Are you done stocking up?

[Opinionated]

What I would worry about is how serious are they going to make the enforcement in the future - will devices be allowed for sale in the future without potential ramifications... Opinions???

This is my opinion, but from what I'm seeing here, BT and the pharmaceutical industry is running this show. So, how much enforcement and just how much regulation we end up with, is entirely dependent upon their contributions..

The pharmaceutical industry now offers prescription vape pens, and how much BT wants in (wholly closed systems and highly proprietary components and liquid I figure) is going to be the basic limit of what will be approved.

I think they are planning on contributing enough to the crooked politicians that enforcement will be strict..

This is the future I see, and predict. The black market will however, open up for people like us. The kid's are making 3d printer versions already, the Chinese will make flashlights with 510 threads and removable parts, and sell tanks and coils to us under various names and auspices but safety at that point will be out the window for those who want to continue to vape in the manner that we are now accustomed.. But it will be illegal. (But then heck, moonshining is illegal to this day and doesn't stop people..And safety is always a matter of knowing who your buying from)

Where we go from there, is anyone's guess. But that is what I think will happen.. And who is running the show.

But I see a day where people will decide between doing as they please and not letting the government dictate life to them and risk the occasional stint in jail, or complying. There are always going to be those non compliant types around. People still go to jail over shine, I don't see the vaping industry as any different.

Someday it will be a matter of taste and also finance which route you take, but in the immediate future it will not be easy.

 

[rosesense]

Does anyone have the Nebox? If so, can you tell me how small the deck is if I had to rebuild?

 

[J.d. Roberts]

All jokes aside - there are individuals vaping up to 30ml a day - so why not for them...

I'm usually at around 15ml a day max, on good juice (delicious), dripping, morning to night.
Even less on average or bulk juice.

 

[kross8]

Does anyone have the Nebox? If so, can you tell me how small the deck is if I had to rebuild?

I have 2,,the topboxes and the nebox can use the same rba.. the deck is small,, especially since i have moved over to Griffin & Avocado. The Nebox is a good little unit if you are on a roadtrip and dont want to mess with refilling on the road.

kangertech rba - Google Search

 

[J.d. Roberts]

I absolutely cannot vouch for the quality or performance, but the Vapros mod sure is pretty Jade Stone Mod by Vapros | 80w Jade Style Mod for $44.99 on sale
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Those are beautiful. I'll check into those, do you happen to know what kind of chipset they use? It doesn't say on the site. But def not a bad price for a jade stone mod for $44.99. Thanks for posting.

 

[BreSha6869]

I have 2,,the topboxes and the nebox can use the same rba.. the deck is small,, especially since i have moved over to Griffin & Avocado. The Nebox is a good little unit if you are on a roadtrip and dont want to mess with refilling on the road.

kangertech rba - Google Search

This RBA is my absolute favourite and I usually have two Subtank Minis going at any given time with 0.4-0.5ohm coils.

I have a bunch of other tanks with RBAs and some are garbage (most Aspire) and others really easy to use (Kanger and Crown).

I will be using Kanger RBAs for many years in any case. I have a bunch of authentics and a few clones as well.

 

[Semiretired]

My crystal ball has shut down due to an overload of uncertainty.

Yea, I don't know why those things are so hard to keep in working order.

After all, they don't expect there to be much of a black market caused by the deeming rule.

But then there are people that are thinking about making a large investment now for an even larger profit later on!!!

 

[Haktuspit]

This RBA is my absolute favourite and I usually have two Subtank Minis going at any given time with 0.4-0.5ohm coils.

I have a bunch of other tanks with RBAs and some are garbage (most Aspire) and others really easy to use (Kanger and Crown).

I will be using Kanger RBAs for many years in any case. I have a bunch of authentics and a few clones as well.

Ugh how do you get these things to wick? I had one going good a couple weeks back, haven't been able to duplicate it since. Think next time I'm going to use even thinner cotton, I'm already taking the outer layers off, might have to pull some more cotton with the next one.

Also, what do you guys do for used coils what you want to rewick? My Griffin coil was good and I want to re-use it but it does have some gunk on it so I'm not sure that I should. Seen the dry burning vs no dry burning and don't really know what to do.

 

[bnrkwest]

It could be our old vape stuff would fall under tobacco memorabilia. Remember those Joe Cool lighters and items that were illegal to sell anymore because kids liked Joe Cool? You can still find them on Ebay under tobacco memorabilia.

 

[Haktuspit]

Does anyone have the Nebox? If so, can you tell me how small the deck is if I had to rebuild?

Someone already told you same RBA as STM/Toptank. But I'd like to remind you to leave this thing on it's side, and find some kind of gasket to put in between the RBA and the stem.

 

[rosesense]

Thanks, all. I did find a really good vid for rebuilding so I think I will get one. I love the 10ml tank idea and that you can use coils or rebuild. 19.99 sounds like a good deal.

This juice is a cute take on politics:

Hillary Clin-tart by Liquid Debate
30ml Glass Bottle

The career politician with years of experience enters the ring with a classic Linzer tart. Raspberry jam between homemade cookies sprinkled with powdered sugar.

Names, characters, places, events and incidents are either the products of the manufacturer's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.

 

[BreSha6869]

Ugh how do you get these things to wick? I had one going good a couple weeks back, haven't been able to duplicate it since. Think next time I'm going to use even thinner cotton, I'm already taking the outer layers off, might have to pull some more cotton with the next one.

Also, what do you guys do for used coils what you want to rewick? My Griffin coil was good and I want to re-use it but it does have some gunk on it so I'm not sure that I should. Seen the dry burning vs no dry burning and don't really know what to do.

I use rayon and put as big a piece thru the coil as I can. Then cut the ends leaving about a 1/2". Put the RBA tube back on and push the rayon/cotton to the bottom of the RBA, wet the coil a bit and put tank together and fill. Easy.

Because the deck is small and you can't use gigantic fancy coils, I am careful when removing the rayon. I cut the wick flush to the coil on one side and pull/twist it out from the other side. Then I fire the coil a few times, run under water and repeat 3-4 times.

I usually get 3-4 weeks out of a wick and have had coils last 6 months or more.

 

[rosesense]

Someone already told you same RBA as STM/Toptank. But I'd like to remind you to leave this thing on it's side, and find some kind of gasket to put in between the RBA and the stem.

So it leaks unlike the Subox mini/tank? I have not heard of the mini leaking so just wondering before I hit the buy button.

 

[Rickb119]

Are you talking about TFA RY4 Double? Might have to give that a try as I transition myself into DIY, if I come up with a decent RY4 that's all I need in life. Should I be concerned about getting flavoring because of deeming as a tobacco flavor user? Seen it brought up once or twice but never really gone over.

Just updated my savings spreadsheet, put in the days, went from $4,500 saved to $5,500, put in the items, went from $5,500 to $4,500. This is probably the first time I haven't saved money during any time period since I first began vaping, and all I did was break even for a few months during a massive stockup.

Watching you guys count up your mods/tanks makes me feel so behind, but I'm sticking to my strategy that devices aren't priority right now. If I'm to ever keep up with all this wild life and have any nic left for myself I better just keep ordering the stuff.

I started my DIY journey with this recipe from this thread. RWhy4 - My new all day vape!

Here's another one using TFA RY4D. Scutch - RWhy4 Reloaded

I make mine now using 4-5% Hangsen Red USA, 2% FA caramel and 1% TFA vanilla swirl.

Both Hangsen and FA require less % to get good flavor as compared to TFA. Not knocking TFA, I just prefer the former.

 

[Haktuspit]

So it leaks unlike the Subox mini/tank? My mini has never leaked so just wondering before I hit the buy button.

I haven't had it leak really since the first night I got it, filled it to the top with a new coil, and left it standing up. All that pressure on it all night will make it leak. If you leave it on it's side, it probably won't ever leak unless nearly out of juice, and by that point you're probably trying to empty it and almost or at the bottom of the juice holes anyways.

It's worth $20 easy if you don't mind leaving it on it's side. I like having an extra o-ring/gasket in there no matter what but I'm not sure that it's actually necessary.

 

[rosesense]

I haven't had it leak really since the first night I got it, filled it to the top with a new coil, and left it standing up. All that pressure on it all night will make it leak. If you leave it on it's side, it probably won't ever leak unless nearly out of juice, and by that point you're probably trying to empty it and almost or at the bottom of the juice holes anyways.

It's worth $20 easy if you don't mind leaving it on it's side. I like having an extra o-ring/gasket in there no matter what but I'm not sure that it's actually necessary.

Thanks for the help. My naughties and others sometimes leak so not too big of a deal but it looks like it would be harder to clean the nebox if it leaks and that worries me a little. Since this would be for out n about, it would sit up in the cupholder and I sure don't want a big mess in my car. Now I can't decide whether to just pass on it. Hmmm...

 

[DingerCPA]

Are you talking about TFA RY4 Double? Might have to give that a try as I transition myself into DIY, if I come up with a decent RY4 that's all I need in life. Should I be concerned about getting flavoring because of deeming as a tobacco flavor user? Seen it brought up once or twice but never really gone over.

Just updated my savings spreadsheet, put in the days, went from $4,500 saved to $5,500, put in the items, went from $5,500 to $4,500. This is probably the first time I haven't saved money during any time period since I first began vaping, and all I did was break even for a few months during a massive stockup.

Watching you guys count up your mods/tanks makes me feel so behind, but I'm sticking to my strategy that devices aren't priority right now. If I'm to ever keep up with all this wild life and have any nic left for myself I better just keep ordering the stuff.

I have a couple of RY4 Double recipes that I really like (at least that come to mind initially ) One is a Halo Tribeca clone. Can't say I've ever had real Tribeca, but I like how this stuff tastes:

All TFA flavorings
RY4D - 12.5%
Graham Cracker - 2.5%
Acetyl Pyrazine - 2%
Ethyl Maltol - 3%

Another is a Peanut Brittle (I loves me some Peanut Butter flavorings.)

All TFA
RY4 Double - 6%
Peanut Butter - 6%
Sweetener - 1%

Ugh how do you get these things to wick? I had one going good a couple weeks back, haven't been able to duplicate it since. Think next time I'm going to use even thinner cotton, I'm already taking the outer layers off, might have to pull some more cotton with the next one.

Also, what do you guys do for used coils what you want to rewick? My Griffin coil was good and I want to re-use it but it does have some gunk on it so I'm not sure that I should. Seen the dry burning vs no dry burning and don't really know what to do.

With cotton, I try to keep it just snug, but loosely compressed. Cotton will expand a bit when it gets wet. Rayon, I'll compact it and use 2-3X as much as I would cotton.

I'll dry-burn kanthal and nichrome. I'll "heat-up" SS, but not let it glow much at all. If you have a really fine brush, let the coil cool just a bit, and then brush over it. That will help knock some of the gunk.

I won't dry-burn Ni200 or Titanium.

I can keep a coil running for a few months this way (but I usually get bored with it before I am forced to rebuild )

 

[Rickb119]

So it leaks unlike the Subox mini/tank? I have not heard of the mini leaking so just wondering before I hit the buy button.

The STM "may" leak, a little.

I keep the ones I'm not using, on their side, on a paper towel. Once in a while I'll notice that "one" has leaked out a little. All have the RBA and I believe it's the amount of wicking that prevents them from leaking.
IOW, jam as much in there as you can without covering the coil, too much. That would restrict the airflow.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Around here I was spending ~$200 a month on smoking. While it is debatable if I've actually saved any money the end results are much clearer.

All smoking left me with was a bunch of stinky stuff (myself included), ashes and a pile of trash.

Vaping has left me mounds of still usable stuff and a few empty VG and nicotine containers.​

 

[bnrkwest]

If anyone wants to share a Dark Ages of Vape Fav recipe, feel free, it may help someone new to DIY. This is an everyday fav of mine.