end. Get them while they're hot!
That RDA in the photo looks like a stainless Troll with a custom white chuff cap, I could be mistaken. Set up looks nice altogether, very big though, how the heck do you lift that thing with all 10 18650s, I'm only thinking it's heavy because the photo compared to that 22mm RDA, really big, plus it looks like they used very good quality stainless for the mod. I'll be getting my first 3 battery device here shortly, the RX2/3, got it in Cyan (Tiffany Blue) and Grey. Can't wait to see my postman! Sometime tomorrow or Tuesday.
Ok, placed another FT order since the SUMMER coupon code is on! My first order since 8/8. (from anywhere)
Well I see it differently. I think people don't fully understand resources, money, and personnel models.
And the impact is only IF the deeming regs remain as they are now.........(which they won't.)
1) I watch what billionaires like Sean Parker, Peter Thiel, Jan Verleur, etc. are doing. Not what scared vapers are doing. the billionaires in france and elsewhere with names I can't pronounce and that you never heard of are many as well. (you know that old expression follow the money.) There are so many billionaires in the ecig industry (here and worldwide) I think it is pretty naive that anyone thinks they are just gong to walk away and sell pet rocks or something.
2) "Down the line" will be decades from now. Because lawsuits are going to delay much of it. Predicate dates will get changed as well. Even the FDA has already said it will be looking for ways to reduce this impact—such as letting manufacturers file one PMTA for multiple flavors, etc. I expect this to get even further diluted as the push back and lawsuits rumble.
3) How many years/decades did it take for patches and gum to be reclassified from prescription to OTC status? That is how long it takes the FDA to "accomplish" things.
4) Please explain how, given the manpower they have, that the FDA is going to be able to process a piece of submitted paper for every single "part" of every single piece of vaping hardware out there....let alone for ejuices? It will take........years/decades.
Some of you actually think they *want* to do all that work. They don't.
At any rate, hope they are planning on building out another building/industrial complex, and hiring lots more personnel. 5) Some of you don't seem to understand that many billionaires and millionaires are operating in this market. (That aren't BT). Competition in so many markets and it's very......... cutthroat.
6) Given that the rest of the real-world supply chain isn't even in the US:
Now on top of FDA manpower, you're tellling me US Customs and the USPS, FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. is going to add personnel to their organizations, as well as forms and paperwork....... just to dedicate themselves to vapers and vaping?
When only about 10% of the nation vapes??You are talking gearing up by 5+ different organizations just to address something only 10% of the population engages in. Talk about not understanding how money and staffing works.
7) Even TPD affected - vapers in Australia, etc. are using Fasttech and the other China vendors just fine. Even in places where nicotine is said to be illegal most all of them allow "nicotine for personal use".
As for price increases and taxes.....Remember when they kept raising the prices of cigarettes? The FDA regulates cigarettes and tobacco products. Some people quit because they didn't want to pay it..........but most didn't. Regulation didn't make cigarettes unavailable.
Vaping stuff has always had a mark up of about 200-400% , eliquid has been more than that. I can make 30ml for $1.25 or less.....and some vendors are charging $28. You do the math. People still bought. And will continue to buy.
(the eliquid market is so over-saturated now, you could do away with a few thousand flavors and nobody would even notice). The new thing that they are cashing in on now, in the real world supply chain, is DIY supplies. Nobody needs or wants 200,000 vendor eliquids.
An industry with a projected $20 billion of sales ripe for the plucking, you guys think it is going to just "go away"? Nobody is gonna walk away from that table, and Big Tobacco already knows they aren't going to be the only major player (because they already have figures on their products and sales figures and they know that their cigalikes aren't outselling chinese stuff). This idea that the vaping industry will be 'handed to them' is malarky......they don't WANT to concentrate in a market with products that won't sell and won't make them any money.....they are making 100X that much on cigarettes. Yes, they will get a piece of vaping but they can't *deliver* and they know that, so they are not going to set themselves up for putting all their eggs into a failed market venture.
7) The FDA just wants to cover its ..... It has to show it is somehow "protecting" health, esp of children. They will show they are doing their job with age restrictions, online age verification, batch numbers, lot numbers, and ingredient labels (OTC risk-benefit is a big plus in their eyes, and I agree). It will be many decades before any definitive studies can show vaping is as dangerous as cigarettes (not to mention those studies will never prove that anyway.)
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what you all are seeing.
So, I will be spending my money buying the land/acreage next door to me rather than stockpiling a bunch of cheap chinese junk that won't be worth anything in 2018.........Between now and October, maybe a few months into 2017, things will be a little rough. Then, stuff will start to happen. Most everything right now is *temporary* and all people do is keep reading regulations w/out even considering the actual MANPOWER it would take to accomplish it "as it stands now". They will also be battling lawsuits, etc.
I may not be right. I guess I will bookmark this post and revisit it in August of 2018.
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and PS: The 8/8 date has no meaning to the vast real world supply chain in Asia, except that we account for about 20-25% of their biz. They can freely sell whatever they want in the rest of the world that doesn't have the FDA.
Nobody here wants to discontinue anything. Too much tax $$ at stake.
Of course, they did that with cigarettes too, and people just continued to smoke (before vaping).
when people will buy ejuice for 800% markup ($28 for 30ml I can make for $1.20) it doesn't really *seem* like the ecig market is overly price sensitive?
(I've already read about people spending $5K on stocking up....and even before that, same amount on just hobby and toys......) There is and always will be a huge market.
Nobody here wants to discontinue anything. Too much tax $$ at stake.
Of course, they did that with cigarettes too, and people just continued to smoke (before vaping).
when people will buy ejuice for 800% markup ($28 for 30ml I can make for $1.20) it doesn't really *seem* like the ecig market is overly price sensitive?
(I've already read about people spending $5K on stocking up....and even before that, same amount on just hobby and toys......) There is and always will be a huge market.
Well I see it differently. I think people don't fully understand resources, money, and personnel models.
And the impact is only IF the deeming regs remain as they are now.........(which they won't.)
1) I watch what billionaires like Sean Parker, Peter Thiel, Jan Verleur, etc. are doing. Not what scared vapers are doing. the billionaires in france and elsewhere with names I can't pronounce and that you never heard of are many as well. (you know that old expression follow the money.) There are so many billionaires in the ecig industry (here and worldwide) I think it is pretty naive that anyone thinks they are just gong to walk away and sell pet rocks or something.
2) "Down the line" will be decades from now. Because lawsuits are going to delay much of it. Predicate dates will get changed as well. Even the FDA has already said it will be looking for ways to reduce this impact—such as letting manufacturers file one PMTA for multiple flavors, etc. I expect this to get even further diluted as the push back and lawsuits rumble.
3) How many years/decades did it take for patches and gum to be reclassified from prescription to OTC status? That is how long it takes the FDA to "accomplish" things.
4) Please explain how, given the manpower they have, that the FDA is going to be able to process a piece of submitted paper for every single "part" of every single piece of vaping hardware out there....let alone for ejuices? It will take........years/decades.
Some of you actually think they *want* to do all that work. They don't.
5) Some of you don't seem to understand that many billionaires and millionaires are operating in this market. (That aren't BT). Competition in so many markets and it's very......... cutthroat.
6) Given that the rest of the real-world supply chain isn't even in the US:
Now on top of FDA manpower, you're tellling me US Customs and the USPS, FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. is going to add personnel to their organizations, as well as forms and paperwork....... just to dedicate themselves to vapers and vaping?
You are talking gearing up by 5+ different organizations just to address something only 10% of the population engages in. Talk about not understanding how money and staffing works.
7) Even TPD affected - vapers in Australia, etc. are using Fasttech and the other China vendors just fine. Even in places where nicotine is said to be illegal most all of them allow "nicotine for personal use".
As for price increases and taxes.....Remember when they kept raising the prices of cigarettes? The FDA regulates cigarettes and tobacco products. Some people quit because they didn't want to pay it..........but most didn't. Regulation didn't make cigarettes unavailable.
Vaping stuff has always had a mark up of about 200-400% , eliquid has been more than that. I can make 30ml for $1.25 or less.....and some vendors are charging $28. You do the math. People still bought. And will continue to buy.
(the eliquid market is so over-saturated now, you could do away with a few thousand flavors and nobody would even notice). The new thing that they are cashing in on now, in the real world supply chain, is DIY supplies. Nobody needs or wants 200,000 vendor eliquids.
An industry with a projected $20 billion of sales ripe for the plucking, you guys think it is going to just "go away"? Nobody is gonna walk away from that table, and Big Tobacco already knows they aren't going to be the only major player (because they already have figures on their products and sales figures and they know that their cigalikes aren't outselling chinese stuff). This idea that the vaping industry will be 'handed to them' is malarky......they don't WANT to concentrate in a market with products that won't sell and won't make them any money.....they are making 100X that much on cigarettes. Yes, they will get a piece of vaping but they can't *deliver* and they know that, so they are not going to set themselves up for putting all their eggs into a failed market venture.
7) The FDA just wants to cover its ..... It has to show it is somehow "protecting" health, esp of children. They will show they are doing their job with age restrictions, online age verification, batch numbers, lot numbers, and ingredient labels (OTC risk-benefit is a big plus in their eyes, and I agree). It will be many decades before any definitive studies can show vaping is as dangerous as cigarettes (not to mention those studies will never prove that anyway.)
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what you all are seeing.
Between now and October, maybe a few months into 2017, things will be a little rough. Then, stuff will start to happen. Most everything right now is *temporary* and all people do is keep reading regulations w/out even considering the actual MANPOWER it would take to accomplish it "as it stands now". They will also be battling lawsuits, etc.
I may not be right. I guess I will bookmark this post and revisit it in August of 2018.
I hope you're right on every single account. That said the 4L of nic I purchased during the "stockpile" and learning to DIY juice instead of paying a mid priced juice vendor, and not having to pay state tax, is going to far offset (5) mods, (9) tanks, misc parts, and whatever else I buy before they manage to even slow us down.
But seriously, I loved your post. I've been hoping to see some more optimism around here!
It's not optimism. I felt it was a reality check.
It took the FDA over a decade to just move NRT patches from behind the prescription counter to OTC.
(Might have been 2 decades? They are big on good instruction booklets, they are big on informing the consumer with labeling, so they can determine risk, etc. Takes a while to even accomplish THAT).
I suspect that there are plenty of big vaping concerns that will have their attorneys play the old "bury them in paperwork" approach, not to mention with "applications" and requests for more time, etc.
We can't even keep illegals and drugs out, the measly 10% of vapers in the U.S. are really NOT going to consume the resources of all the big agencies.
(I'm sure we are not at the top of the list on anything).I am glad you stocked up and feel safe. I'm certainly not against that, just that I have an "investment plan" in the works that involves additional land and property, so I had to choose where to spend my disposable income. Sometimes you gotta make choices. I know for SURE they aren't making any more land that borders the national forest so it was sorta an easy choice for me.
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Well I see it differently. I think people don't fully understand resources, money, and personnel models.
And the impact is only IF the deeming regs remain as they are now.........(which they won't.)
1) I watch what billionaires like Sean Parker, Peter Thiel, Jan Verleur, etc. are doing. Not what scared vapers are doing. the billionaires in france and elsewhere with names I can't pronounce and that you never heard of are many as well. (you know that old expression follow the money.) There are so many billionaires in the ecig industry (here and worldwide) I think it is pretty naive that anyone thinks they are just gong to walk away and sell pet rocks or something.
2) "Down the line" will be decades from now. Because lawsuits are going to delay much of it. Predicate dates will get changed as well. Even the FDA has already said it will be looking for ways to reduce this impact—such as letting manufacturers file one PMTA for multiple flavors, etc. I expect this to get even further diluted as the push back and lawsuits rumble.
3) How many years/decades did it take for patches and gum to be reclassified from prescription to OTC status? That is how long it takes the FDA to "accomplish" things.
4) Please explain how, given the manpower they have, that the FDA is going to be able to process a piece of submitted paper for every single "part" of every single piece of vaping hardware out there....let alone for ejuices? It will take........years/decades.
Some of you actually think they *want* to do all that work. They don't.
5) Some of you don't seem to understand that many billionaires and millionaires are operating in this market. (That aren't BT). Competition in so many markets and it's very......... cutthroat.
6) Given that the rest of the real-world supply chain isn't even in the US:
Now on top of FDA manpower, you're tellling me US Customs and the USPS, FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. is going to add personnel to their organizations, as well as forms and paperwork....... just to dedicate themselves to vapers and vaping?
You are talking gearing up by 5+ different organizations just to address something only 10% of the population engages in. Talk about not understanding how money and staffing works.
7) Even TPD affected - vapers in Australia, etc. are using Fasttech and the other China vendors just fine. Even in places where nicotine is said to be illegal most all of them allow "nicotine for personal use".
As for price increases and taxes.....Remember when they kept raising the prices of cigarettes? The FDA regulates cigarettes and tobacco products. Some people quit because they didn't want to pay it..........but most didn't. Regulation didn't make cigarettes unavailable.
Vaping stuff has always had a mark up of about 200-400% , eliquid has been more than that. I can make 30ml for $1.25 or less.....and some vendors are charging $28. You do the math. People still bought. And will continue to buy.
(the eliquid market is so over-saturated now, you could do away with a few thousand flavors and nobody would even notice). The new thing that they are cashing in on now, in the real world supply chain, is DIY supplies. Nobody needs or wants 200,000 vendor eliquids.
An industry with a projected $20 billion of sales ripe for the plucking, you guys think it is going to just "go away"? Nobody is gonna walk away from that table, and Big Tobacco already knows they aren't going to be the only major player (because they already have figures on their products and sales figures and they know that their cigalikes aren't outselling chinese stuff). This idea that the vaping industry will be 'handed to them' is malarky......they don't WANT to concentrate in a market with products that won't sell and won't make them any money.....they are making 100X that much on cigarettes. Yes, they will get a piece of vaping but they can't *deliver* and they know that, so they are not going to set themselves up for putting all their eggs into a failed market venture.
7) The FDA just wants to cover its ..... It has to show it is somehow "protecting" health, esp of children. They will show they are doing their job with age restrictions, online age verification, batch numbers, lot numbers, and ingredient labels (OTC risk-benefit is a big plus in their eyes, and I agree). It will be many decades before any definitive studies can show vaping is as dangerous as cigarettes (not to mention those studies will never prove that anyway.)
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what you all are seeing.
Between now and October, maybe a few months into 2017, things will be a little rough. Then, stuff will start to happen. Most everything right now is *temporary* and all people do is keep reading regulations w/out even considering the actual MANPOWER it would take to accomplish it "as it stands now". They will also be battling lawsuits, etc.
I may not be right. I guess I will bookmark this post and revisit it in August of 2018.
Interesting take on things. I agree with most of what you say and most of us bought stuff mainly to avoid the huge tax increase that is sure to come.
I don't, however, agree that the 'FDA just wants to cover their ....'. My experience working with a gov agency for almost 20 years is to always follow the money. Gov agencies could care less about lawsuits etc because it isn't their money. Taxpayers foot the bill.
I think of it like laws against speeding: does it stop all speeders? No, might deter some. Do they hire a boatload more officers to patrol and catch all the speeders? No but they sure like the money they get from the ones they do catch.
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